Quote:And so it begins:
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan has shut down rumors of the team moving to London, but one of the team's former quarterbacks seems to think the Jags will eventually go across the pond.
Mark Brunell, who is now football coach at Episcopal School of Jacksonville, told ESPN's "Mike and Mike" that if the Jaguars moved across the pond, it wouldn't surprise him.
"We have an owner in Shad Khan that bought the soccer team over there and all indications are that we're headed that way. It's not good for Jacksonville," Brunell said. "You don't hear a lot of that talk in Jacksonville right now, but everywhere else ... someone mentioned the other day that it's the Jacksonville Jaguars of London."
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/sports/art...-of-London
I love Shahid Khan. We are so lucky to have him in Jax. My dream job would be to work for this uncommonly responsible, authentic and honest man.
Quote:This is the type of behavior that makes you lose $50 million in business investments and multiple franchises. Apparently he has taken to many shots to the head.
Speaking of shots to the head, I am surprised this broke bum wasn't more involved in the concussion lawsuit.
No need to put Mark on blast, he's just saying what the rest of the world is saying.
Besides he's done more for this community than you, me and the entire rest of the board combined.
Quote:No need to put Mark on blast, he's just saying what the rest of the world is saying.
Besides he's done more for this community than you, me and the entire rest of the board combined.
Then why not stick up for us when given the chance!?!?!?!?!? He's on blast because he deserves it.
Quote:This is the type of behavior that makes you lose $50 million in business investments and multiple franchises. Apparently he has taken to many shots to the head.
Speaking of shots to the head, I am surprised this broke bum wasn't more involved in the concussion lawsuit.
THE KING OF CO-SIGNING.
joking aside, it was his niceness that made him go broke. kind of a shame because i would have much rather seen ray lewis go broke.
I dont know if the jaguars will move or not, but lets not be completely blind, especially with the interest the NFL has in London. 3 games now a year over there, and we are the only one who has a 4 year deal to play over there. Sure, Khan has made some nice investments here in Jacksonville, the scoreboard definitely should quite the talk, and makes me feel pretty good.
The point is, we are a small market team, the smallest. We dont attract much interest. NFL is a business, if they believe London can succeed with a team, it will happen, and all indications are that they will try it. Who knows if it will be the jags or not, but we are being experimented, i believe the evidence is right there.
London is a huge market. More money can be made over there, if they can attract fan interest. Which in my opinion, i have my doubts, jaguars or not, im not sure Europeans will ever really except a team. I have studied and traveled a lot in Europe, been all over, many friends over there. THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SPORT. They dont like how the game stops every minuet, they dont understand the rules. They like soccer and always have. Theres always a few people somewhere who would be attracted to the sport, everybody has their own interests, but the masses could give a hoot. Those experimental games are all about the party for them. Im sure the brits really were interested in the jaguars and 49ners.......or maybe just seeing a different culture and enjoying the social part of it. My opinion of course, some of you internationals who are fans of this team may disagree with me, but i have a hard time believing your whole country is going to unite around a sport most have no idea about. LA cant even handle a team, how can you get Europeans to?
However, i do believe the NFL will try it, and they can afford it. As for it being the jaguars, i dont know, but i do believe it is being talked about, and we are one of the front runners for a possible relocation. As for Brunell's comments, he probably should of kept quite on air like that. Some of the die hards would take offense, im a die hard, but i also am a realist. And im not blind to whats going on right now. I dont know if we will move. I hope not. I dont think it will be anytime soon. If it does happen, maybe 5 years down the road? Who knows. All im saying is, dont be blind. We are not immune and just because someone tells you something, does not make it true. These owners are in it for themselves, not for the fans. They want us to show up, its our entertainment, noones pointing a gun to our head for being a fan or not. If people dont show up here, they will find somewhere where people will show to watch and make them money.
Im a jaguar fan till the end. Love them, just being a realist.
Quote:I dont know if the jaguars will move or not, but lets not be completely blind, especially with the interest the NFL has in London. 3 games now a year over there, and we are the only one who has a 4 year deal to play over there. Sure, Khan has made some nice investments here in Jacksonville, the scoreboard definitely should quite the talk, and makes me feel pretty good.
The point is, we are a small market team, the smallest. We dont attract much interest. NFL is a business, if they believe London can succeed with a team, it will happen, and all indications are that they will try it. Who knows if it will be the jags or not, but we are being experimented, i believe the evidence is right there.
