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That's true. Around here the college mentality prevails that a 30 point win must be the norm of a good team.

 

Some people won't ever acknowledge this fact either, because they are just so ingrained that college translates to NFL almost equally. That's why it's smart to let Blake learn with training wheels first then put him on the bike.  You can bring him in late in games that are already decided for live experience without the pressure.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

Quote:The "plan" is to sit him a full 16 games.  That is not the reality.  It just means if he doesn't start a game the entire season, nobody freak out.

I agree, we don't know the future and plans change. I won't spaz if Blake relieves Chad or plays a second half later in the season.

That would mean that Dave and Gus are growing comfortable with his skills and progression.

Many of us recognize that, including you and I, however the few that are opposed  have failed or refuse to acknowledge

what has been said from the first presser forward and now regurtitated by Schefter, probably running out of Johnny news. :whistling:

 

 

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Quote:I agree, we don't know the future and plans change. I won't spaz if Blake relieves Chad or plays a second half later in the season.

That would mean that Dave and Gus are growing comfortable with his skills and progression.

Many of us recognize that, including you and I, however the few that are opposed  have failed or refuse to acknowledge

what has been said from the first presser forward and now regurtitated by Schefter, probably running out of Johnny news. :whistling:

 

 

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Thank you! I've noticed the op has pulled a hit and run, now that the replies in here are starting to make sense.

I don't care what anyone else think.  I'm sticking to my gut instinct.  The league has changed now, especially for young QBs.  There are certain expectations for a QB taken in the top 5, meaning they will have to be good enough to be day 1 starter.  Christian Ponder can sit his entire rookie year and the Vikes will still be where they are right now.  Gabbert can sit behind Manning for 3 years, and he'll still be Gabbert.  Locker sat out his entire rookie year behind a legitimate veteran in Matt Hasselbeck, and he still suck.  Basically, if a QB can play at the NFL level, he will stand out and the fans will surely see it, even if the team doesn't win right away.

 

Chad Henne is not on the same level as Schaub, Cassel, or Hassellbeck and is at the bottom 5 of the league as a starter.  He is simply NOT NFL starter material; he's a backup.  If Blake Bortles, whom the team passed up Watkins and Mack to get him at #3 overall, cannot decisively beat out Henne for the job this season, then that is a major red flag.  Basically, Bradley and Caldwell are gambling their job on his potential rather than being a sure thing.

 

Bottom line is this: Bortles HAS to beat out Henne and be a day 1 starter.

Quote:I don't care what anyone else think.  I'm sticking to my gut instinct.  The league has changed now, especially for young QBs.  There are certain expectations for a QB taken in the top 5, meaning they will have to be good enough to be day 1 starter.  Christian Ponder can sit his entire rookie year and the Vikes will still be where they are right now.  Gabbert can sit behind Manning for 3 years, and he'll still be Gabbert.  Locker sat out his entire rookie year behind a legitimate veteran in Matt Hasselbeck, and he still suck.  Basically, if a QB can play at the NFL level, he will stand out and the fans will surely see it, even if the team doesn't win right away.

 

Chad Henne is not on the same level as Schaub, Cassel, or Hassellbeck and is at the bottom 5 of the league as a starter.  He is simply NOT NFL starter material; he's a backup.  If Blake Bortles, whom the team passed up Watkins and Mack to get him at #3 overall, cannot decisively beat out Henne for the job this season, then that is a major red flag.  Basically, Bradley and Caldwell are gambling their job on his potential rather than being a sure thing.

 

Bottom line is this: Bortles HAS to beat out Henne and be a day 1 starter.

 

lol.....impatient little kid

Didn't Gabbert beat Henne out for the qb job last season? I most definitely expect Bortles to do the same...

Quote:lol.....impatient little kid

It's called expectations of a top 5 pick, not impatient.  Wouldn't you be worried if your potential QB of the future can't beat out Chad Henne?

Quote:Didn't Gabbert beat Henne out for the qb job last season? I most definitely expect Bortles to do the same...

