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Quote:Who knows. It makes no sense though and I stand by my prior comment which a preceding poster apparently took exception with.

 

It's called linguistics, and it's the thing that separates people from animals. Language is the ability to effectively, accurately, and concisely relay thought. Without that, people are no better off intellectually than a common animal. The preceding poster may be comfortable with that level of challenge in his life, but for him to argue that it is not indeed dumbing down people is pure folly. He would be better served to go grab a banana and hang out with some primates.
I bet you are the life of parties.
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It's called linguistics, and it's the thing that separates people from animals.
You mean it's not the opposable thumbs?
Quote:Whatever you say. I won't try to teach intellect. If you don't understand already, it's on you.


Too late, you already taught me so much. Like the dumbing down of America because of phrases like rocket surgery. It was a fantastic example of our society as a whole crumbling before our eyes. I mean really, rocket surgery? What's next?
Quote:Who knows. It makes no sense though and I stand by my prior comment which a preceding poster apparently took exception with.


It's called linguistics, and it's the thing that separates people from animals. Language is the ability to effectively, accurately, and concisely relay thought. Without that, people are no better off intellectually than a common animal. The preceding poster may be comfortable with that level of challenge in his life, but for him to argue that it is not indeed dumbing down people is pure folly. He would be better served to go grab a banana and hang out with some primates.


I said it was a great example. Hey, I thought you were done teaching.
just for the record, I agree that the "dumbing" down of America, really needs to stop, but I really don't see an issue with using a mixed up term instead of rocket science or brain surgery when it is used in jest.

 

anyway, bortles will start when the team decides he should start. Whether its game one or game 16, it'll happen when the team feels comfortable with him running the offense and they feel like it will be good for the longevity of his career.

Quote:Who knows. It makes no sense though and I stand by my prior comment which a preceding poster apparently took exception with.

 

It's called linguistics, and it's the thing that separates people from animals. Language is the ability to effectively, accurately, and concisely relay thought. Without that, people are no better off intellectually than a common animal. The preceding poster may be comfortable with that level of challenge in his life, but for him to argue that it is not indeed dumbing down people is pure folly. He would be better served to go grab a banana and hang out with some primates.
 

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Maybe that's a sign of the dumbing down of America - I wouldn't know.

 

It's pretty obvious to most people that 'rocket surgery' is a deliberate play on words that combines 'rocket science' and 'brain surgery'. It dates back to at least 1994, where it's used in a short story written by someone apparently working at Intel (one of the places they probably are qualified for rocket surgery...) and in an article in the New York Times.

 

It's a form of linguistic wordplay that requires you to understand the rules to break them. It's not dumbing down.
Quote:A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Maybe that's a sign of the dumbing down of America - I wouldn't know.


It's pretty obvious to most people that 'rocket surgery' is a deliberate play on words that combines 'rocket science' and 'brain surgery'. It dates back to at least 1994, where it's used in a short story written by someone apparently working at Intel (one of the places they probably are qualified for rocket surgery...) and in an article in the New York Times.


It's a form of linguistic wordplay that requires you to understand the rules to break them. It's not dumbing down.
Hey Dakota, now this guy is actually teaching over here. You should take note.


I think there is a little irony here.
Quote:Henne Given Sunday
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Quote:Hey Dakota, now this guy is actually teaching over here. You should take note.


I think there is a little irony here.
 

he will probably enjoy that over some tea and strumpets.
Quote:I don't think anyone is saying it can't happen, but that it's unlikely at this point.
 

Yes, yes they are.  Unlikely? Ok.  Possible? Yes.  Why is it possible?  Because there will be some form of competition.

Quote:It's stupidity. Just something to "slang out" the English language. The dumbing down of America continues.......
 

It's comedy, not stupidity.  Lighten up.
It's like the saying "Does the Pope [BLEEP] in the woods?"

 

...which I both use and find hilarious.

Quote:You equate being ready to being better than Henne.  The two are not linked. 

 
There it is.

 

Being better than Henne, in itself, is not the same as being ready to be a full time starting QB in the NFL, even if it means he is the best QB on the team.

 

His physical tools can be such that he is a better QB than Henne now.

 

But without refinement of his mechanics, without reps in the offense, without knowing how to study and discern coaches tape at the level of an accomplished NFL passer, etc., he won't be effective.  He won't make the players around him effective.  In fact, he will make them less effective than they otherwise might be.  He, and the team, will end up being unsuccessful.  The fans may turn on him, and then we're back to square one.

 

My other concern about rushing in Bortles rests with the offensive line.  If you put him in before the offensive line has had a chance to gel, you could subject him to hits he may not otherwise take behind a more cohesive unit.  You could subject him to injury that may preclude him from ever realizing the potential the team saw in him to make him the 3rd overall pick, and leaving the team looking for another franchise QB in 2-3 years (see Cook, Greg).  Let Henne take the pounding behind the OL until they have the necessary cohesion to protect whomever is behind center.

