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(11-30-2018, 05:51 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2018, 02:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care about the sunk cost of cutting or keeping Blake. I do care about not wanting a rookie QB to be anywhere near observing Blake and his awful mechanics, release, etc during practice. I would much rather him learn the fundamentals from Kessler, or damn near any other QB.
A QB mentoring a fellow player is more about reads than mechanics.
Well he’s bad at making reads too.
Why do yall think we'll get a QB that is currently in the league right now? The Bucs want nothing more than to part ways with Winston because they are in the same position we are with Bortles. Why would we get out of a situation to then enter into another situation of the same fashion? Does our organization have Stockholm's Syndrome or what? Do we like getting bamboozled by these QBs? Winston is a turnover machine with several incidents off the field that would be grounds for release if not for the simple fact he is a Quarterback. Why are 90% of yall on this forum actually devoid of sense? It's literally mind boggling. Kessler in 2019 then draft a QB in 2020. Simple is as simple does.
(12-01-2018, 12:25 AM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Why do yall think we'll get a QB that is currently in the league right now? The Bucs want nothing more than to part ways with Winston because they are in the same position we are with Bortles. Why would we get out of a situation to then enter into another situation of the same fashion? Does our organization have Stockholm's Syndrome or what? Do we like getting bamboozled by these QBs? Winston is a turnover machine with several incidents off the field that would be grounds for release if not for the simple fact he is a Quarterback. Why are 90% of yall on this forum actually devoid of sense? It's literally mind boggling. Kessler in 2019 then draft a QB in 2020. Simple is as simple does.
Well not to mention the fact that Bortles seems like a genuinely good guy and Winstion is an [BLEEP].
I would avoid overdrafting a QB in the first round. 2nd or 3rd round would be fine. The first pick needs to be used elsewhere. Maybe a trade down for more picks? I would eye a WR, OL, TE in the first round. Help that offense out.
(12-03-2018, 01:54 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]I would avoid overdrafting a QB in the first round. 2nd or 3rd round would be fine. The first pick needs to be used elsewhere. Maybe a trade down for more picks? I would eye a WR, OL, TE in the first round. Help that offense out.
There are actually a number of fans that wish the Jags to select an o-lineman (or WR) in the first round and a QB in the second.
I think that if they identify a QB they deem a potential franchise starter - then they have to take him early.
It's too big of a need for the team right now to roll the dice on guys falling or not falling to your later picks.
Getting your guy at your first pick or trading up to get him puts you more firmly in the driver's seat.
While it may turn out to be possible to wait, it may not be.
(12-03-2018, 02:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2018, 01:54 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]I would avoid overdrafting a QB in the first round. 2nd or 3rd round would be fine. The first pick needs to be used elsewhere. Maybe a trade down for more picks? I would eye a WR, OL, TE in the first round. Help that offense out.
There are actually a number of fans that wish the Jags to select an o-lineman (or WR) in the first round and a QB in the second.
I think that if they identify a QB they deem a potential franchise starter - then they have to take him early.
It's too big of a need for the team right now to roll the dice on guys falling or not falling to your later picks.
Getting your guy at your first pick or trading up to get him puts you more firmly in the driver's seat.
While it may turn out to be possible to wait, it may not be.
I'm not opposed to drafting an OL or WR in the first. But if and only if they've identified a quality, franchise QB candidate in the 2nd. How many times have we discussed on here passing on the QB in the first and looking back like wth? The problem is when we draft a QB in the first, we whiff Gene style..... I haven't been able to go back and read this thread in full yet, but is the Ohio State kid draft eligible this year? If so, what is his and Grier projected round at? Would y'all be happy with those?
(12-03-2018, 02:09 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2018, 02:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There are actually a number of fans that wish the Jags to select an o-lineman (or WR) in the first round and a QB in the second.
I think that if they identify a QB they deem a potential franchise starter - then they have to take him early.
It's too big of a need for the team right now to roll the dice on guys falling or not falling to your later picks.
