(11-26-2018, 12:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:11 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, my dear fan...
I know you don't comprehend well but I gave a list. Bama Qbs don't translate well to the NFL.
I just went based on history. I know you know it all.
My bad for offending you.
I gave you an educated opinion based of history facts. Now let me give you one based on my personal opinion.
Tua is overrated. You want a QB, get Kyler Murray aka Baby Russell Wilson from Oklahoma.
It's not an educated opinion if you can't distinguish talent from where someone went to school.
Ryan went to BC. Brees to Purdue. Wentz to South Dakota. How many elite QBs came from those schools?
The "educated opinion" came when the QB name "
Tua" was mentioned. He plays for
ALABAMA. Not Purdue, not SD, and not BC. So therefore the basis of my "educated opinion" came from the fact that
ALABAMA has not had success in the NFL at QB.
(11-26-2018, 12:14 PM)HolsterHusto Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018, 06:17 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]I hope we do stick with him. For the sake of the future with Tua.
EXACTLY. This man gets it!
(11-26-2018, 12:11 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, my dear fan...
I know you don't comprehend well but I gave a list. Bama Qbs don't translate well to the NFL.
I just went based on history. I know you know it all.
My bad for offending you.
I gave you an educated opinion based of history facts. Now let me give you one based on my personal opinion.
Tua is overrated. You want a QB, get Kyler Murray aka Baby Russell Wilson from Oklahoma.
Kyler is 5’9” and going to play baseball. Tua is a stud. If you can’t see that then, you need to get some glasses on this beautiful Cyber Monday.
He looks good in college in a weak division like the SEC West. He's a college stud. And still young, he could progress. But, I'm not sold on the NFL upside.
Also, they thought Russ was gon play baseball too. nad I know he is short but he has talent. He prolly wont be a first or 2nd round pick but neither was Russ.
(11-26-2018, 12:24 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]It's not an educated opinion if you can't distinguish talent from where someone went to school.
Ryan went to BC. Brees to Purdue. Wentz to South Dakota. How many elite QBs came from those schools?
The "educated opinion" came when the QB name "Tua" was mentioned. He plays for ALABAMA. Not Purdue, not SD, and not BC. So therefore the basis of my "educated opinion" came from the fact that ALABAMA has not had success in the NFL at QB.
(11-26-2018, 12:14 PM)HolsterHusto Wrote: [ -> ]Kyler is 5’9” and going to play baseball. Tua is a stud. If you can’t see that then, you need to get some glasses on this beautiful Cyber Monday.
He looks good in college in a weak division like the SEC West. He's a college stud. And still young, he could progress. But, I'm not sold on the NFL upside.
Also, they thought Russ was gon play baseball too. nad I know he is short but he has talent. He prolly wont be a first or 2nd round pick but neither was Russ.
And Kyler plays in some great defensive conference?
The point of naming those QB's is to show that your school has literally nothing to do with how you will translate to the NFL. Especially at QB.
You want Russell Wilson? Tua is a left handed Wilson.
(11-26-2018, 12:26 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:24 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]The "educated opinion" came when the QB name "Tua" was mentioned. He plays for ALABAMA. Not Purdue, not SD, and not BC. So therefore the basis of my "educated opinion" came from the fact that ALABAMA has not had success in the NFL at QB.
He looks good in college in a weak division like the SEC West. He's a college stud. And still young, he could progress. But, I'm not sold on the NFL upside.
Also, they thought Russ was gon play baseball too. nad I know he is short but he has talent. He prolly wont be a first or 2nd round pick but neither was Russ.
And Kyler plays in some great defensive conference?
The point of naming those QB's is to show that your school has literally nothing to do with how you will translate to the NFL. Especially at QB.
Murray was part of my personal opinion.
Also, I never said Tua was trash, (which is what you seem like you are implying), I said that he is a college stud and I don't think he translates to the NFL.
And.
ALABAMA QBs don't do well in the NFL.
(11-26-2018, 12:34 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:26 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]And Kyler plays in some great defensive conference?
The point of naming those QB's is to show that your school has literally nothing to do with how you will translate to the NFL. Especially at QB.
Murray was part of my personal opinion.
