Quote:Don't see it.
This next year is our Dallas 1990 year....i.e. the 7-9 ish type year on the precipice of great things but not there yet.
Don't see why not, our rookies from last year should be much improved, our d line has a ton of nice additions our O line is significantly improved and if our rookie WRs do well we should be set, all depends on the QB
Quote:Don't see it.
This next year is our Dallas 1990 year....i.e. the 7-9 ish type year on the precipice of great things but not there yet.
Very Insightful posts.
The plan to build a sustainable winning team is at least one season away.
Could that timeline slide to the left, anything is at least possible.
But to jump into the win at all costs, gotta start now mode makes me
think that someone has locked their fantasy leagues way to early
or the programmer in Madden for Blakes metrics had one to many redbulls.
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Quote:Don't see why not, our rookies from last year should be much improved, our d line has a ton of nice additions our O line is significantly improved and if our rookie WRs do well we should be set, all depends on the QB
This team is a year away. Everything is geared toward 2015. They should be improved this year, but there are still holes.
The offensive line improvements are not guaranteed to have an immediate impact. The only returning starter played half a game at his starting position. The center position is far from fixed.
Rookie receivers tend to hit a wall at some point. It's less likely they come in and just shred the league as rookies. We're going to be relying on 2 of them at receiver this year. That's not going to be an instant fix.
The list goes on. There are more than enough areas on this team to think we're still a year away. We'll see better play from the team this year, and a record that's at least somewhat improved (.500ish).
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I believe Bortles will play some this year as well. But it likely won't be until the 2nd half of the season.
Barring an injury to Henne that forces Bortles into the lineup prematurely, I believe this to be the case.
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I'd much rather handle the situation like the Eagles did with McNabb.
We have 4 new OL starters this year, as well as many new offensive skill players. Let the offense sort itself out with the veteran Henne under Center for at least the first 8 games, and then re-evaluate at that point.
I had forgotten about McNabb sitting.
I agree with your closing paragraph here completely.
Just throwing in Bortles under those circumstances is setting him and the team up to fail.
Quote:Don't see it.
This next year is our Dallas 1990 year....i.e. the 7-9 ish type year on the precipice of great things but not there yet.
I see this exactly the same way.
It took that Dallas team about half the season to get its bearings, and then started playing well towards the end of the season.
One huge difference: Aikman was in his second year, not his first. Bortles will be in his rookie year.
I think the team's eventual improvement from last year's 4-12 will be due to an improvement in the roster overall.
The real quantum leap-if Bortles is what the team thinks he is-will occur in 2015.
Edit: As I consider that 1990 Dallas team, they had three future Hall of famers on the roster (Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin) and at least four other Pro Bowlers (Stepnoski, Ken Norton Jr, Johnston and Novacek).
They also played in a much stronger division than this year's Jaguars (1990 Giants won the Super Bowl, the Skins won the Super Bowl the next year, and the Eagles had quite possibly...probably...the best defense never to reach a Super Bowl.)
I wonder how many future Hall of Famers/Pro Bowlers are currently on our roster.
Quote:I see this exactly the same way.
It took that Dallas team about half the season to get its bearings, and then started playing well towards the end of the season.
One huge difference: Aikman was in his second year, not his first. Bortles will be in his rookie year.
I think the team's eventual improvement from last year's 4-12 will be due to an improvement in the roster overall.
The real quantum leap-if Bortles is what the team thinks he is-will occur in 2015.
I think most of us are on the same page here.
It'll be interesting to see how many are singing the same tune after a 3 interception performance by Henne.
Quote:I think most of us are on the same page here.
It'll be interesting to see how many are singing the same tune after a 3 interception performance by Henne.
Yup.
There will be a full blown case of "Missionitis"
Gotta do something, anything, gotta win, how can they be so dumb, Start Bortles, Henne @#^%$.
The "Knee-Jerk" is always the strongest reaction followed closely by "Blame Storming"
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Quote:Yes I changed the parameters, so did you, its a discussion.
I changed zero parameters. I responded to somebody's blanket statement. You responded by inserting caveats which were in no way, shape or form mentioned in the post that I responded to.
