(08-08-2021, 10:34 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I know that Treadwell has looked good and all, but we have such a big sample of him being trash that I still don't want to keep him based on a tiny sample of practices and risk losing Camp if we put him on the practice squad. By all accounts he has looked very good too. The tiny amount of plays that Treadwell could possibly make when we have our full WR squad playing is not worth that risk to me.
It would be far worse if they kept someone like Dorrsett over Camp. I think Camp gets snatched off our PS at some point 100%. Just like Lazard did. I want Camp on this 53 man roster.
Problem is there's a big battle for that 5th and 6th WR spot. I like Treadwell and all, but for the exact reasons you said, we've gotten a much better sample size on him than we do Collin Johnson or Camp. Maybe he's seen the light or something, but I think 5 years of sample size trumps a week worth of training camp.
I think it's pretty obvious that Chark, Shenault, Jones and Agnew are locks to make the team. That leaves 2 WR spots up for grabs. I'm really hoping it's Johnson and Camp that round out the top 6.
I know there's a lot of publicity about the throw TL made across the field to Treadwell, but to me, the most impressive throw he made was the one to O'Shaughnessy for a touchdown. That window was exactly the width of the football.
(08-08-2021, 10:50 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]At this point, the risk is minimal.
Based upon everything I had read on him, he had a good work ethic and no off field issues.
We didn't spend a first round pick on him-or any pick for that matter.
To me, the biggest risk with him is he costs us Collin Johnson, who doesn't have the negative baggage associated with him that Treadwell has, and who is younger and possibly still developing.
(08-09-2021, 01:04 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 10:34 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I know that Treadwell has looked good and all, but we have such a big sample of him being trash that I still don't want to keep him based on a tiny sample of practices and risk losing Camp if we put him on the practice squad. By all accounts he has looked very good too. The tiny amount of plays that Treadwell could possibly make when we have our full WR squad playing is not worth that risk to me.
It would be far worse if they kept someone like Dorrsett over Camp. I think Camp gets snatched off our PS at some point 100%. Just like Lazard did. I want Camp on this 53 man roster.
Problem is there's a big battle for that 5th and 6th WR spot. I like Treadwell and all, but for the exact reasons you said, we've gotten a much better sample size on him than we do Collin Johnson or Camp. Maybe he's seen the light or something, but I think 5 years of sample size trumps a week worth of training camp.
I think it's pretty obvious that Chark, Shenault, Jones and Agnew are locks to make the team. That leaves 2 WR spots up for grabs. I'm really hoping it's Johnson and Camp that round out the top 6.
Yes, Collin and Camp should be our 5th and 6th WRs...and there is also room to keep a 7th if they are just that enamored with Treadwell. Don't keep 3 QBs, keep 7 WRs. Ezpz. Don't expose Camp to the rest of the league.
(08-09-2021, 08:20 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 10:50 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]At this point, the risk is minimal.
Based upon everything I had read on him, he had a good work ethic and no off field issues.
We didn't spend a first round pick on him-or any pick for that matter.
To me, the biggest risk with him is he costs us Collin Johnson, who doesn't have the negative baggage associated with him that Treadwell has, and who is younger and possibly still developing.
(08-09-2021, 01:04 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be far worse if they kept someone like Dorrsett over Camp. I think Camp gets snatched off our PS at some point 100%. Just like Lazard did. I want Camp on this 53 man roster.
Problem is there's a big battle for that 5th and 6th WR spot. I like Treadwell and all, but for the exact reasons you said, we've gotten a much better sample size on him than we do Collin Johnson or Camp. Maybe he's seen the light or something, but I think 5 years of sample size trumps a week worth of training camp.
I think it's pretty obvious that Chark, Shenault, Jones and Agnew are locks to make the team. That leaves 2 WR spots up for grabs. I'm really hoping it's Johnson and Camp that round out the top 6.
Yes, Collin and Camp should be our 5th and 6th WRs...and there is also room to keep a 7th if they are just that enamored with Treadwell. Don't keep 3 QBs, keep 7 WRs. Ezpz. Don't expose Camp to the rest of the league.
