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(11-29-2018, 12:20 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2018, 12:08 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Ummm Colt McCoy is the 6th highest paid backup and he makes 3.6 million. So... Yes you can. Foles is the highest paid backup at 9 million dollars.
And Colt McCoy is worse than Bortles.... You don't think salaries will increase at all next season?
You are proving the point. Good job!
(11-29-2018, 12:16 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]So you bench Blake in 2018. Roster gets worse because you have no money to sign anyone. Roll him out week 1 and with a straight face say "He gives us the best chance to win"? I just don't buy it.
Cut Blake. Draft a QB round 1. Sign a vet for around 4 million.
It's not hard. What is hard is paying Blake 21 million next year.
What veteran are you going to pay for 4 million a year that is worth a damn?
Newsflash. They're all backups for a reason. You're not paying 21 million for Blake to be a backup.
And Colt McCoy is just fine. Depending on how Kessler plays the rest of this year, he could start the season next year.
I know it's hard to comprehend that Blake may (and most likely will) be gone next year but the team needs to move on and I believe they will. So do a lot of other people including people close to the team.
Your math is really weak.....They are already in the tank for 16.5 mil either way.
Sorry you cant deal with the FACTS.
Did you watch the Washington game, he was trash.
(11-29-2018, 12:28 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Your math is really weak.....They are already in the tank for 16.5 mil either way.
Sorry you cant deal with the FACTS.
Lol my math is fine.
I'd rather save 5 million, pay the 16.5 million to Blake in dead money and move on. I'm not the first person to suggest this and a ton of other people close to the team feel the same. It's time to move on and the process has already begun the second he was benched.
(11-29-2018, 12:30 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2018, 12:28 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Your math is really weak.....They are already in the tank for 16.5 mil either way.
Sorry you cant deal with the FACTS.
Lol my math is fine.
I'd rather save 5 million, pay the 16.5 million to Blake in dead money and move on. I'm not the first person to suggest this and a ton of other people close to the team feel the same. It's time to move on and the process has already begun the second he was benched.
Told you he was an insider.
(11-29-2018, 12:41 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2018, 12:30 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Lol my math is fine.
I'd rather save 5 million, pay the 16.5 million to Blake in dead money and move on. I'm not the first person to suggest this and a ton of other people close to the team feel the same. It's time to move on and the process has already begun the second he was benched.
Told you he was an insider.
Let's keep it about football, please. Not petty gripes with posters.
It's OK to disagree - but let's not get into a tangent of just getting personal with those you disagree with.
Thanks.
(11-29-2018, 12:41 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2018, 12:30 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Lol my math is fine.
I'd rather save 5 million, pay the 16.5 million to Blake in dead money and move on. I'm not the first person to suggest this and a ton of other people close to the team feel the same. It's time to move on and the process has already begun the second he was benched.
Told you he was an insider.
Do you read anything besides this message board?
Oesher has said it. Boselli, Hays, Dickman... They all believe he's cut.
Glad you think I'm an insider though. Hope I start getting insider money.
People are so focused on Bortles that they fail to realize that there is A LOT of thing that NEED improvement on offense for ANY QB to have success. Right now, with the injuries on offense a “cheap vet” nor a rookie would be successful across multiple games. I would not want to move on from Bortles with just a “Cheap Vet” and a rookie QB on the roster knowing I am only saving 5 or so Million by cutting him and maybe gaining nominal QB play improvement.
People forget that Bortles was the most sacked QB in his first two seasons and y’all wanna throw some 4 mil vet out to the wolves or even worse the rookie QB!? Seriously!? ? that’s how we ended up with the current version of Bortles!
We need to keep three QBs going into next year.
Kessler, Bortles, and a rookie. Sit the rookie and invest heavily into the offense the next two drafts and then 2020 start the QB you draft and THEN cut Bortles or Kessler.
(11-29-2018, 12:57 PM)USCG_JAG Wrote: [ -> ]People are so focused on Bortles that they fail to realize that there is A LOT of thing that NEED improvement on offense for ANY QB to have success. Right now, with the injuries on offense a “cheap vet” nor a rookie would be successful across multiple games. I would not want to move on from Bortles with just a “Cheap Vet” and a rookie QB on the roster knowing I am only saving 5 or so Million by cutting him and maybe gaining nominal QB play improvement.
People forget that Bortles was the most sacked QB in his first two seasons and y’all wanna throw some 4 mil vet out to the wolves or even worse the rookie QB!? Seriously!? ? that’s how we ended up with the current version of Bortles!
We need to keep three QBs going into next year.
Kessler, Bortles, and a rookie. Sit the rookie and invest heavily into the offense the next two drafts and then 2020 start the QB you draft and THEN cut Bortles or Kessler.
3 QBs next season? So pay Blake 21 million, pay Kessler his 1 million and then pay the top 10 rookie QB money?!
The team has already moved on from Blake with a cheap vet. What makes you think they wouldn't do it to start the season? Not to mention the Jags could be looking at a new HC and you can most likely assume they don't want Blake in their QB room.
(11-29-2018, 01:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2018, 12:57 PM)USCG_JAG Wrote: [ -> ]People are so focused on Bortles that they fail to realize that there is A LOT of thing that NEED improvement on offense for ANY QB to have success. Right now, with the injuries on offense a “cheap vet” nor a rookie would be successful across multiple games. I would not want to move on from Bortles with just a “Cheap Vet” and a rookie QB on the roster knowing I am only saving 5 or so Million by cutting him and maybe gaining nominal QB play improvement.
