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(11-26-2018, 12:43 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:34 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Murray was part of my personal opinion.
Also, I never said Tua was trash, (which is what you seem like you are implying), I said that he is a college stud and I don't think he translates to the NFL.
And.
ALABAMA QBs don't do well in the NFL.
I'm not sure how you can think Tua will not translate but Kyler will.... Doesn't make sense at all.
To each their own I guess. I'm just never going to dismiss someone based on where they went to school. If that were the case, we should have never drafted Fred Taylor....
Yeah, his predecessors Neil Anderson and Emmitt Smith never amounted to anything in the NFL.
(11-26-2018, 04:47 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 03:01 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]-.-
Suppose Nola doesn't hold on to him, what are you willing to pay the mostly unproven Teddy? Considering the money still owed to Blake (and the dead cap if he's cut).
Although I'm not opposed to trading a lot to get Tua... you think we'll be the only QB needy team in 2 years?
If Oakland doesn't move this year and Carr bombs... he's out for sure next year.
Maybe New England is finally looking for a guy then... boy the Pats getting Tua would be better than the clots landing Luck.
I'm not big on the idea of Teddy Bridgewater and even lesser on the idea of waiting until 2020 to draft Blake's replacement.
Highly doubt the Gruden's would ever take a mobile QB
Rich Gannon was a mobile QB. He ran for 529 yards under Gruden in 2000.
(11-26-2018, 12:43 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:34 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Murray was part of my personal opinion.
Also, I never said Tua was trash, (which is what you seem like you are implying), I said that he is a college stud and I don't think he translates to the NFL.
And.
ALABAMA QBs don't do well in the NFL.
I'm not sure how you can think Tua will not translate but Kyler will.... Doesn't make sense at all.
To each their own I guess. I'm just never going to dismiss someone based on where they went to school. If that were the case, we should have never drafted Fred Taylor....
It’s not about the school, it’s about the coach and the type of system he runs that “DOES” have an affect on the success of the QB at the next level. That’s why Alabama QB’s don’t typically translate. They run a vanilla offense in a time when the offense in the NFL is going toward a more spread offense. This year Alabama has opened up the offense for Tua because he’s athletic enough to pull it off and they didn’t want him to transfer.
I'm certainly no scout, what do you guys think about Herbert? He's getting a lot of praise from what I'm seeing.
I just want a guy with elite arm talent 1st and foremost.
(11-27-2018, 06:20 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I'm certainly no scout, what do you guys think about Herbert? He's getting a lot of praise from what I'm seeing.
I just want a guy with elite arm talent 1st and foremost.
I heard Jamarcus Russell is available.
Grier is a taller Rex Grossman and Haskins is Fool's Gold. No thanks. No to a QB in 2019.
(11-27-2018, 07:34 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Grier is a taller Rex Grossman and Haskins is Fool's Gold. No thanks. No to a QB in 2019.
So who should be the starter next year?
(11-27-2018, 08:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2018, 07:34 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Grier is a taller Rex Grossman and Haskins is Fool's Gold. No thanks. No to a QB in 2019.
So who should be the starter next year?
@Tanner Lee@
(11-28-2018, 11:26 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2018, 08:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]So who should be the starter next year?
@Tanner Lee@
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Personally - I'm totally down with drafting the best guy they can maneuver for and letting him sit half the season if he needs to do so.
If Kessler does OK down the stretch - the rookie could sit behind him till he's ready. If they need to sign a different journeyman to placehold, that's fine too.
I'm not opposed to chasing a vet with the intention of starting him, I'd just rather go the rookie development route for cap purposes if they think they can get their guy that way.
(11-27-2018, 06:54 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2018, 06:20 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I'm certainly no scout, what do you guys think about Herbert? He's getting a lot of praise from what I'm seeing.
I just want a guy with elite arm talent 1st and foremost.
I heard Jamarcus Russell is available.
Jeff George still says he can play too
(11-28-2018, 12:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Personally - I'm totally down with drafting the best guy they can maneuver for and letting him sit half the season if he needs to do so.
If Kessler does OK down the stretch - the rookie could sit behind him till he's ready. If they need to sign a different journeyman to placehold, that's fine too.
I'm not opposed to chasing a vet with the intention of starting him, I'd just rather go the rookie development route for cap purposes if they think they can get their guy that way.
Wasn't this the plan with Luke McCown/Blaine Gabbert?
(11-28-2018, 01:08 PM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2018, 12:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Personally - I'm totally down with drafting the best guy they can maneuver for and letting him sit half the season if he needs to do so.
If Kessler does OK down the stretch - the rookie could sit behind him till he's ready. If they need to sign a different journeyman to placehold, that's fine too.
