(09-24-2019, 06:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2019, 06:27 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]IF Winshew turns out to be the real deal and not just a flash in the pan, which I think he will and we desperately deserve, I will kind of feel bad for Foles. Money aside since he's already made plenty, the poor dude finally gets another chance to be THE GUY, and lasts 5 minutes before a 6th round supplants him.
I'm sure $50m guaranteed for only 5 minutes helps ease that pain.
Well that's why I specifically said "money aside"
(09-24-2019, 07:36 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2019, 06:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure $50m guaranteed for only 5 minutes helps ease that pain.
Well that's why I specifically said "money aside"
Yea I seen it, but I don't feel sorry for him one bit. He's basically Joe Flacco, but plays in less games. Both made a boat load of $$$ for having a great 3-4 game run.
Guys, seriously, Foles has a cap hit of $22M next year. If he's cut or traded, that cap hit jumps to $33M. Short of trading someone Foles and a third round pick in exchange for a fourth and assumption of his entire contract, he's on the team next year whether Minshew winds up being Tom Brady or Craig Whelihan.
(09-25-2019, 11:51 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, seriously, Foles has a cap hit of $22M next year. If he's cut or traded, that cap hit jumps to $33M. Short of trading someone Foles and a third round pick in exchange for a fourth and assumption of his entire contract, he's on the team next year whether Minshew winds up being Tom Brady or Craig Whelihan.
So stupid by this front office.
Bidding against themselves and no one else they give a career backup a huge deal.
But then players that have played for the Jags and earned their money... get nothing.
I can see why players may feel disgruntled.
(09-25-2019, 11:51 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, seriously, Foles has a cap hit of $22M next year. If he's cut or traded, that cap hit jumps to $33M. Short of trading someone Foles and a third round pick in exchange for a fourth and assumption of his entire contract, he's on the team next year whether Minshew winds up being Tom Brady or Craig Whelihan.
They have an out
after next year that will only cost them 12.5 mil to let him go. Which is more likely.
However - I'm not certain that $33mil figure is correct if he's traded and not released.
Perhaps some capologists can chime in here, but I believe when the players is traded the former team is only due to eat that players pro-rated signing bonus money, not his annual salary. Not sure if they are still on the hook for the total guaranteed figure after a trade as opposed to a release.
(09-25-2019, 11:53 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 11:51 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, seriously, Foles has a cap hit of $22M next year. If he's cut or traded, that cap hit jumps to $33M. Short of trading someone Foles and a third round pick in exchange for a fourth and assumption of his entire contract, he's on the team next year whether Minshew winds up being Tom Brady or Craig Whelihan.
So stupid by this front office.
Bidding against themselves and no one else they give a career backup a huge deal.
But then players that have played for the Jags and earned their money... get nothing.
I can see why players may feel disgruntled.
Bolded bit has been proven patently false a dozen times here. Foles had several suitors to choose between.
He rambles a bit, so watching on a faster speed may be recommended. But interesting take.
(09-25-2019, 12:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 11:51 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, seriously, Foles has a cap hit of $22M next year. If he's cut or traded, that cap hit jumps to $33M. Short of trading someone Foles and a third round pick in exchange for a fourth and assumption of his entire contract, he's on the team next year whether Minshew winds up being Tom Brady or Craig Whelihan.
They have an out after next year that will only cost them 12.5 mil to let him go. Which is more likely.
However - I'm not certain that $33mil figure is correct if he's traded and not released.
Perhaps some capologists can chime in here, but I believe when the players is traded the former team is only due to eat that players pro-rated signing bonus money, not his annual salary. Not sure if they are still on the hook for the total guaranteed figure after a trade as opposed to a release.
(09-25-2019, 11:53 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]So stupid by this front office.
Bidding against themselves and no one else they give a career backup a huge deal.
But then players that have played for the Jags and earned their money... get nothing.
I can see why players may feel disgruntled.
Bolded bit has been proven patently false a dozen times here. Foles had several suitors to choose between.
Who else wanted him?
There was no bidding war for him.
(09-25-2019, 12:43 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 12:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]They have an out after next year that will only cost them 12.5 mil to let him go. Which is more likely.
However - I'm not certain that $33mil figure is correct if he's traded and not released.
Perhaps some capologists can chime in here, but I believe when the players is traded the former team is only due to eat that players pro-rated signing bonus money, not his annual salary. Not sure if they are still on the hook for the total guaranteed figure after a trade as opposed to a release.
Bolded bit has been proven patently false a dozen times here. Foles had several suitors to choose between.
Who else wanted him?
There was no bidding war for him.
Multiple sources confirmed he had multiple offers right after he signed with the Jags. It was well publicized. Teams were not disclosed IIRC.
In his presser Foles went on to talk about the Jags and Jax being the best place for him and his family after considering the other options. I'm not making this up.
(09-25-2019, 12:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Multiple sources confirmed he had multiple offers right after he signed with the Jags. It was well publicized. Teams were not disclosed IIRC.
In his presser Foles went on to talk about the Jags and Jax being the best place for him and his family after considering the other options. I'm not making this up.
What about the report that no team was going to pay him nearly as much as we did, but our FO thought that paying him less than $20M a year would undermine what being a "franchise QB" means?
(09-25-2019, 01:41 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 12:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Multiple sources confirmed he had multiple offers right after he signed with the Jags. It was well publicized. Teams were not disclosed IIRC.
In his presser Foles went on to talk about the Jags and Jax being the best place for him and his family after considering the other options. I'm not making this up.