Also, I never said Tua was trash, (which is what you seem like you are implying), I said that he is a college stud and I don't think he translates to the NFL.
And.
ALABAMA QBs don't do well in the NFL.
I'm not sure how you can think Tua will not translate but Kyler will.... Doesn't make sense at all.
To each their own I guess. I'm just never going to dismiss someone based on where they went to school. If that were the case, we should have never drafted Fred Taylor....
Tua's release is a thing of beauty to see... maybe I'm tainted by years of wind ups
Try to win with Teddy next year.
Then trade everything it costs to grab Tua the following year.
SEC West is weak??
lulz the hate for the SEC is sooo real
Anyways... OT:
There are a lot of options for QB next year in the draft. You either got one or you don't. We don't. We need to get one. If he's trash I'm not against drafting another QB high next year too.
Grier, Haskins, Lock
I'd be OK with any of these 3 in the first round.
(Assuming Herbert is either staying in school or drafted by the Giants)
(11-26-2018, 12:34 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:26 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]And Kyler plays in some great defensive conference?
The point of naming those QB's is to show that your school has literally nothing to do with how you will translate to the NFL. Especially at QB.
ALABAMA QBs don't do well in the NFL.
They haven't ever really had any good players at the position except McElroy (couple years with the Jets iirc) McCarron, and Tua.
Everyone else has been trash, or the whole program was trash for a couple decades..... lol
You find guys where you find guys. This dude only happened to go to Bama cuz that's where his daddy said to go (cuz they were already winning a lot)
He's the best QB Bama has ever had (Apologies to Namath)
speaking of which, he did pretty well in the NFL.
Baker I think is the first real successful QB from OU.
Guys come from where ever man. You gotta trust the tools and then hope your coaches know what to do with them.
Tua has everything from arm strength, to mobility, to intelligence, sound mechanics and release.
If the only issue is "He went to Bama" he has no issues.
(11-26-2018, 01:05 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ]Try to win with Teddy next year.
Then trade everything it costs to grab Tua the following year.
-.-
Suppose Nola doesn't hold on to him, what are you willing to pay the mostly unproven Teddy? Considering the money still owed to Blake (and the dead cap if he's cut).
Although I'm not opposed to trading a lot to get Tua... you think we'll be the only QB needy team in 2 years?
If Oakland doesn't move this year and Carr bombs... he's out for sure next year.
Maybe New England is finally looking for a guy then... boy the Pats getting Tua would be better than the clots landing Luck.
I'm not big on the idea of Teddy Bridgewater and even lesser on the idea of waiting until 2020 to draft Blake's replacement.
(11-26-2018, 03:01 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 01:05 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ]Try to win with Teddy next year.
Then trade everything it costs to grab Tua the following year.
-.-
Suppose Nola doesn't hold on to him, what are you willing to pay the mostly unproven Teddy? Considering the money still owed to Blake (and the dead cap if he's cut).
Although I'm not opposed to trading a lot to get Tua... you think we'll be the only QB needy team in 2 years?
If Oakland doesn't move this year and Carr bombs... he's out for sure next year.
Maybe New England is finally looking for a guy then... boy the Pats getting Tua would be better than the clots landing Luck.
I'm not big on the idea of Teddy Bridgewater and even lesser on the idea of waiting until 2020 to draft Blake's replacement.
Highly doubt the Gruden's would ever take a mobile QB so not worried about them drafting Tua. And yes wait for 2020 instead of just drafting a QB just to draft one this year. Even if you don't want to pay Teddy then you can bring in RG3 for a year or whoever.
bring in rg3 for a year? do you watch football
It probably has to be a QB in the draft purely for salary cap reasons. We can’t afford to pay a veteran.
And I’m not sure I have the enthusiasm to start watching yet another draft pick lottery.
(11-26-2018, 12:11 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Bahahahaha
Oh god.
Here we go again with the "he went to this school so he must be bad."
Why should anyone trust your QB scouting prowess?
Ah, my dear fan...
I know you don't comprehend well but I gave a list. Bama Qbs don't translate well to the NFL.
I just went based on history. I know you know it all.
My bad for offending you.
I gave you an educated opinion based of history facts. Now let me give you one based on my personal opinion.