I agree with letting Bortles sit out at least half the season. That'll give the line time to gel; the receivers time to get into some sort of rhythm and the coaches time to work on his shortcomings, i.e, his footwork and by God, getting him to keep that damn tongue in his mouth when he throws!!
Quote:Don't see why not, our rookies from last year should be much improved, our d line has a ton of nice additions our O line is significantly improved and if our rookie WRs do well we should be set, all depends on the QB
Even if you factor in improvement from the rookies from last year, in order for this team to make the playoffs, it will be heavily dependent upon rookies to make a huge impact. While I am confident this draft class is an excellent one, it may take some time for them to adjust to the NFL game. Furthermore, the OL will have 5 new starters from opening day last year (Joeckel moves from RT last year to LT this year). It's going to take time for them to gel.
Quote:I see this exactly the same way.
It took that Dallas team about half the season to get its bearings, and then started playing well towards the end of the season.
One huge difference: Aikman was in his second year, not his first. Bortles will be in his rookie year.
More the reason, IMO, to "redshirt" Bortles.
The hits he took his rookie season certainly shortened Aikman's career.
It's not as much development, as it is giving him the best opportunity to succeed. Let the primer dry before you paint.
Quote:I changed zero parameters. I responded to somebody's blanket statement. You responded by inserting caveats which were in no way, shape or form mentioned in the post that I responded to.
I see that a lot. Redirects, strawmen, and changing the base topic/argument are all common. Certainly doesn't like to address what you've actually said, but would rather remold it into his little pinata so he can take swings at it.
Quote:If we wait until everything is perfect before putting Bortles in, he'll probably never play a down.
Umm... you're the only one suggesting this. No one else has.
Quote:I see this exactly the same way.
It took that Dallas team about half the season to get its bearings, and then started playing well towards the end of the season.
One huge difference: Aikman was in his second year, not his first. Bortles will be in his rookie year.
I think the team's eventual improvement from last year's 4-12 will be due to an improvement in the roster overall.
The real quantum leap-if Bortles is what the team thinks he is-will occur in 2015.
Edit: As I consider that 1990 Dallas team, they had three future Hall of famers on the roster (Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin) and at least four other Pro Bowlers (Stepnoski, Ken Norton Jr, Johnston and Novacek).
They also played in a much stronger division than this year's Jaguars (1990 Giants won the Super Bowl, the Skins won the Super Bowl the next year, and the Eagles had quite possibly...probably...the best defense never to reach a Super Bowl.)
I wonder how many future Hall of Famers/Pro Bowlers are currently on our roster.
I'll go out on a not so limb and suggest that this draft will produce several at least pro bowl level players. I think at least Joeckel from last years.
While I agree with you about the Aikman timing, its still Gus' second year, and 1990 was Jimmy's 2nd year. I think the comparison rides more about Jimmy's Cowboys/ Gus' Jaguars than Aikman/ Bortles....but I also won't discount that the QB is still a very intregal pice of the puzzle.
Quote:I'll go out on a not so limb and suggest that this draft will produce several at least pro bowl level players. I think at least Joeckel from last years.
While I agree with you about the Aikman timing, its still Gus' second year, and 1990 was Jimmy's 2nd year. I think the comparison rides more about Jimmy's Cowboys/ Gus' Jaguars than Aikman/ Bortles....but I also won't discount that the QB is still a very intregal pice of the puzzle.
I completely agree that Gus having been here a year will help aid in the development of the team on any number of levels. But if you believe the ascent of a team is tied to the ascent of that team's QB, Bortles' development can't be ignored.
I also agree with you about the number of really good players this draft will produce. I think that Bortles, Lee, Robinson, Colvin, and Telvin Smith will all be at or near Pro Bowl caliber at some point during their careers (Colvin if he plays FS).
I hope Joeckel flourishes at LT, and I think if you allowed him to play almost exclusively in the box, Cyprien can be on that level too.
By the way, I watched a couple of those ESPN draft academy shows that featured Bortles and Lee. I came away impressed with both. Bortles appeared well grounded and very competitive, while I think Lee has the mindset to be a big game player.
Quote:I see this exactly the same way.
It took that Dallas team about half the season to get its bearings, and then started playing well towards the end of the season.