 

I do not assert that Henne is anything other than a liability at QB in the overall scheme of things.  But for Bortles' development, his protection, and for the good of the team, his insertion into the starting line up should not be rushed.
Quote:There it is.

 

Being better than Henne, in itself, is not the same as being ready to be a full time starting QB in the NFL, even if it means he is the best QB on the team.

 

His physical tools can be such that he is a better QB than Henne now.

 

But without refinement of his mechanics, without reps in the offense, without knowing how to study and discern coaches tape at the level of an accomplished NFL passer, etc., he won't be effective.  He won't make the players around him effective.  In fact, he will make them less effective than they otherwise might be.  He, and the team, will end up being unsuccessful.  The fans may turn on him, and then we're back to square one.

 

My other concern about rushing in Bortles rests with the offensive line.  If you put him in before the offensive line has had a chance to gel, you could subject him to hits he may not otherwise take behind a more cohesive unit.  You could subject him to injury that may preclude him from ever realizing the potential the team saw in him to make him the 3rd overall pick, and leaving the team looking for another franchise QB in 2-3 years (see Cook, Greg).  Let Henne take the pounding behind the OL until they have the necessary cohesion to protect whomever is behind center.

 

I do not assert that Henne is anything other than a liability at QB in the overall scheme of things.  But for Bortles' development, his protection, and for the good of the team, his insertion into the starting line up should not be rushed.
 

Thank you!
Most of us are in agreement now regarding taking it slow with Bortles....I remember I was in favor of using this same strategy with Gabbert as well, and it seemed like back then when I suggested it, it was met with strife from many. 

 

I guess having seen the results of throwing Gabbert out there before he was ready kinda was shot of reality for some. 

Quote:A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Maybe that's a sign of the dumbing down of America - I wouldn't know.


It's pretty obvious to most people that 'rocket surgery' is a deliberate play on words that combines 'rocket science' and 'brain surgery'. It dates back to at least 1994, where it's used in a short story written by someone apparently working at Intel (one of the places they probably are qualified for rocket surgery...) and in an article in the New York Times.


It's a form of linguistic wordplay that requires you to understand the rules to break them. It's not dumbing down.


So now your telling me Im 20 years behind the slang!!!??
The coaches at Detroit are all trying to rework Matthew Stafford's footwork.... ..

 

 

 

Quote:Lions offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi said that quarterbacks coach Jim Bob Cooter has worked “a lot” with Stafford this off-season on footwork and progression drills.
 

“Like most quarterbacks, when his feet are right, the passes are usually right,” Lombardi said. “As he gets comfortable with the progressions and the timing, so much of it is dependent on the timing of the routes and where (his) feet should be, and he’s still learning a little bit of that, but he’s grasping it pretty quickly.”Stafford’s mechanics have come under increased scrutiny as his passing numbers have slipped in recent years, and experts pointed to sloppy footwork as a primary reason.
 

5 seasons into his career, a new coaching staff is now having to fix  flaws in their former #1 pick in the draft QB that has prevented him from having the accuracy needed to reach a higher tier.  All because they just HAD to get him on the field as soon as possible as a rookie.    What a waste.    And what do the Lions have to show for all that impatience and haste?   How many titles did they win by rushing Stafford on the field?    

 

And Stafford as a rookie was well ahead of where Bortles currently is.   Stafford played in perhaps the #1 High School Program in the country and started as a true freshman QB in Mark Richt's pro style offense.    Bortles split time between baseball and played in a triple wing option offense in high school, and only played 2 years as a starter in college under a pistol option themed offense. 

Quote:Most of us are in agreement now regarding taking it slow with Bortles....I remember I was in favor of using this same strategy with Gabbert as well, and it seemed like back then when I suggested it, it was met with strife from many. 

 

I guess having seen the results of throwing Gabbert out there before he was ready kinda was shot of reality for some. 
 

I disagree.  I think most people were of the same mindset at the time, so you can hold off on patting yourself on the back for being so far ahead of the curve.

 

Most anyone who saw him play in the preseason felt he had a lot of areas that required attention.  When Garrard was cut, nobody was clamoring for Gabbert to take over as the starter.  It was only after McCown really stunk it up that the decision was made to make the switch, and it wasn't an overwhelmingly popular decision.  People recognized at the time that Gabbert was a young QB coming out of the draft.  Wasn't he 20?  Way too young to be thrust into the position he was, but we had a head coach who was circling the drain looking for anything he thought might salvage his job. 
Oh, and the whole "rocket surgery" thing?

 

It is a clever bit of word play that's been around for long enough to become an appliance commercial

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