(08-08-2021, 01:39 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 01:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]His "want to play" was more the reason than "he was hurt" for his missed time last year. He was suffering from "Ramsey's Strain".
Yes, that's what my quip means, that one success in a sea of failures doesn't change the overall outcome. You know this.
So, Bobby McCray, and Willie Jackson? I wonder how many exceptions we can have and still "prove the rule." Now if the statement had been "gators hardly ever live up to their draft status with the Jaguars," that I might go along with. But I do know English and I do know what the word "never" means.
But with that in mind, I would add, we've had a lot of players who failed to live up to their draft status. Not just gators.
In fairness to you, the only thing you needed to do was negate the original statement was to name one player.
You did that.
In fairness to flsportsgod, Willie Jackson was not a Jaguars draft pick in the truest sense.
He was originally drafted by the Cowboys, and wound up a Jaguar during the expansion draft. Bobby McCray wound up being no great shakes for us, either. I was a fan of his and thought he had potential to be an outstanding pass rusher, but he only had that one year.
(08-08-2021, 01:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 01:15 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He was great in college, has all the tools, and showed week 1 what's he's capable of as a rookie. He got hurt and missed over the whole 2md half of the season. He's just got to stay healthy and want to play
So he’s had 1 good game as a pro and yet he’s a great corner? Interesting.
I am detecting a pattern.
Was out there today. So hot!
Some takes:
Trevor looked great. Threw some great passes, consistent, lasers. For the most part good decision making.
I think O'shaugnesy looks the part of our TE1. Caught a threaded laser for a TD in between defenders, while going to the ground. Seems faster compared to the other TE's. As much as I love a good underdog story, and love Tebow as a person, I can't see how he makes the team. To his defense, he caught a few balls today, even what appeared to be a one-handed catch. But his cuts in his routes are lacking, and appears to lack the quickness necessary to get away from a defender. He was gassed by the end of practice.
Narrowing down the receivers to keep might difficult, as several newer receivers made some decent catches. Tevin Jones had an spectacular one handed end zone catch. Treadwell has an amazing diving fingertip catch for about 35 yards. But he also dropped a TD pass in the end zone.
Etienne looked great in his receptions. Had a great 1 handed catch as well. Hard to tell how would have done on the ground as there was no contact during practice (except when Wingard lost his way).
Jamal Agnew looked sharp during drills, good quickness and route running, but with no contact, hard to evaluate the returns.
Tyson Campell and Griffin had some nice pass breakups.
Scrimmage started to get boring after watching Luton and Beatherd throw passes against a defense that was just standing around.
Good recap. Thanks for the post.
You’re the second person to mention a lack of quickness for the great athlete Tim Tebow.
(08-08-2021, 01:49 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 01:39 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So, Bobby McCray, and Willie Jackson? I wonder how many exceptions we can have and still "prove the rule." Now if the statement had been "gators hardly ever live up to their draft status with the Jaguars," that I might go along with. But I do know English and I do know what the word "never" means.
But with that in mind, I would add, we've had a lot of players who failed to live up to their draft status. Not just gators.
In fairness to you, the only thing you needed to do was negate the original statement was to name one player.
You did that.
In fairness to flsportsgod, Willie Jackson was not a Jaguars draft pick in the truest sense.
He was originally drafted by the Cowboys, and wound up a Jaguar during the expansion draft. Bobby McCray wound up being no great shakes for us, either. I was a fan of his and thought he had potential to be an outstanding pass rusher, but he only had that one year.
(08-08-2021, 01:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]So he’s had 1 good game as a pro and yet he’s a great corner? Interesting.
I am detecting a pattern
I would never ever draft these positions from Florida in the 1st round.
QB, WR, CB , DE, DT, and S
(08-08-2021, 02:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Good recap. Thanks for the post.
You’re the second person to mention a lack of quickness for the great athlete Tim Tebow.
This is obviously impossible, as he is a world class, multi-sport athlete. Our TE room is so awful that he immediately jumps to the top of the list. Actually, he doesn't need to jump, even metaphorically, as he can levitate.
So CJ has less than one year of starts, has had Covid, and is dealing with some sort of personal issue (possibly depression, saw a link with his liked tweets-kinda sad) and he's the same as Jalen the fake injury quitter punk?
Hahahaha the gata haters are out in full force already.
What a bunch of morons.
(08-08-2021, 03:09 PM)iam Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 01:49 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]In fairness to you, the only thing you needed to do was negate the original statement was to name one player.
You did that.
In fairness to flsportsgod, Willie Jackson was not a Jaguars draft pick in the truest sense.
He was originally drafted by the Cowboys, and wound up a Jaguar during the expansion draft. Bobby McCray wound up being no great shakes for us, either. I was a fan of his and thought he had potential to be an outstanding pass rusher, but he only had that one year.