Granted I do not know the scheme or the personnel requirements, but based on the information we have about the people on the roster, I'd almost rather keep a 7th WR over a 3rd/4th TE, barring the acquisition of a guy like Ertz or Njoku.
(08-09-2021, 08:20 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 10:50 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]At this point, the risk is minimal.
Based upon everything I had read on him, he had a good work ethic and no off field issues.
We didn't spend a first round pick on him-or any pick for that matter.
To me, the biggest risk with him is he costs us Collin Johnson, who doesn't have the negative baggage associated with him that Treadwell has, and who is younger and possibly still developing.
(08-09-2021, 01:04 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be far worse if they kept someone like Dorrsett over Camp. I think Camp gets snatched off our PS at some point 100%. Just like Lazard did. I want Camp on this 53 man roster.
Problem is there's a big battle for that 5th and 6th WR spot. I like Treadwell and all, but for the exact reasons you said, we've gotten a much better sample size on him than we do Collin Johnson or Camp. Maybe he's seen the light or something, but I think 5 years of sample size trumps a week worth of training camp.
I think it's pretty obvious that Chark, Shenault, Jones and Agnew are locks to make the team. That leaves 2 WR spots up for grabs. I'm really hoping it's Johnson and Camp that round out the top 6.
Yes, Collin and Camp should be our 5th and 6th WRs...and there is also room to keep a 7th if they are just that enamored with Treadwell. Don't keep 3 QBs, keep 7 WRs. Ezpz. Don't expose Camp to the rest of the league.
I think Johnson and Agnew are locks as well. Collin was productive last year and has shown out in training camp. Agnew plays defense, offense, and special teams (punt defense and punt returner). I think it’s Camp and Treadwell for spot 6. I’d lean Camp because he’s not going to survive the practice squad and Treadwell has had a history of not performing.
I don't think Johnson is a lock. It looks like there's competition for the last 2 spots. That should be a good thing even when someone with potential is cut. Maybe he isn't all that great then?
As of today I think there are about a dozen spots still open. Not counting injury or China virus I think the following fortytwo are locks:
QB: Lawrence, Minshew
RB: Robinson, Etienne
WR: M Jones, Chark, Shenault, Agnew
TE: O'Shaugnessy, Manherz, Farrell
OL: Robinson, Norwell, Linder, Cann, Taylor, Little, Shatley, Bartch
DL: Robertson-Harris, Brown, Hamilton, Ward, Gotsis, Tufele
LB: Allen, Chaisson, Jack. Schobert, Smoot, Wilson
CB: Griffin, Henderson, Campbell, Herndon, Jones
S: Jenkins, Cisco, Jones
K: Lambo
P: Cooke
LS: Matiscik
Of couse I could have forgotten someone but it just reduces the number of open spots.
I listened to someone in media compare Meyer's approach so far to Chip Kelly and what he did with his uptempo practices. .
Wr can get hurt a lot easier and more often in my opinion. I would also go with 2 qbs and keep any wr that you dont want another team to steal. Luton sucks. Other guy the jags signed was a waste of money.
(08-09-2021, 05:12 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2021, 03:47 PM)Black and Teal Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/1010xl/status/142481...73539?s=21
I don't know if that's a good thing, or a bad thing.
It's a good thing. It's okay to admit that a player drafted by Caldwell may actually develop into a good player when used correctly in the proper scheme.
(08-10-2021, 12:34 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2021, 05:12 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know if that's a good thing, or a bad thing.
It's a good thing. It's okay to admit that a player drafted by Caldwell may actually develop into a good player when used correctly in the proper scheme.
I think it's more along the lines of how some people have spun their opinion on the matter so they can blame something either way.
If Chaisson has a good day, that means the OL is terrible.
If he has a bad day that means he's a complete bust.
Both are dumb ways to look at it, but that's definitely how some on here are spinning it.
And this isn't directed right at Marty, I'm just talking in general.
