Quote:Locker doesn't scare anyone. 3,200 and 21/9 is not "good", especially fora third year player. Being healthy is part of the job description, and he can't seem to stay healthy for more than 3 straight games. Even when he was healthy, he was just decent at least -- a far cry from "tearing it up". He will be one and done in Tenn.
I could see the Texans maybe make a play for Locker next offseason.
Quote:I could see the Texans maybe make a play for Locker next offseason.
If they need a QB next offseason, they should be making a play for one of the top QBs in the draft. Not picking over someone else's hot garbage.
Quote:If they need a QB next offseason, they should be making a play for one of the top QBs in the draft. Not picking over someone else's hot garbage.
Agreed.
There will be some quality in the draft next year for them to pick from. They'll probably draft a linebacker instead.
Quote:To what draft choice does this NOT apply?
What draft choice is not made based upon NFL potential?
They passed up on two blue chip players who can play right away. If they want to invest in a QB that high, the QB has to at least has an equal amount of impact (if not better) than the two players they passed up on.
Quote:They passed up on two blue chip players who can play right away. If they want to invest in a QB that high, the QB has to at least has an equal amount of impact (if not better) than the two players they passed up on.
If they got it right with the QB selection, the impact will be far more significant than either blue chip player you're referring to. There's no rush to force him on the field. You disagree. You're not the one running the team. Deal with it.
Quote:It's got nothing to do with beating out Henne. That's the thing you clearly don't grasp. The starting job is Bortles when all parties involved believe he's ready. He has a lot of work that needs to be done in order for that to happen. He's not a plug and play rookie, and he wasn't drafted for his rookie season.
I'm not one bit worried because Bortles is the starting QB for this team for the next several years if he meets expectations. I see zero reason to rush him out there. This is another point you're struggling to understand.
So you're saying they drafted another Gabbert? No, Bortles is not drafted for his rookie season. However, I fully expect someone who is drafted 3rd overall to at least beat out the WORST starting QB in the league. If he can't even do that, shouldn't I at least worry about his potential?
Quote:So you're saying they drafted another Gabbert? No, Bortles is not drafted for his rookie season. However, I fully expect someone who is drafted 3rd overall to at least beat out the WORST starting QB in the league. If he can't even do that, shouldn't I at least worry about his potential?
Have you ever had an xray of your skull? I'm convinced it's at least twice as thick as the normal human being.
Where did I reference Gabbert?
To be quite honest, I couldn't care less what YOUR expectations are. Fortunately, neither do Gus and Dave, the guys who actually make the decisions. You'll just have to pout.
The thing you clearly fail to grasp here is that there ISN'T a competition to win for the QBs. The job is Bortles when it is determined by people far smarter and far better informed than you or I that he is ready to go. He's not competing with anyone. Henne is a seat warmer for the 2014 season. He knows it. Bortles knows it. Gus knows it. Dave knows it. Anyone with ears that work and a brain to interpret what they're saying knows this. You are the exception.
Quote:They passed up on two blue chip players who can play right away. If they want to invest in a QB that high, the QB has to at least has an equal amount of impact (if not better) than the two players they passed up on.
That's not quite how the draft works. The draft is about how you project a player to turn out not if a player can play from day one. That's how you end up with Derrick Harvey and Quinton Groves on your team. This whole expectation of a top 5 playing from day one is a media creation and the high guaranteed contracts these players rookies got years ago. They no longer are being paid like to 10 players at their positions so those expectations are not as high anymore.
Times have changed. It's that simple.
Quote:Locker doesn't scare anyone. 3,200 and 21/9 is not "good", especially fora third year player. Being healthy is part of the job description, and he can't seem to stay healthy for more than 3 straight games. Even when he was healthy, he was just decent at least -- a far cry from "tearing it up". He will be one and done in Tenn.
First off, I hate Jake Locker! However I was trying to make a point against your lame agenda, so I guess I'll add the near 500 rushing yards he was on pace for as well?
Quote:So you're saying they drafted another Gabbert? No, Bortles is not drafted for his rookie season. However, I fully expect someone who is drafted 3rd overall to at least beat out the WORST starting QB in the league. If he can't even do that, shouldn't I at least worry about his potential?
You need to get out of the basement, and get some sun every now and then. You're proving looking at a screen in the dark all day plays games with a persons thought process.
Quote:So you're saying they drafted another Gabbert? No, Bortles is not drafted for his rookie season. However, I fully expect someone who is drafted 3rd overall to at least beat out the WORST starting QB in the league. If he can't even do that, shouldn't I at least worry about his potential?