London is a huge market. More money can be made over there, if they can attract fan interest. Which in my opinion, i have my doubts, jaguars or not, im not sure Europeans will ever really except a team. I have studied and traveled a lot in Europe, been all over, many friends over there. THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SPORT. They dont like how the game stops every minuet, they dont understand the rules. They like soccer and always have. Theres always a few people somewhere who would be attracted to the sport, everybody has their own interests, but the masses could give a hoot. Those experimental games are all about the party for them. Im sure the brits really were interested in the jaguars and 49ners.......or maybe just seeing a different culture and enjoying the social part of it. My opinion of course, some of you internationals who are fans of this team may disagree with me, but i have a hard time believing your whole country is going to unite around a sport most have no idea about. LA cant even handle a team, how can you get Europeans to?
However, i do believe the NFL will try it, and they can afford it. As for it being the jaguars, i dont know, but i do believe it is being talked about, and we are one of the front runners for a possible relocation. As for Brunell's comments, he probably should of kept quite on air like that. Some of the die hards would take offense, im a die hard, but i also am a realist. And im not blind to whats going on right now. I dont know if we will move. I hope not. I dont think it will be anytime soon. If it does happen, maybe 5 years down the road? Who knows. All im saying is, dont be blind. We are not immune and just because someone tells you something, does not make it true. These owners are in it for themselves, not for the fans. They want us to show up, its our entertainment, noones pointing a gun to our head for being a fan or not. If people dont show up here, they will find somewhere where people will show to watch and make them money.
Im a jaguar fan till the end. Love them, just being a realist.
Some very good points but we are not the smallest market in the NFL. We are larger than New Orleans , Buffalo and Green Bay.
We also attract plenty of interest. The pundits constantly talk about us on topics from anything concerning Tebow to London to worst NFL team. I am a firm believer in the Mark Cuban PR mantra - all PR is good PR and this entire nation and now London know who the Jacksonville Jaguars are. $800 million corporations draw plenty of interest.
This is a marketing opportunity for Khan , the city of Jax and the Jags. I assure you he does not view this as an experiment and for conversations sake if this is an experiment it will backfire because we are expanding our brand , not diminishing it.
Quote:Well the writing has been on the wall for quite some time. Add to the fact that your boy Caldwell has took on Gene's role of destroying the roster in an attempt to show that the Jaguars have lost money three years in a row and you have the perfect storm to jettison the team from the river city. Plus you have the blind lemons parading around constantly as if there's no problems at all and you have the current state of the Jaguars. I've been removed from the Duval area for over a decade and really have no attachment other then growing up there and a fan of the team ever since. With that said it'll never be the same if they move the Jags from the Duval.
One little problem with your little conspiracy theory there, skippy. The Jaguars haven't lost money. In fact, since Khan bought the team, they've expanded their revenue stream. Anyone who walks into the stadium, or deals with the local media can see a much more significant presence of corporate sponsorship locally. They're not giving that stuff away for free.
I'm not sure what a "blind lemon" is. Sounds like a band name.
I don't see anyone who has even a remote understanding of the dynamic here in Jacksonville walking around saying there are no problems. Quite the opposite in fact. Most people recognize the challenges this franchise faces here in Jacksonville, but they also realize that the new owner is actually trying to do as much as he possibly can to squeeze every possible bit of revenue out of this franchise.
As a lifelong resident, and 4th generation resident of Jacksonville, I do have a connection to this community, and in turn to this team. If it was to leave Jacksonville, it would leave without my support. That being said, we're not even remotely close to seeing the team relocate. Could it happen? Sure. But, the same could be said for at least half a dozen other franchises in the league who would benefit equally from moving to larger markets. They're not all lining up to move to London.
The owner agreed to play 4 games in London. It helps him to increase the profitability of the franchise, once again kind of negating your primary point that they're trying to show a 3 year loss. Many of the long-time season ticket holders are not happy to lose a home game a year, especially when it's guaranteed to be the best match-up on the schedule that we lose. But, we recognize the need to increase revenue. We also see plans to make significant upgrades to the stadium. We see the owner trying to put roots down locally in an effort to negate the talk about relocation. Time will tell if he's sincere.
To have a former player who many consider to be an icon from the golden age of the Jaguars (as brief as it was) expressing an opinion that the team is potentially leaving for London or LA at the same time when the team is doing everything it can to put that rumor to rest is just boneheaded on the part of Brunell. If I was Shad Khan, I'd be on the phone with Mark reminding him that he's going to be recognized as a new member of the Pride of the Jaguars, and that honor could evaporate just as quickly as his bank account did. The team was being awfully generous installing him as a member of that exclusive group already. What is given can be taken away.