People forget that Bortles was the most sacked QB in his first two seasons and y’all wanna throw some 4 mil vet out to the wolves or even worse the rookie QB!? Seriously!? ? that’s how we ended up with the current version of Bortles!
We need to keep three QBs going into next year.
Kessler, Bortles, and a rookie. Sit the rookie and invest heavily into the offense the next two drafts and then 2020 start the QB you draft and THEN cut Bortles or Kessler.
3 QBs next season? So pay Blake 21 million, pay Kessler his 1 million and then pay the top 10 rookie QB money?!
The team has already moved on from Blake with a cheap vet. What makes you think they wouldn't do it to start the season? Not to mention the Jags could be looking at a new HC and you can most likely assume they don't want Blake in their QB room.
If I am only netting 5 million by cutting him? Yeah, I’d Keep him on the roster for only 5 million extra as a precaution to not ruin a rookie QB by throwing him to the wolves if Kessler gets hurt... I feel like we’ve already witnessed that episode, multiple times. Let’s be patient and ensure proper development of the rookie for at least a year.
(11-30-2018, 01:46 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's going to be Winston. Eli is old and weak. Flacco has a hip of an old lady. Tanneyhill is fragile as paper.
http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-ja...es-in-2019
Winston will cost too much money.
It's going to be a cheap vet and a rookie QB. That's the most likely scenario.
I don't care about the sunk cost of cutting or keeping Blake. I do care about not wanting a rookie QB to be anywhere near observing Blake and his awful mechanics, release, etc during practice. I would much rather him learn the fundamentals from Kessler, or damn near any other QB.
(11-30-2018, 02:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care about the sunk cost of cutting or keeping Blake. I do care about not wanting a rookie QB to be anywhere near observing Blake and his awful mechanics, release, etc during practice. I would much rather him learn the fundamentals from Kessler, or damn near any other QB.
I really can’t disagree.
I think best case scenario is that the team finds a way to win three games with Kessler and Milanovich and they enter camp with a top draft pick, Kessler and Lee in the QB room.
Though I’m sure your best case scenario is different and involves tanking.
Blake will be cut with the June 1st designation costing us much less. BB5 is BBGone
(11-30-2018, 02:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care about the sunk cost of cutting or keeping Blake. I do care about not wanting a rookie QB to be anywhere near observing Blake and his awful mechanics, release, etc during practice. I would much rather him learn the fundamentals from Kessler, or damn near any other QB.
Why would a rookie QB be observing a backups mechanics and release? When did QBs start learning throwing mechanics from backups? Is Chad Henne to blame for Bortles throwing mechanics?
If we are drafting a QB that is not hyper confident in his arm, I want nothing to do with him.
(11-30-2018, 02:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care about the sunk cost of cutting or keeping Blake. I do care about not wanting a rookie QB to be anywhere near observing Blake and his awful mechanics, release, etc during practice. I would much rather him learn the fundamentals from Kessler, or damn near any other QB.
Although I'm sure Bortles is gone, I think it's ridiculous to assume that a rookie is going to 'catch' Bortles' bad mechanics. Your base mechanics are already developed by the time you reach this level. I can see some minor tweaks being made. But if you can acquire someone else's mechanics, why is it that Bortles, Leftwich, Tebow, and many many others never 'caught' good mechanics.
I think the Bengals situation is an interesting one to watch. Lewis and their coaching staff is probably gone after this season. Dalton can also be cut without a cap hit prior to 2019. I could see a new regime decide to move on from Dalton with a clean cut and draft a QB while rebuilding that defense which may take a few seasons.
Dalton is by no means a elite QB, but he is definitely better than what is in Jax right now. If he can be average, you can still rely on running and defense. It also gives the Jags some time in case they don't like the 2019 QB prospects.
(11-30-2018, 02:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care about the sunk cost of cutting or keeping Blake. I do care about not wanting a rookie QB to be anywhere near observing Blake and his awful mechanics, release, etc during practice. I would much rather him learn the fundamentals from Kessler, or damn near any other QB.
A QB mentoring a fellow player is more about reads than mechanics.
(11-25-2018, 02:39 PM)Preach Wrote: [ -> ]They mentioned Jameis Winston on 1010xl. I wouldn't mind that.
Ouch, IDK. I predicted he was going to be the next big thing in the NFL, even Marino-like. But since then he has done nothing but disappoint,
and that is even if you don't think the Uber thing was anything serious. I don't think Jameis is a real leader like Baker Mayfield. He has the arm,
but man, he's just fake or something.
(11-30-2018, 05:16 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the Bengals situation is an interesting one to watch. Lewis and their coaching staff is probably gone after this season. Dalton can also be cut without a cap hit prior to 2019. I could see a new regime decide to move on from Dalton with a clean cut and draft a QB while rebuilding that defense which may take a few seasons.
Dalton is by no means a elite QB, but he is definitely better than what is in Jax right now. If he can be average, you can still rely on running and defense. It also gives the Jags some time in case they don't like the 2019 QB prospects.
He's not the worst, but I'd hate to try to build a championship contender with him under center, but I don't think you do either.
(11-30-2018, 01:46 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's going to be Winston. Eli is old and weak. Flacco has a hip of an old lady. Tanneyhill is fragile as paper.
http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-ja...es-in-2019
Winston is just another version of Bortles, only with off the field issues as well. Hard pass.
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