What about the report that no team was going to pay him nearly as much as we did, but our FO thought that paying him less than $20M a year would undermine what being a "franchise QB" means?
I remember a report that speculated we may have paid a few million more than the next guy was offering.
And I also remember a quote from the F.O. about why they paid what they did.
And?? What about it?
I was lukewarm on the signing but I was glad they weren't sitting on their hands about the position and owned up to failing on the Bortles extension. I didn't see the contract as outrageous. A little high, maybe.
Didn't you want them to do essentially what they did with Foles two years ago with Cousins? What's the big difference?
I got a buddy at work that calls him Spike Dudley.. I googled him and sure enough lol
(09-25-2019, 01:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 01:41 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]What about the report that no team was going to pay him nearly as much as we did, but our FO thought that paying him less than $20M a year would undermine what being a "franchise QB" means?
I remember a report that speculated we may have paid a few million more than the next guy was offering.
And I also remember a quote from the F.O. about why they paid what they did.
And?? What about it?
I think the lack of other teams wanting to pay him commensurate with other franchise QBs means that their interest was in a backup role, or maybe as a modestly paid bridge guy for a team that drafted their QB of the future that year. I'm skeptical that any other team was wanting to hand him the keys to the franchise for a few years like we were.
(09-25-2019, 02:39 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 01:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I remember a report that speculated we may have paid a few million more than the next guy was offering.
And I also remember a quote from the F.O. about why they paid what they did.
And?? What about it?
I think the lack of other teams wanting to pay him commensurate with other franchise QBs means that their interest was in a backup role, or maybe as a modestly paid bridge guy for a team that drafted their QB of the future that year. I'm skeptical that any other team was wanting to hand him the keys to the franchise for a few years like we were.
That and $6 will get you a starbucks latte.
(09-25-2019, 02:42 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 02:39 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I think the lack of other teams wanting to pay him commensurate with other franchise QBs means that their interest was in a backup role, or maybe as a modestly paid bridge guy for a team that drafted their QB of the future that year. I'm skeptical that any other team was wanting to hand him the keys to the franchise for a few years like we were.
That and $6 will get you a starbucks latte.
It's pretty clear the front office is incompetent or just plain stupid when they decide, arbitrarily, to gift a QB with 3-4 extra million dollars to make him feel good about himself. Whereas players that actually play for your team and work their butt off get nothing.
It's a business. He wasn't worth what they paid him.. so at the end of the day it's a terrible business decision.
(09-25-2019, 02:54 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 02:42 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]That and $6 will get you a starbucks latte.
It's pretty clear the front office is incompetent or just plain stupid when they decide, arbitrarily, to gift a QB with 3-4 extra million dollars to make him feel good about himself. Whereas players that actually play for your team and work their butt off get nothing.
It's a business. He wasn't worth what they paid him.. so at the end of the day it's a terrible business decision.
Yeah, You're making up numbers. No one actually knows what the nearest offer was and free agents routinely get grossly overpaid. Whether he got $50 mil guaranteed instead of $42 mil guaranteed ain't gonna' break this franchise.
I've got plenty of gripes with the front office. Foles and his paycheck ain't one of 'em.
(09-25-2019, 03:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 02:54 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's pretty clear the front office is incompetent or just plain stupid when they decide, arbitrarily, to gift a QB with 3-4 extra million dollars to make him feel good about himself. Whereas players that actually play for your team and work their butt off get nothing.
It's a business. He wasn't worth what they paid him.. so at the end of the day it's a terrible business decision.
Yeah, You're making up numbers. No one actually knows what the nearest offer was and free agents routinely get grossly overpaid. Whether he got $50 mil guaranteed instead of $42 mil guaranteed ain't gonna' break this franchise.
I've got plenty of gripes with the front office. Foles and his paycheck ain't one of 'em.
There was definitely other teams interested. If you remember the Eagles were thinking of tagging him and keeping his a backup and then Foles asked them not to. Denver were interested but thought he was going to stay and traded for Flacco before he asked to leave. I think Oakland may have been in the mix and Washington but they got Keenum.
And I do remember someone from the FO saying they paid Foles a few million more than they could have so he would feel respected.
I'm loving Minshew Mania but did you see the throw he got injured on? The guy is a SB MVP! I agree, let's give him at least 1 full Q before we judge the guy and call him.a bust.
(09-25-2019, 02:54 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 02:42 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]That and $6 will get you a starbucks latte.
It's pretty clear the front office is incompetent or just plain stupid when they decide, arbitrarily, to gift a QB with 3-4 extra million dollars to make him feel good about himself. Whereas players that actually play for your team and work their butt off get nothing.
It's a business. He wasn't worth what they paid him.. so at the end of the day it's a terrible business decision.
You don't know any of that for sure, it's nothing but conjecture and opinion.
(09-25-2019, 03:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2019, 02:54 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's pretty clear the front office is incompetent or just plain stupid when they decide, arbitrarily, to gift a QB with 3-4 extra million dollars to make him feel good about himself. Whereas players that actually play for your team and work their butt off get nothing.
It's a business. He wasn't worth what they paid him.. so at the end of the day it's a terrible business decision.
Yeah, You're making up numbers. No one actually knows what the nearest offer was and free agents routinely get grossly overpaid. Whether he got $50 mil guaranteed instead of $42 mil guaranteed ain't gonna' break this franchise.
I've got plenty of gripes with the front office. Foles and his paycheck ain't one of 'em.
I remember the report saying we could have gotten him for 16 but decided to up it 20 a year to make him feel like a franchise QB.
It's a stupid business decision.
He's a backup.