(02-06-2024, 02:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/Demetrius82/status/1754872...76838?s=20
Wouldn't hurt. Hopefully they can work on something to lower his cap hit. Would hate entering training camp without him and then having to rely on Walker Little and/or an additional rookie. Unless they allocate enough cap space to maybe sign a new LT in March that's solid.
I'm on the other side of keeping Cam, unless he agrees to restructure at team friendly amount. This is why they drafted Little and Harrison. I'm just not ready to give up on Walker Little and I'd still draft two players during the first 2 days who can compete at tackle as well as guard. This may be the deepest draft regarding offensive linemen in a long while. Daniel Jeremiah has 11 linemen among his top 50 players. In order to pay high-priced players like Josh Allen and Lawrence, the Jaguars must part ways with average or slightly better than average players who are overpaid and can be adequately replaced. Robinson falls into this group along with Scherff, Jenkins and Fatukasi.
I’m on the bandwagon of cutting Robinson for the cap savings, moving Harrison to LT and drafting one of the big, physical RT’s in the 1st.
Center, Guard and Corner via free agency.
(02-06-2024, 05:49 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-06-2024, 04:32 PM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m on the bandwagon of cutting Robinson for the cap savings, moving Harrison to LT and drafting one of the big, physical RT’s in the 1st.
Center, Guard and Corner via free agency.
Also a fan of this.
Not a bad strategy, depending on how FA goes. Many players on the current FA list will never hit the market. Others will be priced out of our reach. It is going to be an interesting time coming up.
(02-06-2024, 04:32 PM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m on the bandwagon of cutting Robinson for the cap savings, moving Harrison to LT and drafting one of the big, physical RT’s in the 1st.
Center, Guard and Corner via free agency.
Same here, on the proviso we also spend other high draft picks on guard/center if we don’t fill them in FA
(02-07-2024, 05:57 AM)Dockerill91 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-06-2024, 04:32 PM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m on the bandwagon of cutting Robinson for the cap savings, moving Harrison to LT and drafting one of the big, physical RT’s in the 1st.
Center, Guard and Corner via free agency.
Same here, on the proviso we also spend other high draft picks on guard/center if we don’t fill them in FA
I hate creating holes that we are forced to address in early rounds as opposed to trying to fill existing ones.
So here is the question. What contract would Cam Robinson get in the FA market? Would it be better than Juwaan Taylor's last year?
(02-07-2024, 04:18 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]So here is the question. What contract would Cam Robinson get in the FA market? Would it be better than Juwaan Taylor's last year?
No. Taylor's contract is a reminder as to why you don't overpay for relatively unproven commodities. They wanted him to play LT, threw a bunch of money at him, ultimately moved him to RT and he struggled further.
Robinson has a few glaring issues. Number one being, his durability. He's played one full season in seven years since being in the NFL. He now has the PED mark on his career, which, that could also hurt teams looking to trust him in the short term or long term.
His age is also working against him. He'll be 29 about mid season this year. When you get into PFF grading. He's a 65.4 on the year. With missed time and injuries. He would probably get a 2 to 3 year deal for less than $33M in my opinion. Depending on the team and situation. He's not great, he's not good. He's just mid level with a lot of durability concerns and character concerns.
(02-07-2024, 04:18 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]So here is the question. What contract would Cam Robinson get in the FA market? Would it be better than Juwaan Taylor's last year?
If I were Cam's agent it would be one of the contracts I point to as my floor. Cam is WAAAAAAAY better than the flag magnet.
Biggest ding on Cam's resume is that Taylor usually finishes a season.
(02-07-2024, 05:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-07-2024, 04:18 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]So here is the question. What contract would Cam Robinson get in the FA market? Would it be better than Juwaan Taylor's last year?
No. Taylor's contract is a reminder as to why you don't overpay for relatively unproven commodities. They wanted him to play LT, threw a bunch of money at him, ultimately moved him to RT and he struggled further.
Robinson has a few glaring issues. Number one being, his durability. He's played one full season in seven years since being in the NFL. He now has the PED mark on his career, which, that could also hurt teams looking to trust him in the short term or long term.
His age is also working against him. He'll be 29 about mid season this year. When you get into PFF grading. He's a 65.4 on the year. With missed time and injuries. He would probably get a 2 to 3 year deal for less than $33M in my opinion. Depending on the team and situation. He's not great, he's not good. He's just mid level with a lot of durability concerns and character concerns.
Dumb question that popped up in my brain - if Cam gets a bunch of active roster bonus on his next deal, can the team claim that bonus money as NLTBE (not likely to be earned)? That wouldn't count toward the cap if they could make their case.