I am detecting a pattern
I would never ever draft these positions from Florida in the 1st round.
QB, WR, CB , DE, DT, and S
Well considering you'll never be a GM no worries there.
Trevor is as advertised. Eteine will make a lot of plays as a receiver this year. And Tebow shouldn’t make the roster. Slow and bad routes.
Manhertz despite the drops actually looked the quickest of the bunch.
(08-08-2021, 03:09 PM)iam Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 01:49 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]In fairness to you, the only thing you needed to do was negate the original statement was to name one player.
You did that.
In fairness to flsportsgod, Willie Jackson was not a Jaguars draft pick in the truest sense.
He was originally drafted by the Cowboys, and wound up a Jaguar during the expansion draft. Bobby McCray wound up being no great shakes for us, either. I was a fan of his and thought he had potential to be an outstanding pass rusher, but he only had that one year.
I am detecting a pattern
I would never ever draft these positions from Florida in the 1st round.
QB, WR, CB , DE, DT, and S
I am a big believer in colleges producing players.
That said, I would take DEs from Florida in the first round (Kearse, Carter...Dunlap was not a first rounder but based on his production, you could have justified taking him in the fiirst. I would also consider a taking a DT, though I really can't think of one besides Gerard Warren.
Positions I would definitely consider drafting in the 1st from Florida include RB, OL, and LB.
I would tend to avoid WRs from UF, though Percy Harvin was definitely worth the 1st round investment, IMO.
(08-08-2021, 05:28 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdhirLz5U4E
Treadwell is in the hunt for a spot.
TLs interview made me smile.
As for Treadwell, he's in contention for a roster spot...straight from the horse's mouth.
Though I am far from certain, I think should he ascend to the 5th or 5th WR spot, that means Collin Johnson is likely out.
That would be unfortunate, IMO.
I was really hopeful after the end of last year and with Jimmy Smith's take on his abilities. He is a guy I think would land on another roster were he to get cut. That said, if Treadwell can make the 53 man roster, I sincerely hope he can realize the potential the Vikings saw in him.
(08-08-2021, 01:39 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 01:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]His "want to play" was more the reason than "he was hurt" for his missed time last year. He was suffering from "Ramsey's Strain".
Yes, that's what my quip means, that one success in a sea of failures doesn't change the overall outcome. You know this.
So, Bobby McCray, and Willie Jackson? I wonder how many exceptions we can have and still "prove the rule." Now if the statement had been "gators hardly ever live up to their draft status with the Jaguars," that I might go along with. But I do know English and I do know what the word "never" means. "Never" does not come with any possibility of an exception.
But with that in mind, I would add, we've had a lot of players who failed to live up to their draft status. Not just gators.
Lol, Willie Jackson was a 4th round pick (of the Cowboys btw) who played for a half dozen teams and got about 3,000 yards receiving in his career. If you are serious about this take then there's not much else I can do but laugh at it. The bottom line is that taking gata players in the draft has worked out for our team exactly once in 25 years.
(08-08-2021, 02:29 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Was out there today. So hot!
Some takes:
Trevor looked great. Threw some great passes, consistent, lasers. For the most part good decision making.
I think O'shaugnesy looks the part of our TE1. Caught a threaded laser for a TD in between defenders, while going to the ground. Seems faster compared to the other TE's. As much as I love a good underdog story, and love Tebow as a person, I can't see how he makes the team. To his defense, he caught a few balls today, even what appeared to be a one-handed catch. But his cuts in his routes are lacking, and appears to lack the quickness necessary to get away from a defender. He was gassed by the end of practice.
Narrowing down the receivers to keep might difficult, as several newer receivers made some decent catches. Tevin Jones had an spectacular one handed end zone catch. Treadwell has an amazing diving fingertip catch for about 35 yards. But he also dropped a TD pass in the end zone.
Etienne looked great in his receptions. Had a great 1 handed catch as well. Hard to tell how would have done on the ground as there was no contact during practice (except when Wingard lost his way).
Jamal Agnew looked sharp during drills, good quickness and route running, but with no contact, hard to evaluate the returns.
Tyson Campell and Griffin had some nice pass breakups.
Scrimmage started to get boring after watching Luton and Beatherd throw passes against a defense that was just standing around.
Thanks for the recap!
(08-08-2021, 07:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 01:39 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So, Bobby McCray, and Willie Jackson? I wonder how many exceptions we can have and still "prove the rule." Now if the statement had been "gators hardly ever live up to their draft status with the Jaguars," that I might go along with. But I do know English and I do know what the word "never" means. "Never" does not come with any possibility of an exception.
But with that in mind, I would add, we've had a lot of players who failed to live up to their draft status. Not just gators.