(08-10-2021, 01:34 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2021, 12:34 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]It's a good thing. It's okay to admit that a player drafted by Caldwell may actually develop into a good player when used correctly in the proper scheme.
I think it's more along the lines of how some people have spun their opinion on the matter so they can blame something either way.
If Chaisson has a good day, that means the OL is terrible.
If he has a bad day that means he's a complete bust.
Both are dumb ways to look at it, but that's definitely how some on here are spinning it.
And this isn't directed right at Marty, I'm just talking in general.
I have no idea how Chaisson is gonna look. I read articles singing his praises for what he's done in camp and others which say he's been dominated. I'm gonna reserve my judgement until I see him in actual competition against opposing teams. Hopefully, that is when he will shine. Fingers crossed.
(08-10-2021, 01:34 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2021, 12:34 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]It's a good thing. It's okay to admit that a player drafted by Caldwell may actually develop into a good player when used correctly in the proper scheme.
I think it's more along the lines of how some people have spun their opinion on the matter so they can blame something either way.
If Chaisson has a good day, that means the OL is terrible.
If he has a bad day that means he's a complete bust.
Both are dumb ways to look at it, but that's definitely how some on here are spinning it.
And this isn't directed right at Marty, I'm just talking in general.
When I said, I don't know if Chaisson having a great day is a good or a bad thing, what I meant was-
In training camp, going up against your own guys, on every great play, there is a winner and a loser. One of our guys won, and one of our guys lost. If Chaisson beat Cam Robinson or Walker Little four times, for four hypothetical sacks, is that good or bad? Someone on our team got four sacks, great. Someone else on our team gave up four sacks, not so great.
That's all I meant. I'm on record liking the Chaisson pick from the very beginning. I recall after that draft I said Chaisson was my favorite pick of that draft. I'm not trying to downgrade the guy. I'm glad he did well. But apparently, someone else on our team didn't do so well.
^^ that's why it will be good to start watching something a lot better than practice this Saturday night. As much as I dont like preseason games, I'm actually looking forward to it this season.
(08-10-2021, 05:28 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]^^ that's why it will be good to start watching something a lot better than practice this Saturday night. As much as I dont like preseason games, I'm actually looking forward to it this season.
The problem with that-at least traditionally-is that in the first preseason game, the truly elite players don't play much.
In this case, we play Cleveland.
While Myles Garrett and, to a lesser degree Jadeveon Clowney, would be excellent tests for our tackles, I don't think Garrett will see a snap in that game. I don't see Cleveland risking him when they are a playoff contender. At most, he plays a series or two.
Our tackles going up against their backups shouldn't be too much different than going up against Chaisson. It'll be a test of sorts because they are different guys they don't see every day, with different body types, I'm not sure how much more insight we'll gain about our tackles this Saturday.
(08-10-2021, 01:59 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (08-10-2021, 01:34 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's more along the lines of how some people have spun their opinion on the matter so they can blame something either way.
If Chaisson has a good day, that means the OL is terrible.
If he has a bad day that means he's a complete bust.
Both are dumb ways to look at it, but that's definitely how some on here are spinning it.
And this isn't directed right at Marty, I'm just talking in general.
I have no idea how Chaisson is gonna look. I read articles singing his praises for what he's done in camp and others which say he's been dominated. I'm gonna reserve my judgement until I see him in actual competition against opposing teams. Hopefully, that is when he will shine. Fingers crossed.
Unless Chaisson is going up against Cleveand's starting Ts this Saturday, I'm not sure how much of a barometer the game will be. I can't see how him going up against Cam Robinson, Jawaan Taylor, or for that matter even Walker Little can be seen as much different than him going up against the Browns' backups.
I think if Chaisson went up against Jedrick Wills or Jack Conklin and beat either of them, that would be far more of an indication of his progress than him beating Alex Taylor and James Hudson.
(08-10-2021, 05:46 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with that-at least traditionally-is that in the first preseason game, the truly elite players don't play much.
Hopefully this will be less true since there are only 3 preseason games now. I think teams will keep giving most starters the final preseason game off to rest up for the regular season so that gives only two preseason games for tuning up