Quote:https://twitter.com/M_Brunell8, have fun guys.
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<p class="">Heard from a lot of Jag fans about my comments on Mike and Mike. Please know that NOBODY wants the Jags to stay in Jax more than me.
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To have a former player who many consider to be an icon from the golden age of the Jaguars (as brief as it was) expressing an opinion that the team is potentially leaving for London or LA at the same time when the team is doing everything it can to put that rumor to rest is just boneheaded on the part of Brunell.
Or it's more of an indictment on what's really going on within the franchise but you just want to play naive and look the other way.
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If I was Shad Khan, I'd be on the phone with Mark reminding him that he's going to be recognized as a new member of the Pride of the Jaguars, and that honor could evaporate just as quickly as his bank account did. The team was being awfully generous installing him as a member of that exclusive group already. What is given can be taken away.
I disagree.
Its already been announced. Khan would have too much egg on his face to stop the induction now, this late in the process.
Quote:Or it's more of an indictment on what's really going on within the franchise but you just want to play naive and look the other way.
You've got to be kidding me.
I've been one of the more vocal people on this board about the situation with the franchise. Conveniently, you ignored the ENTIRE post and focused on one piece of it because the rest of it pretty much blows your entire premise out of the water. As someone who has discussed the potential for this team relocating at some point on more occasions than I can recall, I can assure you I'm not the one here who is naive. I've been invested in this team for nearly 20 years. Try the naive card on someone else.
It's pretty simple, when he says something like this he is publicly inferring that everything Mr. khan has expressed as far as his dedication to making the Jags work here is a lie. he has basically called him a liar. Talk about being a meathead.
Quote:I disagree.
Its already been announced. Khan would have too much egg on his face to stop the induction now, this late in the process.
Egg on his face? Who is paying attention? If less than 1% of all NFL fans call themselves Jaguar fans, the impact something like this would have on Shad Khan is the equivalent of one bumper having a defect.
I think most people who actually ARE Jaguars fans would support it after Mark Brunell basically called Khan and Lamping liars.
Brunell had an opportunity to talk up the fan base here in Jacksonville from a first-hand perspective, and he chose to kick the fans in the teeth instead. He did it in a venue that is already one of those that likes to link the Jaguars to relocation talk any time it arises.
Quote:You've got to be kidding me.
I've been one of the more vocal people on this board about the situation with the franchise. Conveniently, you ignored the ENTIRE post and focused on one piece of it because the rest of it pretty much blows your entire premise out of the water. As someone who has discussed the potential for this team relocating at some point on more occasions than I can recall, I can assure you I'm not the one here who is naive. I've been invested in this team for nearly 20 years. Try the naive card on someone else.
Must of hit a nerve.
Quote:It's pretty simple, when he says something like this he is publicly inferring that everything Mr. khan has expressed as far as his dedication to making the jags work here is a lie. he has basically called him a liar. Talk about being a meathead.
Not really. Khan is a business man and taking the Jags to London/L.A. however you want to paint it will be great on the R.O.I. Talk about a meathead.
If anyone thinks it will take 3 years of losses to allow Shad Khan to break the lease permitting him to move the team is ridiculously naive. He's already broken the lease by playing in London, how hard was that? I don't know exactly what the lease fee is but I've heard it's $3 million per year. If there are 17 years left on the lease then he would owe the city $51 million in lease payments.
Now, given he will be here at least for 3 more years since he's committed to only one game in London, his lease payment will be $45 million. If he were to move the team to London, or L.A., the team would immediately be worth $1 billion or more. That would be an increase of $250 million in equity from what he paid.
More than likely, if he were to move the team, the other NFL owners would pick up part of that lease payment for him since the additional revenue he would receive from such a move would trickle into their pockets as well.
The most valuable asset we have to keep the team here is ourselves. If we show up and support the team we'll have the NFL Relocation Committee in our corner. After the Cleveland to Baltimore fiasco the Relocation Committee instituted a clause in their by-laws that prohibits a team from relocating if it is breaking a lease with it's city. If we support the team by selling out the stadium, it will be difficult for the Relocation Committee to bless a move.
We have a stake in this. Don't pretend there is nothing we can do to prevent a move.
Regards.................the Chiefjag
Quote:Must of hit a nerve.
Not really. Khan is a business man and taking the Jags to London/L.A. however you want to paint it will be great on the R.O.I. Talk about a meathead.