Getting your guy at your first pick or trading up to get him puts you more firmly in the driver's seat.
While it may turn out to be possible to wait, it may not be.
I'm not opposed to drafting an OL or WR in the first. But if and only if they've identified a qualify, franchise QB candidate in the 2nd. How many times have we discussed on here passing on the QB in the first and looking back like wth? The problem is when we draft a QB in the first, we whiff Gene style..... I haven't been able to go back and read this thread in full yet, but is the Ohio State kid draft eligible this year? If so, what is his and Grier projected round at? Would y'all be happy with those?
If you think a QB is franchise caliber, you don't wait until the 2nd round. You take them in round 1.
Haskins is draft eligible this year but hasn't declared.
(12-03-2018, 02:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2018, 01:54 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]I would avoid overdrafting a QB in the first round. 2nd or 3rd round would be fine. The first pick needs to be used elsewhere. Maybe a trade down for more picks? I would eye a WR, OL, TE in the first round. Help that offense out.
There are actually a number of fans that wish the Jags to select an o-lineman (or WR) in the first round and a QB in the second.
I think that if they identify a QB they deem a potential franchise starter - then they have to take him early.
It's too big of a need for the team right now to roll the dice on guys falling or not falling to your later picks.
Getting your guy at your first pick or trading up to get him puts you more firmly in the driver's seat.
While it may turn out to be possible to wait, it may not be.
If we are picking early in the second and they identify a potential franchise starter, I absolutely see them moving up to 27-32 and taking them at the end of the first. That fifth year option is well worth the added draft capital to spend to get back into day 1 drafting. I also think you need to do that to get the jump on some other teams that might look to do the same.
(12-03-2018, 06:22 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2018, 02:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There are actually a number of fans that wish the Jags to select an o-lineman (or WR) in the first round and a QB in the second.
I think that if they identify a QB they deem a potential franchise starter - then they have to take him early.
It's too big of a need for the team right now to roll the dice on guys falling or not falling to your later picks.
Getting your guy at your first pick or trading up to get him puts you more firmly in the driver's seat.
While it may turn out to be possible to wait, it may not be.
If we are picking early in the second and they identify a potential franchise starter, I absolutely see them moving up to 27-32 and taking them at the end of the first. That fifth year option is well worth the added draft capital to spend to get back into day 1 drafting. I also think you need to do that to get the jump on some other teams that might look to do the same.
If they think the kid is gonna be their starter by season's end, I'd rather they take him with their first pick and avoid the possibility of losing their opportunity. But we don't have much feel yet for where this class of QBs is going to be distributed across big boards yet. Specific scenarios will make more sense post combine/pro-day season.
(11-30-2018, 06:45 PM)Steelers Beaches Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018, 02:39 PM)Preach Wrote: [ -> ]They mentioned Jameis Winston on 1010xl. I wouldn't mind that.
Ouch, IDK. I predicted he was going to be the next big thing in the NFL, even Marino-like. But since then he has done nothing but disappoint,
and that is even if you don't think the Uber thing was anything serious. I don't think Jameis is a real leader like Baker Mayfield. He has the arm,
but man, he's just fake or something.
(11-30-2018, 05:16 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the Bengals situation is an interesting one to watch. Lewis and their coaching staff is probably gone after this season. Dalton can also be cut without a cap hit prior to 2019. I could see a new regime decide to move on from Dalton with a clean cut and draft a QB while rebuilding that defense which may take a few seasons.
Dalton is by no means a elite QB, but he is definitely better than what is in Jax right now. If he can be average, you can still rely on running and defense. It also gives the Jags some time in case they don't like the 2019 QB prospects.
He's not the worst, but I'd hate to try to build a championship contender with him under center, but I don't think you do either.
Totally agree, you don't change your entire team to bring him in. But it he will come in semi cheaply, then you can keep more of the defense in 2019 to perhaps salvage that year as part of the current team's window for success.. I'd argue that he is basically what Marrone wanted Bortles to be, with less running ability. Otherwise, I don't see a rookie QB being able to carry the team here until at least 2020, probably closer to 2021.