Tua is overrated. You want a QB, get Kyler Murray aka Baby Russell Wilson from Oklahoma.
Genuinely curious. Based on your history facts, which college should we draft a QB from?
Also could make a list like that for most any school and aside from 1 maybe 2 hits. The rest will be misses. Oklahoma for example:
Jason White
Rhett Bomar
Landry Jones
Sam Bradford
Blake Bell
Trevor Knight
Baker Mayfield*
*it's still too early to tell how well his career will actually go.
(11-26-2018, 06:37 PM)roycee Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:11 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, my dear fan...
I know you don't comprehend well but I gave a list. Bama Qbs don't translate well to the NFL.
I just went based on history. I know you know it all.
My bad for offending you.
I gave you an educated opinion based of history facts. Now let me give you one based on my personal opinion.
Tua is overrated. You want a QB, get Kyler Murray aka Baby Russell Wilson from Oklahoma.
Genuinely curious. Based on your history facts, which college should we draft a QB from?
The one that has the best QB prospect.
Kessler will get an audition as well
Jay Carter 904, Saban has never had a QB prospect like Tua. Yes past Alabama QBs have been nothing but game managers. But that offense runs through Tua 90/10, whereas the other QBs it ran through their RBs 70/30. I might come back to this thread and snag a quote from one of your posts to put in my sig for all the world to see your warped reasoning for not choosing a QB based on what school he played for.
(11-26-2018, 06:37 PM)roycee Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2018, 12:11 PM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, my dear fan...
I know you don't comprehend well but I gave a list. Bama Qbs don't translate well to the NFL.
I just went based on history. I know you know it all.
My bad for offending you.
I gave you an educated opinion based of history facts. Now let me give you one based on my personal opinion.
Tua is overrated. You want a QB, get Kyler Murray aka Baby Russell Wilson from Oklahoma.
Genuinely curious. Based on your history facts, which college should we draft a QB from?
Also could make a list like that for most any school and aside from 1 maybe 2 hits. The rest will be misses. Oklahoma for example:
Jason White
Rhett Bomar
Landry Jones
Sam Bradford
Blake Bell
Trevor Knight
Baker Mayfield*
*it's still too early to tell how well his career will actually go.
Can't speak for everybody. But I look for accuracy first and foremost. Usually looking for that 64% - 70% completion percentage. Then I look at the conference they play in, the strength of schedule, the TD:INT ratios and whether or not they have a tendency to show up in big games or moments or shy away in big games or moments. Once you see all of that in their game logs or on game days you start to look at film or highlights. Pay attention to the teams they're getting higlights on and and always look at the score before you get excited.
I don't care about mobility that much. It's nice. But you win from the pocket in the NFL. Footwork, arm strength, accuracy and reputation in big games/moments is really all I pay attention to. Mayfield was highly accurate coming out of college. And I watched him school my Bulldogs in a close bowl game. I liked him throughout the year. That game was enough for me to know he would be decent or possibly excel at this level.
Watson did enough at Clemson and showed up against Alabama on the biggest stage of college football. He was accurate coming out as well. It's just a few things you have to look for.
I really like Haskins for this reason. Highly accurate, protects the football, has just recently showed up big time in a big time college rivalry game. And he's potentially going to see a few more big games to showcase his abilities. Grier looked respectable in that loss to Oklahoma on Friday night.
But he did cough it up twice for two TD's. So you hope if he does make it to the next level that he's not going to be more turnover prone than what he showed in that one. Now in fairness there was a ticky tack call on a block out of bounds that swung the momentum but you have to rise above all of that and make another play while faced with that.
Because in the NFL that [BLEEP] is only going to get worse. But we'll see.
Can’t believe Giants took Saquon... ya know because of all the Penn State running back busts.
(11-26-2018, 09:43 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd take him in a heartbeat. Patricia is probably going to want his own guy at QB and if you get Stafford and still draft a QB, I'd much rather him learn from a guy like him than BB.
Even if this proves to be the case, the salary ramifications for the Lions to move on from Matthew Stafford in 2019 seem far too great for the Lions to do so:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/l...987149002/
What happened to the clown that made this thread? We are making positive moves for the future and he is mia. One of the guys that only shows up to complain