One huge difference: Aikman was in his second year, not his first. Bortles will be in his rookie year.
I think the team's eventual improvement from last year's 4-12 will be due to an improvement in the roster overall.
The real quantum leap-if Bortles is what the team thinks he is-will occur in 2015.
Edit: As I consider that 1990 Dallas team, they had three future Hall of famers on the roster (Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin) and at least four other Pro Bowlers (Stepnoski, Ken Norton Jr, Johnston and Novacek).
They also played in a much stronger division than this year's Jaguars (1990 Giants won the Super Bowl, the Skins won the Super Bowl the next year, and the Eagles had quite possibly...probably...the best defense never to reach a Super Bowl.)
I wonder how many future Hall of Famers/Pro Bowlers are currently on our roster.
Don't forget about Larry Allen for HOF. Allen was an absolute monster and that O-line might be the best O-line ever.
I can not wait for this season but I agree with everyone that 2015 (if all things go as planned and thats a big IF) will be the year to watch.
Quote:I completely agree that Gus having been here a year will help aid in the development of the team on any number of levels. But if you believe the ascent of a team is tied to the ascent of that team's QB, Bortles' development can't be ignored.
I also agree with you about the number of really good players this draft will produce. I think that Bortles, Lee, Robinson, Colvin, and Telvin Smith will all be at or near Pro Bowl caliber at some point during their careers (Colvin if he plays FS).
I hope Joeckel flourishes at LT, and I think if you allowed him to play almost exclusively in the box, Cyprien can be on that level too.
By the way, I watched a couple of those ESPN draft academy shows that featured Bortles and Lee. I came away impressed with both. Bortles appeared well grounded and very competitive, while I think Lee has the mindset to be a big game player.
No doubt that Bortles development is key.
I have a good feeling about this years Jags draft. Not that thats a surprise to anyone who's been reading...but I think theres a chance we'll be looking back at that draft in the future as in company of some of the ones that elevated the Bills, 80's Niners, Buddys Eagles, Gibbs Redskins, etc etc
Not only do I see almost every draft choice from this draft being an impact player, (pending health), I also see at least FOUR UDFA's from this year becoming impact players:
CB Rashad Reynolds
S Craig Loston
RB Terrence Cobb
TE Marcel Jensen
and even an outside shot for one of: Copeland or the MIami WR.
Thats 12 or 13 impact players from one "draft"
Quote:Don't forget about Larry Allen for HOF. Allen was an absolute monster and that O-line might be the best O-line ever.
I can not wait for this season but I agree with everyone that 2015 (if all things go as planned and thats a big IF) will be the year to watch.
Allen was not on that 1990 team. Allen did not arrive until 1994.
However, they did have Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei on that team, and they both made Pro Bowls.
Quote:No doubt that Bortles development is key.
I have a good feeling about this years Jags draft. Not that thats a surprise to anyone who's been reading...but I think theres a chance we'll be looking back at that draft in the future as in company of some of the ones that elevated the Bills, 80's Niners, Buddys Eagles, Gibbs Redskins, etc etc
Not only do I see almost every draft choice from this draft being an impact player, (pending health), I also see at least FOUR UDFA's from this year becoming impact players:
CB Rashad Reynolds
S Craig Loston
RB Terrence Cobb
TE Marcel Jensen
and even an outside shot for one of: Copeland or the MIami WR.
I can see three-five UDFAs making the team.
I think Cobb will have a tough time though, as will Reynolds, due to the players there.
I think there is realistically one RB spot available. Robinson makes the team, but I see Todman getting cut. Right now, I'm thinking Storm Johnson makes the squad.
Reynolds will have to beat out Blackmon and/or Ball to make the team.
I can also see the DT out of Cal possibly making it.
I like Copeland, but all of the WRs outside of the top 4 (Lee Shorts, Robinson and Sanders) are competing for one, two spots tops.
I like this draft class-including the UDFAs-but I don't know yet if Jacksonville has all of those future Pro Bowlers/HOF guys that Dallas had at that stage.
They have an easier divisional schedule, and they have the advantage of free agency that Dallas didn't have.
Again though, I think the ascent of the team this year is tied to the offensive line, but from late this year on out, it's tied to Bortles' development.