I dont know if he ever did.  Badley gave Gabbert priority to start because of his draft status; they tried to see if they can salvage something out of Gabbert. 

Quote:It's called expectations of a top 5 pick, not impatient.  Wouldn't you be worried if your potential QB of the future can't beat out Chad Henne?

 

You don't think McNabb beat out Doug Pederson in his rookie camp in 1999?

Yeah....1999. The game has changed.

Quote:I don't care what anyone else think.  I'm sticking to my gut instinct.  The league has changed now, especially for young QBs.  There are certain expectations for a QB taken in the top 5, meaning they will have to be good enough to be day 1 starter.  Christian Ponder can sit his entire rookie year and the Vikes will still be where they are right now.  Gabbert can sit behind Manning for 3 years, and he'll still be Gabbert.  Locker sat out his entire rookie year behind a legitimate veteran in Matt Hasselbeck, and he still suck.  Basically, if a QB can play at the NFL level, he will stand out and the fans will surely see it, even if the team doesn't win right away.

 

Chad Henne is not on the same level as Schaub, Cassel, or Hassellbeck and is at the bottom 5 of the league as a starter.  He is simply NOT NFL starter material; he's a backup.  If Blake Bortles, whom the team passed up Watkins and Mack to get him at #3 overall, cannot decisively beat out Henne for the job this season, then that is a major red flag.  Basically, Bradley and Caldwell are gambling their job on his potential rather than being a sure thing.

 

Bottom line is this: Bortles HAS to beat out Henne and be a day 1 starter.

I agree with most of what you say, to an extent. But the subliminal message is that they are OK even if Bortles isnt ready in 2014. In other words, they feel if Bortles stayed in college another year (and was developed with their own coaching staff), he'd be the top pick in 2015.


While I do expect Bortles to win the job over Henne very early, I'm not worried if he doesn't, because they basically warned us right away when he was drafted.


It's like this, what they said is really the ONLY thing they could have said to put Bortles in a situation that didn't put a lot of pressure on him. If they said its a competition, and Bortles loses the competition, then the pressure is on Bortles as to why he lost the competition (when he was picked so high).


My take is this is definitely a competition in 2014, but they don't want to say it is.

If we're getting killed by double digits every week, Henne is the most sacked QB in the league, receivers are running wrong routes and dropping balls left and right and we have no running game then I'll say, it's a good thing we didn't send Bortles out there to get killed. If we are winning games with Henne, of course I'll be thrilled. However, if Henne is clearly what's holding the team back, and Bortles is still not starting I'll be pretty frustrated.

Quote:I agree with most of what you say, to an extent. But the subliminal message is that they are OK even if Bortles isnt ready in 2014. In other words, they feel if Bortles stayed in college another year (and was developed with their own coaching staff), he'd be the top pick in 2015.
If they took him that high, and all he has to do to be a starter is to beat out Chad fricking Henne, and if he can't or not ready to do that, then I'm getting a lot of flashback of another QB this team reached.



While I do expect Bortles to win the job over Henne very early, I'm not worried if he doesn't, because they basically warned us right away when he was drafted.
If so, then they clearly drafted him based on his measurable and potential, not because he was ready to play.
  Not something I am thrilled with.



It's like this, what they said is really the ONLY thing they could have said to put Bortles in a situation that didn't put a lot of pressure on him. If they said its a competition, and Bortles loses the competition, then the pressure is on Bortles as to why he lost the competition (when he was picked so high).


My take is this is definitely a competition in 2014, but they don't want to say it is.

I agree, it is DEFINITELY a competition.  There's no reason why they would sit him if he indeed beat out Henne.  It's not like Bortles is sitting behind a HoF or even a legitimate solid starter.  How much can he really "learn" by sitting behind Henne?  Like I said, it's not about winning record this upcoming season -- that's for 2015.  Bortles doesn't have to put up RG3 or Wilson's rookie statistic, but by him making a couple of key throws, plays or drives every now and then, then you would know for sure he definitely can play in this league.  There's no reason to sit him if he can play.


