Quote:The Jags screwed up by jumping at the first low ball offer. They should have allowed a market to build before jumping on any deal. There was 4 weeks left till the deadline.
Let's look back at all the reasons why trading Monroe when we did was the best timing for doing so:
1. Every game played brought him one game closer to the end of his deal, and diminished his value that much more.
2. If you keep playing him, you risk injury, and a torn ACL or broken leg forces you to put him on IR then watch him take a one-year prove-it deal in UFA that nets you a seventh-round compensatory pick (at best).
3. If you don't want to risk injury, you deactivate him. Problem is, doing so telegraphs your intentions and lowers his trade value as a result.
Bottom line, if the Jaguars were going to realize any value from Monroe, whom they'd clearly decided to move on from, a trade at that point was the safest way to do it.
ravens could of signed him for the same deal today. without trading us picks. so the trade doesn't bother me at all. guess they could of tried to squeeze max value by waiting until the trading deadline but I think it was fair for 11 games he played for them. not like we were going anywhere with him for the rest of the year. nor did he do the ravens any good last year.
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Any team that had ideas on keeping Monroe past the "7" games would trade something for that player. You and others keep talking as if the teams were only dealing for Monroe as a rental and thats it. This isn't baseball. No one was trading for Monroe in the "rental" way, anyone who was trading for him was doing so with long term ideas in mind.
Monroe reached free agency you doofus. So it was a rental. Had they signed Monroe to a new deal as soon as he got there, you could have had an argument there. The Ravens still had to sign him and they didn't get a discount. Monroe said so himself. Now, I agree the fact that he played for Baltimore made him more LIKELY to re-sign, but only if the Ravens also paid up, which they did.
The end result for the Jags is actually the same. Monroe's ultimate destination didn't matter at all. It matters to people like you who don't see that Newsome traded for a soon-to-be free agent with the hopes of making the playoffs (and another superbowl push) and failed miserably.
Quote:ravens could of signed him for the same deal today. without trading us picks. so the trade doesn't bother me at all. guess they could of tried to squeeze max value by waiting until the trading deadline but I think it was fair for 11 games he played for them. not like we were going anywhere with him for the rest of the year. nor did he do the ravens any good last year.
I think waiting longer would have gotten us a much smaller deal personally. Contract length/structure/value, besides player talent, is the most important factor when determining trade value.
Quote:The Jags cheated themselves out of more value by taking Baltimores low ball first offer quickly. Veteran Ozzie knew what he was doing and schooled rookie Caldwell.
Rookie Caldwell? The same rookie that just unloaded a turd for a 6th round pick?
Quote:I think waiting longer would have gotten us a much smaller deal personally. Contract length/structure/value, besides player talent, is the most important factor when determining trade value.
trade could of fallen apart completely. we will probably never know how many trades fall apart and are never reported about.
Quote: trade could of fallen apart completely. we will probably never know how many trades fall apart and are never reported about.
Very true. Actually the ravens 4 weeks later would have been further out of the reach for the playoffs than initially expected and would have probably just taken their 4th and 5th rounder and kept it.
Good trade or bad (and I think good); either way, this thread has to be setting a record for Monday morning quarterbacking.
Quote:Rookie Caldwell? The same rookie that just unloaded a turd for a 6th round pick?
Oh c'mon its a nice deal because we all hate Blaine, but this type of trade is not uncommon. There will always be that GM/ coach who thinks they can salvage a bust of a player with a 2nd chance.
As stated before, this deal isn't all that different than our trade for Troy Williamson several years back. Its just in reverse.
Quote:I think waiting longer would have gotten us a much smaller deal personally. Contract length/structure/value, besides player talent, is the most important factor when determining trade value.
Not with more teams like the Dolphins and Steelers becoming OL needy prior to the deadline. That spells "bidding war"
Quote:Not with more teams like the Dolphins and Steelers becoming OL needy prior to the deadline. That spells "bidding war"
lol dude nobody is going into a bidding war for eugene freakin monroe. Pretty good player, but not much else.
He signed for 35m, he's less thought of than Branden Albert and the Oakland LT whose name escapes me now. They both got bigger deals..
We just overrate him because he was ours.
Quote:Not with more teams like the Dolphins and Steelers becoming OL needy prior to the deadline. That spells "bidding war"
And Dolphins and Steelers wouldn't trade anything at the deadline for Monroe because they weren't in playoff contention at that point either.
Let's be real man.
Quote:$37.5 million over 5 years = $7.5 million a year and the 7th highest paid OT in football.
If people think that's not a fair price for Monroe, then I'm lost for words.
I would speculate that the Ravens put more money on the table than anyone else. The Ravens had too much to lose not to offer more than they should.
I was very firmly in the camp of those who thought it was a good move by the Jaguars, but with Monroe signing for what seems like a very reasonable deal, I am less certain of it. I still give the GM the benefit of the doubt, because he's the one who has to come up with a master plan and execute it, but as of now it seems like we could have kept the guy with a reasonable contract, so that's a point in favor of those who say we should not have traded him at all.
with all the FAs we're bringing in, we wouldn't have received any comp draft picks for him, so I guess this worked out well for us, and just OK for the Ravens
Quote:Oh c'mon its a nice deal because we all hate Blaine, but this type of trade is not uncommon. There will always be that GM/ coach who thinks they can salvage a bust of a player with a 2nd chance.
As stated before, this deal isn't all that different than our trade for Troy Williamson several years back. Its just in reverse.
So its common to trade a terrible qb who has shown no promise (should I find numerous posts of you bashing Gabbert) and getting a 6th and a conditional pick for him?
Quote:and we can put this one to bed. The Jags got pennies on the dollar for Monroe. He wasn't a rental in the end.
Yes, we can put it to bed. He was indeed a rental for 2013. Then they had to make a balloon payment in order to keep him.
Otherwise, they could have simply waited until he hit the market - which was happening anyway.
Quote:So its common to trade a terrible qb who has shown no promise (should I find numerous posts of you bashing Gabbert) and getting a 6th and a conditional pick for him?
Leftwich... zip.
Garrard... nada.
Gabbert... 6th plus conditional.
So easy a caveman could see it.
Quote:Yes, we can put it to bed. He was indeed a rental for 2013. Then they had to make a balloon payment in order to keep him.
Otherwise, they could have simply waited until he hit the market - which was happening anyway.
you might confuse him with the balloon payment reference
I think the Ravens probably got a slight edge on negotiating his contract so it wasn't a terrible deal for them, but we weren't getting a compensatory pick either way so something > nothing, but that's hard for some to comprehend.