I'm not opposed to chasing a vet with the intention of starting him, I'd just rather go the rookie development route for cap purposes if they think they can get their guy that way.
Wasn't this the plan with Luke McCown/Blaine Gabbert?
Yes. It's a good plan if you can do it with two QBs that aren't terrible. Luke and Blaine were miserably bad, and their line made it even worse.
The model isn't bad. Those players were.
(11-27-2018, 08:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2018, 07:34 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Grier is a taller Rex Grossman and Haskins is Fool's Gold. No thanks. No to a QB in 2019.
So who should be the starter next year?
I'm fine with Kessler.
(11-28-2018, 12:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Personally - I'm totally down with drafting the best guy they can maneuver for and letting him sit half the season if he needs to do so.
If Kessler does OK down the stretch - the rookie could sit behind him till he's ready. If they need to sign a different journeyman to placehold, that's fine too.
I'm not opposed to chasing a vet with the intention of starting him, I'd just rather go the rookie development route for cap purposes if they think they can get their guy that way.
I don't think they can afford to go after a Vet QB honestly (none of them are any good anyways). Paying another QB $12+mil per year and having to bite the bullet on Bortles' $$, all while on an already limited budget? I don't see it, nor should they do it imo.
Draft a QB in the 1st, or 2nd round and go from there. Go young, draft your guy and hope he's the one. Helping out the cap space a little bit in the process.
Cutting Malik Jackson and Barry Church would give us around $17m. That'd be enough to free up Bortles' dead cap if we cut him.
(11-28-2018, 11:49 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2018, 12:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Personally - I'm totally down with drafting the best guy they can maneuver for and letting him sit half the season if he needs to do so.
If Kessler does OK down the stretch - the rookie could sit behind him till he's ready. If they need to sign a different journeyman to placehold, that's fine too.
I'm not opposed to chasing a vet with the intention of starting him, I'd just rather go the rookie development route for cap purposes if they think they can get their guy that way.
I don't think they can afford to go after a Vet QB honestly (none of them are any good anyways). Paying another QB $12+mil per year and having to bite the bullet on Bortles' $$, all while on an already limited budget? I don't see it, nor should they do it imo.
Draft a QB in the 1st, or 2nd round and go from there. Go young, draft your guy and hope he's the one. Helping out the cap space a little bit in the process.
Cutting Malik Jackson and Barry Church would give us around $17m. That'd be enough to free up Bortles' dead cap if we cut him.
You're probably right. The cost would be prohibitive and/or counterproductive in terms of what you'd give up.
Hopefully that steers them into the preferred method of drafting young talent.
(Regarding the cap and cuts, I think it's safe to say that Church is gone and one of the three big D-Line salaries will be gone too)
(11-28-2018, 09:00 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2018, 08:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]So who should be the starter next year?
I'm fine with Kessler.
I honestly think BB5 will start next year unless we sign or trade for a vet.
I cant trust Kess until he wins a game in the NFL. Even then, I'd take BB5 over him.
if doug is still HC a new qb won't help. the loseing is all the HC.
(11-29-2018, 09:57 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-28-2018, 09:00 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm fine with Kessler.
I honestly think BB5 will start next year unless we sign or trade for a vet.
I cant trust Kess until he wins a game in the NFL. Even then, I'd take BB5 over him.
You should probably prepare yourself for Blake playing somewhere else next year. He's done as a Jaguar.
(11-29-2018, 10:31 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2018, 09:57 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly think BB5 will start next year unless we sign or trade for a vet.
I cant trust Kess until he wins a game in the NFL. Even then, I'd take BB5 over him.
You should probably prepare yourself for Blake playing somewhere else next year. He's done as a Jaguar.
Exactly. I am not sure how anyone doesn't think there won't be a vet AND a newly drafted QB on this roster next year.
Bortles should get a head start on finding a good realtor for that beach house or rent it out to college students.
(11-29-2018, 10:31 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2018, 09:57 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly think BB5 will start next year unless we sign or trade for a vet.
I cant trust Kess until he wins a game in the NFL. Even then, I'd take BB5 over him.
You should probably prepare yourself for Blake playing somewhere else next year. He's done as a Jaguar.
(11-29-2018, 10:34 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2018, 10:31 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You should probably prepare yourself for Blake playing somewhere else next year. He's done as a Jaguar.
Exactly. I am not sure how anyone doesn't think there won't be a vet AND a newly drafted QB on this roster next year.
Bortles should get a head start on finding a good realtor for that beach house or rent it out to college students.
Check out your organization. If a vet QB isn't signed, Blake will be the starter next season. This franchise has screwed up twice and started a rookie before their time. They wont let it happen again. TC isn't gonna let that happen again.
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