(02-06-2024, 04:32 PM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m on the bandwagon of cutting Robinson for the cap savings, moving Harrison to LT and drafting one of the big, physical RT’s in the 1st.
Center, Guard and Corner via free agency.
Really not a fan of this. Moved Linder off of G when he was all-pro level just so he was a good C. Leave guys where they are excelling and just hit on your picks. Cam is a good LT, restructure and draft a C. We would be infinitely better with anyone not named Fortner at C
(02-08-2024, 10:57 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-06-2024, 04:32 PM)wg171 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m on the bandwagon of cutting Robinson for the cap savings, moving Harrison to LT and drafting one of the big, physical RT’s in the 1st.
Center, Guard and Corner via free agency.
Really not a fan of this. Moved Linder off of G when he was all-pro level just so he was a good C. Leave guys where they are excelling and just hit on your picks. Cam is a good LT, restructure and draft a C. We would be infinitely better with anyone not named Fortner at C
Harrison is a better LT than RT, so I'm not opposed to him being the future at the position but I don't want to cut Cam this year and create another hole.
(02-09-2024, 09:22 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2024, 06:57 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...2669802635
Is that saying they were the worst by failing to gain even a single yard 23.5% of the time? i think that's what it means but it's not clear.x
According to the site cited in the tweet (which is a fantasy stat tracking database) yes, that is what that is saying.
73.5% of our rushes went for one yard or more. Last in the league.
The other stats listed are scary bad too.
Flipping over to another site, I found splits showing that on 3rd down we ran the ball only 57 times in 2023.
(that in itself shows a complete lack of trust by the staff in the run game)
And of those 57 attempts - only 20 of them were converted to a first down. (zero TDs by rushing on 3rd D)
It is important to note that those 57 3rd down rushes were comprised of only 40 actual RB touches.
17 of them were handled by the QB.
For Jags fans that were watching in the 90's and knew what they were watching - it seems unfathomable for a Jaguars rushing attack to be unable to convert 3rd and short with a run play seemingly at will.
It is hard for me to imagine a Jags run game so anemic that we only converted twenty 3rd downs in seventeen games by running the football.
(02-10-2024, 10:29 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2024, 09:22 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Is that saying they were the worst by failing to gain even a single yard 23.5% of the time? i think that's what it means but it's not clear.x
According to the site cited in the tweet (which is a fantasy stat tracking database) yes, that is what that is saying.
73.5% of our rushes went for one yard or more. Last in the league.
The other stats listed are scary bad too.
Flipping over to another site, I found splits showing that on 3rd down we ran the ball only 57 times in 2023.
(that in itself shows a complete lack of trust by the staff in the run game)
And of those 57 attempts - only 20 of them were converted to a first down. (zero TDs by rushing on 3rd D)
It is important to note that those 57 3rd down rushes were comprised of only 40 actual RB touches.
17 of them were handled by the QB.
For Jags fans that were watching in the 90's and knew what they were watching - it seems unfathomable for a Jaguars rushing attack to be unable to convert 3rd and short with a run play seemingly at will.
It is hard for me to imagine a Jags run game so anemic that we only converted twenty 3rd downs in seventeen games by running the football.
No, its saying failed to get a yard 26.5% not 23.5%. More than a quarter of our runs we couldnt even get a yard. Etienne did get 1 vote for OPOY award though, that voter knew it was the olines fault
(02-10-2024, 10:51 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2024, 10:29 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]According to the site cited in the tweet (which is a fantasy stat tracking database) yes, that is what that is saying.
73.5% of our rushes went for one yard or more. Last in the league.
The other stats listed are scary bad too.
Flipping over to another site, I found splits showing that on 3rd down we ran the ball only 57 times in 2023.
(that in itself shows a complete lack of trust by the staff in the run game)
And of those 57 attempts - only 20 of them were converted to a first down. (zero TDs by rushing on 3rd D)
It is important to note that those 57 3rd down rushes were comprised of only 40 actual RB touches.
17 of them were handled by the QB.
For Jags fans that were watching in the 90's and knew what they were watching - it seems unfathomable for a Jaguars rushing attack to be unable to convert 3rd and short with a run play seemingly at will.
It is hard for me to imagine a Jags run game so anemic that we only converted twenty 3rd downs in seventeen games by running the football.
No, its saying failed to get a yard 26.5% not 23.5%. More than a quarter of our runs we couldnt even get a yard.
26.5 is the correct number.
Other than the bad math that I didn't attempt to proof - everything else in the post is accurate.
Thanks for checking the numbers.
Yeah lack of interior line strength is the number 1 priority to correct. Pass blocking is really important (not that they were great at that), but the ability to reliably run for 1-2 yards is incredibly important. Short yardage situations kept us out of the playoffs.