(12-03-2018, 02:12 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2018, 02:09 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not opposed to drafting an OL or WR in the first. But if and only if they've identified a qualify, franchise QB candidate in the 2nd. How many times have we discussed on here passing on the QB in the first and looking back like wth? The problem is when we draft a QB in the first, we whiff Gene style..... I haven't been able to go back and read this thread in full yet, but is the Ohio State kid draft eligible this year? If so, what is his and Grier projected round at? Would y'all be happy with those?
If you think a QB is franchise caliber, you don't wait until the 2nd round. You take them in round 1.
Haskins is draft eligible this year but hasn't declared.
Absolutely this.
(12-03-2018, 08:42 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2018, 02:12 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]If you think a QB is franchise caliber, you don't wait until the 2nd round. You take them in round 1.
Haskins is draft eligible this year but hasn't declared.
Absolutely this.
Agreed. I'd rather over draft the QB we really want instead of missing out on them completely, because we waited too long.
For those who talk of franchise quarterbacks. Is there any chance of a list of who counts as one in the NFL? And what's the criteria?
(12-03-2018, 11:13 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]For those who talk of franchise quarterbacks. Is there any chance of a list of who counts as one in the NFL? And what's the criteria?
A guy that doesn't singlehandedly lose games with dumb mistakes on any kind of regular basis - and you can feel confident will lead a 2 minute drive for the win a few times per season.
QB option? Blake will be running that option all day next season. With the Jags likely set up to completely miss on a franchise QB in Haskins.... looks like it'll be Borts all day in 2019. Yay winning meaningless games! Develop those players! That'll make the difference! Not a QB! Keep Marrone till 2025, he's the man!
(12-03-2018, 11:37 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]QB option? Blake will be running that option all day next season. With the Jags likely set up to completely miss on a franchise QB in Haskins.... looks like it'll be Borts all day in 2019. Yay winning meaningless games! Develop those players! That'll make the difference! Not a QB! Keep Marrone till 2025, he's the man!
And if we just lose every game for 53 straight seasons we can have an entire roster of #1 picks.
We're probably stuck with Blake next year. I think we'll draft someone in the later rounds to sit next year as a back-up and just for competition's sake. This team proved we can win with Blake as the QB but we have to fix the running game via offensive line and probably bring in a go-to receiver. Getting rid of Robinson/Hurns is proving costly. With Lee being down all season these younger guys can't get separation and can't hold onto the ball. God forbid we have a year with a decent offensive line and a healthy Fournette/tight end. Blake will likely be our best bet going into 2019 or we'll have to trade up and pray we get quality O-Line depth somewhere.
(12-03-2018, 11:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2018, 11:13 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]For those who talk of franchise quarterbacks. Is there any chance of a list of who counts as one in the NFL? And what's the criteria?
A guy that doesn't singlehandedly lose games with dumb mistakes on any kind of regular basis - and you can feel confident will lead a 2 minute drive for the win a few times per season.
You would be surprised how few meet that criteria who aren't future hall of fame qbs.
Hey how many times did Luck get a chance to win with the playoffs on the line?
(12-04-2018, 12:56 AM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2018, 11:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]A guy that doesn't singlehandedly lose games with dumb mistakes on any kind of regular basis - and you can feel confident will lead a 2 minute drive for the win a few times per season.
You would be surprised how few meet that criteria who aren't future hall of fame qbs.
Hey how many times did Luck get a chance to win with the playoffs on the line?
enlighten me
(12-03-2018, 11:13 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]For those who talk of franchise quarterbacks. Is there any chance of a list of who counts as one in the NFL? And what's the criteria?
A franchise QB is a QB who is consistently above average season to season and thus gives his team a good chance of winning. That's really the only criteria.
There are probably 14/15 QBs I'd consider franchise QBs right now. Only 3 of them are below .500 this year
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