I don't tolerate stupidity very well. Sorry.
Is Khan a big market guy? Where does he operate his company from? Is it the epicenter of commerce?
I see a guy who came from nothing, made his fortune on his own with a combination of smarts, hard work, and a little luck. He's built an empire that made him a billionaire. He has a business that is a global operation that works with every major auto manufacturer on the planet, and he did this from where? Urbana, IL. That's not exactly a metropolis he's running a multi-billion dollar business from.
It's the one thing I look at that makes me think he's the kind of guy who would love to make this team a success in a small market competing against the big boys. I don't think he's really considering London or LA because I think he recognizes he doesn't need to be there to be successful over the long haul. The current agreement with London opens a door for him to increase revenue without having to move the franchise. It allows him to prove that you don't have to be in a top 10 market to succeed as an NFL franchise. Somehow he's managed to accomplish that in his business life, and if you look at his personal narrative, making it happen here in Jacksonville is precisely the kind of thing Khan would want.
I was more of a skeptic early in the process as he assumed ownership. I'm still not fully committed to the notion that he's dedicated to this market, but I'm significantly further along in the process based upon his actions over the past year as he's invested heavily in the organization, and also in the community. He's become a major player in the local business market because of this London game. If you saw who was part of his entourage during the week, it was all city leaders and business leaders in London and Jacksonville who were in attendance. His global presence can only benefit the local business environment, and he's proving that he's willing to spearhead the efforts to give Jacksonville a more global appeal.
His investment of tens of millions in the stadium, and tens of millions more in the city are both signs he plans to remain a fixture here. This is a guy who doesn't strike me as someone who is willing to part ways with pretty significant dollar amounts just to put on a show.
Quote:If anyone thinks it will take 3 years of losses to allow Shad Khan to break the lease permitting him to move the team is ridiculously naive. He's already broken the lease by playing in London, how hard was that? I don't know exactly what the lease fee is but I've heard it's $3 million per year. If there are 17 years left on the lease then he would owe the city $51 million in lease payments.
Now, given he will be here at least for 3 more years since he's committed to only one game in London, his lease payment will be $45 million. If he were to move the team to London, or L.A., the team would immediately be worth $1 billion or more. That would be an increase of $250 million in equity from what he paid.
More than likely, if he were to move the team, the other NFL owners would pick up part of that lease payment for him since the additional revenue he would receive from such a move would trickle into their pockets as well.
The most valuable asset we have to keep the team here is ourselves. If we show up and support the team we'll have the NFL Relocation Committee in our corner. After the Cleveland to Baltimore fiasco the Relocation Committee instituted a clause in their by-laws that prohibits a team from relocating if it is breaking a lease with it's city. If we support the team by selling out the stadium, it will be difficult for the Relocation Committee to bless a move.
We have a stake in this. Don't pretend there is nothing we can do to prevent a move.
Regards.................the Chiefjag
This x 1000. All we have to do is buy tickets but with that said, Brunell doesn't know jack crap and only gave his opinion so people need to stop being sensitive.
Quote:If anyone thinks it will take 3 years of losses to allow Shad Khan to break the lease permitting him to move the team is ridiculously naive. He's already broken the lease by playing in London, how hard was that? I don't know exactly what the lease fee is but I've heard it's $3 million per year. If there are 17 years left on the lease then he would owe the city $51 million in lease payments.
Now, given he will be here at least for 3 more years since he's committed to only one game in London, his lease payment will be $45 million. If he were to move the team to London, or L.A., the team would immediately be worth $1 billion or more. That would be an increase of $250 million in equity from what he paid.
More than likely, if he were to move the team, the other NFL owners would pick up part of that lease payment for him since the additional revenue he would receive from such a move would trickle into their pockets as well.
The most valuable asset we have to keep the team here is ourselves. If we show up and support the team we'll have the NFL Relocation Committee in our corner. After the Cleveland to Baltimore fiasco the Relocation Committee instituted a clause in their by-laws that prohibits a team from relocating if it is breaking a lease with it's city. If we support the team by selling out the stadium, it will be difficult for the Relocation Committee to bless a move.
We have a stake in this. Don't pretend there is nothing we can do to prevent a move.
Regards.................the Chiefjag
I feel ya but that 0 and 8 team that Caldwell is fielding certainly says otherwise. What's funny is some folk act as if he's made the team better...well that's not the case at all. In fact, you could point to many inconsistencies but that's irrelevant when you're arguing with the LEMMINGS.