Lol, Willie Jackson was a 4th round pick (of the Cowboys btw) who played for a half dozen teams and got about 3,000 yards receiving in his career. If you are serious about this take then there's not much else I can do but laugh at it. The bottom line is that taking gata players in the draft has worked out for our team exactly once in 25 years.
But is that because the Gators don't produce good players, we pick the wrong ones, or don't develop them and ruin those we take?
I submit had we taken either of the Pouncey twins, they would have been good first round picks.
Now does there seem to be a high bust rate for gators taken in the first round? Yes.
Unfortunately, our team has a long, storied history of taking the wrong players, irrespective of college (Alualu, Gabbert, Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, Bryan Anger, et al.)
(08-08-2021, 07:49 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 02:29 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Was out there today. So hot!
Some takes:
Trevor looked great. Threw some great passes, consistent, lasers. For the most part good decision making.
I think O'shaugnesy looks the part of our TE1. Caught a threaded laser for a TD in between defenders, while going to the ground. Seems faster compared to the other TE's. As much as I love a good underdog story, and love Tebow as a person, I can't see how he makes the team. To his defense, he caught a few balls today, even what appeared to be a one-handed catch. But his cuts in his routes are lacking, and appears to lack the quickness necessary to get away from a defender. He was gassed by the end of practice.
Narrowing down the receivers to keep might difficult, as several newer receivers made some decent catches. Tevin Jones had an spectacular one handed end zone catch. Treadwell has an amazing diving fingertip catch for about 35 yards. But he also dropped a TD pass in the end zone.
Etienne looked great in his receptions. Had a great 1 handed catch as well. Hard to tell how would have done on the ground as there was no contact during practice (except when Wingard lost his way).
Jamal Agnew looked sharp during drills, good quickness and route running, but with no contact, hard to evaluate the returns.
Tyson Campell and Griffin had some nice pass breakups.
Scrimmage started to get boring after watching Luton and Beatherd throw passes against a defense that was just standing around.
Thanks for the recap!
(08-08-2021, 07:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, Willie Jackson was a 4th round pick (of the Cowboys btw) who played for a half dozen teams and got about 3,000 yards receiving in his career. If you are serious about this take then there's not much else I can do but laugh at it. The bottom line is that taking gata players in the draft has worked out for our team exactly once in 25 years.
But is that because the Gators don't produce good players, we pick the wrong ones, or don't develop them and ruin those we take?
I submit had we taken either of the Pouncey twins, they would have been good first round picks.
Now does there seem to be a high bust rate for gators taken in the first round? Yes.
Unfortunately, our team has a long, storied history of taking the wrong players, irrespective of college (Alualu, Gabbert, Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, Bryan Anger, et al.)
I think the answer is a resounding "yes."
(08-08-2021, 08:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2021, 07:49 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the recap!
But is that because the Gators don't produce good players, we pick the wrong ones, or don't develop them and ruin those we take?
I submit had we taken either of the Pouncey twins, they would have been good first round picks.
Now does there seem to be a high bust rate for gators taken in the first round? Yes.
Unfortunately, our team has a long, storied history of taking the wrong players, irrespective of college (Alualu, Gabbert, Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, Bryan Anger, et al.)
I think the answer is a resounding "yes."
Sadly, you are right on the money with that.
(08-08-2021, 03:09 PM)iam Wrote: [ -> ]I would never ever draft these positions from Florida in the 1st round.
QB, WR, CB , DE, DT, and S
There are plenty of good UF 1st rounders since the Jags have become a franichse. It would be a terrible rule to exclude an entire school because of past misses.
My hypothesis is that we put some kind of subconscious geographical grade boost to them so the ones that we wind up with have been overdrafted in general, whereas the rest of the league doesn't have that hometown bias and takes the player closer to where their talent warrants.
I know that Treadwell has looked good and all, but we have such a big sample of him being trash that I still don't want to keep him based on a tiny sample of practices and risk losing Camp if we put him on the practice squad. By all accounts he has looked very good too. The tiny amount of plays that Treadwell could possibly make when we have our full WR squad playing is not worth that risk to me.
(08-08-2021, 10:34 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I know that Treadwell has looked good and all, but we have such a big sample of him being trash that I still don't want to keep him based on a tiny sample of practices and risk losing Camp if we put him on the practice squad. By all accounts he has looked very good too. The tiny amount of plays that Treadwell could possibly make when we have our full WR squad playing is not worth that risk to me.
At this point, the risk is minimal.
Based upon everything I had read on him, he had a good work ethic and no off field issues.
We didn't spend a first round pick on him-or any pick for that matter.
To me, the biggest risk with him is he costs us Collin Johnson, who doesn't have the negative baggage associated with him that Treadwell has, and who is younger and possibly still developing.