 

With that said, I fully expect Bortles to win the starting job day 1.  If not, we are going to have buyer's remorse soon. 

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I agree with most of what you say, to an extent. But the subliminal message is that they are OK even if Bortles isnt ready in 2014. In other words, they feel if Bortles stayed in college another year (and was developed with their own coaching staff), he'd be the top pick in 2015.If they took him that high, and all he has to do to be a starter is to beat out Chad fricking Henne, and if he can't or not ready to do that, then I'm getting a lot of flashback of another QB this team reached.



While I do expect Bortles to win the job over Henne very early, I'm not worried if he doesn't, because they basically warned us right away when he was drafted.If so, then they clearly drafted him based on his measurable and potential, not because he was ready to play.
Not something I am thrilled with.



It's like this, what they said is really the ONLY thing they could have said to put Bortles in a situation that didn't put a lot of pressure on him. If they said its a competition, and Bortles loses the competition, then the pressure is on Bortles as to why he lost the competition (when he was picked so high).

My take is this is definitely a competition in 2014, but they don't want to say it is.
I agree, it is DEFINITELY a competition. There's no reason why they would sit him if he indeed beat out Henne. It's not like Bortles is sitting behind a HoF or even a legitimate solid starter. How much can he really "learn" by sitting behind Henne? Like I said, it's not about winning record this upcoming season -- that's for 2015. Bortles doesn't have to put up RG3 or Wilson's rookie statistic, but by him making a couple of key throws, plays or drives every now and then, then you would know for sure he definitely can play in this league. There's no reason to sit him if he can play.


With that said, I fully expect Bortles to win the starting job day 1. If not, we are going to have buyer's remorse soon.

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Wow. Really? Buyers remorse if he's not starting day 1? You might as well start now.

Would not be surprising of Bortles starts over Henne. Rookie QB's always seem to start the season. That is the norm these days!

Quote:Wow. Really? Buyers remorse if he's not starting day 1? You might as well start now.

Shouldn't you at least be a bit worry that our QB of the future can't beat out Henne?  I mean, we're not talking about Schaub, Hasselbeck, Palmer, or even Cassel.  It's Chad Frickin Henne...

If we start the season 0-2... The fans will be chanting for Bortles...

You can really tell who has watched football for decades and who has taken a liking to it over the past 3-4

Quote:Shouldn't you at least be a bit worry that our QB of the future can't beat out Henne?  I mean, we're not talking about Schaub, Hasselbeck, Palmer, or even Cassel.  It's Chad Frickin Henne...

 

Quote:I don't care what anyone else think.  I'm sticking to my gut instinct.  The league has changed now, especially for young QBs.  There are certain expectations for a QB taken in the top 5, meaning they will have to be good enough to be day 1 starter.  Christian Ponder can sit his entire rookie year and the Vikes will still be where they are right now.  Gabbert can sit behind Manning for 3 years, and he'll still be Gabbert.  Locker sat out his entire rookie year behind a legitimate veteran in Matt Hasselbeck, and he still suck.  Basically, if a QB can play at the NFL level, he will stand out and the fans will surely see it, even if the team doesn't win right away.

 

Chad Henne is not on the same level as Schaub, Cassel, or Hassellbeck and is at the bottom 5 of the league as a starter.  He is simply NOT NFL starter material; he's a backup.  If Blake Bortles, whom the team passed up Watkins and Mack to get him at #3 overall, cannot decisively beat out Henne for the job this season, then that is a major red flag.  Basically, Bradley and Caldwell are gambling their job on his potential rather than being a sure thing.

 

 

To what draft choice does this NOT apply?

 

What draft choice is not made based upon NFL potential?

Quote:Shouldn't you at least be a bit worry that our QB of the future can't beat out Henne?  I mean, we're not talking about Schaub, Hasselbeck, Palmer, or even Cassel.  It's Chad Frickin Henne...

He won't beat him out, because they're not competing. BTW, Jake Locker was tearing it up last year before he got hurt again! May want to have the facts straight before you post.