First of all, I would argue that Chad Henne is not the "worst" QB in the league. He might not be a star and not be anything special, but he is good enough to be starting for an NFL team, and would be a good backup for just about any team.
Second, I would put Henne up against ANY rookie quarterback coming into the league. The transition from college football to the NFL is huge, and even though a player may have been good in college, it doesn't always translate to the NFL level. Take a look at the beloved Tim Tebow. Despite being a good athlete and a great college player, he's not on any NFL roster even as a practice player.
Finally, Blake doesn't have to "beat out" anybody. His future is right in front of him, and it's just a matter of time before he is under center for the team. I'll even go out there and say that he can't beat Chad Henne for the starting job, even if it was a competition. Henne is a veteran and has actually played NFL football. Blake is tasked with learning from him and developing.
Quote:First off, I hate Jake Locker! However I was trying to make a point against your lame agenda, so I guess I'll add the near 500 rushing yards he was on pace for as well?
He still sucks. On pace and actual results are two different thing.
I guess I'm just the minority here. But I guess it wrong for me to expect a third overall pick to beat out AND start over a seat warmer. But that's just me.
If this regime was in charge when Gabbert was drafted we may not have needed another QB this soon. Gabbert was a product of coming out early and Del Rio throwing him in before he was ready in an attempt to save his own rear.
Clearly Gus doesn't believe Bortles is ready and prefers he gets all the instructions he can give him before throwing him in the fire. You have to remember, it's not just the QB and his skills that need to be perfected for the team to succeed, it also requires the line, the receivers and the running back, all of which are new too.
Regards....................the Chiefjag
Quote:If this regime was in charge when Gabbert was drafted we may not have needed another QB this soon. Gabbert was a product of coming out early and Del Rio throwing him in before he was ready in an attempt to save his own rear.
Gabbert can't play at the NFL level, period. I wish people just get over that fact. Just as Ponder, Tim Couch, David Carr, Heath Schuler, Art Schliter, and every other failed top picks. It's not just their surroundings; it's the fact that they can't play at the NFL level and augmented by their surroundings that made it looked twice as bad.
If they can play at this level, they'd at least show some potential and wouldn't look like a deer in the highlight. I think Locker sucks, but at least he'd shown enough potential for Wisenhunt to give him one last chance. Ponder and Gabbert sucked and didnt show much potential, if at all, on the field. That's why they are already replaced. Geno sucked last season, but at least he'd shown some potential. If he sucks again this upcoming season, it's because he can't handle the NFL (just like Sanchez) -- not because he was thrown into the fire last season.
That's why I expect Bortles to be the starter this season. I don't expect a lot of wins, but I do expect he would at least look like he belong in the NFL; at least stand out from the crowd by making a couple of key plays and drives throughout the season, something that Gabbert could not do.
Well your expectations are unfounded because Bortles won't be the starter. Sorry.
Regards....................the Cheifjag
Bortles is gonna start first game of the season if he's the best QB
Quote:I guess I'm just the minority here. But I guess it wrong for me to expect a third overall pick to beat out AND start over a seat warmer. But that's just me.
You just have an outdated mindset.
The need to to put rookies on the field immediately went away with the rookie salary cap.
Teams are no longer under the type of financial pressure to get a quick return on the huge rookie salaries that were being handed out. The rookie salary cap also leaves enough space for teams to afford to sign a veteran player for the rookie to sit behind.
You pointed out how the game has changed since 1999 and it has, but you fail to realize it has also evolved past your sense of conventional wisdom. Patience has become a luxury that can once again be afforded.
Quote:You just have an outdated mindset.
The need to to put rookies on the field immediately went away with the rookie salary cap.
Teams are no longer under the type of financial pressure to get a quick return on the huge rookie salaries that were being handed out. The rookie salary cap also leaves enough space for teams to afford to sign a veteran player for the rookie to sit behind.
You pointed out how the game has changed since 1999 and it has, but you fail to realize it has also evolved past your sense of conventional wisdom. Patience has become a luxury that can once again be afforded.
This is the pure truth. Teams can focus on player development now because they don't have to give a player drafted 3rd overall 50 million guaranteed anymore. Teams can focus on drafting the player and not the position which comes with those lofty expectations.
Sam Bradford had to be played from day one because he was paid like Tom and Peyton were. In 2014 Bortles can sit because he's paid like a bottom third qb. Hugh difference in sitting that type of money on the bench for a year.
Quote:He still sucks. On pace and actual results are two different thing.
OK, so 10 touchdowns in 6 games sucks?