(08-12-2024, 11:04 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-12-2024, 07:57 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]The last time he played a full season was 2020. I agree that he is a good tackle. He's not an All-Pro, but I think that some expect that level of play from a guys who's played on the tag and gotten pretty hefty deals to stick around. Last year's suspension didn't help, either.
I don't really have a problem with his play, and injuries are a part of the game for his position. He's good. I think a lot of people are looking for great. Truth is, the OT tree just doesn't have a lot of great fruit ready for the picking.
This is his eighth season, I believe; a lot of folks see the price tag, the injuries, and I guess wonder if resetting for a guy on a rookie deal is better. If we can get the middle of the line stable and playing at a high level, I'm much more open to tinkering at LT. For now, though, I want someone of Cam's caliber on the edge. I still don't know if Little is that guy.
Keeping TLaw upright is worth so very much more than a day 3 afterthought.
But I thought Tugboat was the savior for our line worries? Imagine what we can get if we pick a lineman 100 picks earlier!!!
I think you mean another backup RB or reserve 'backer
We still need two starting guards. Our eyes did not lie to us last year.
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If we limp to another 9-8 record (or worse) because of O-Line it will be comical at that point if Baalke isn’t sent packing
Cooper Hodges and Steven Jones to save the day.
We hope.
(08-14-2024, 04:50 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]Cooper Hodges and Steven Jones to save the day.
We hope.
We ain’t seeing yet this preseason. Same ineffective players as last year. Plus Morse.
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I've heard a number of "pundits" who watch film mention that the Jags run the one of the most complicated run blocking schemes in the league. I know many of you all know those nuances better than me. I'm curious if that is accurate? and if so, could that be a portion of why they have had so much trouble last year and supposedly in the practice?
(08-14-2024, 06:07 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I've heard a number of "pundits" who watch film mention that the Jags run the one of the most complicated run blocking schemes in the league. I know many of you all know those nuances better than me. I'm curious if that is accurate? and if so, could that be a portion of why they have had so much trouble last year and supposedly in the practice?
To me those pundits sounds like someone who's never seen zone blocking before. It's not any more complicated than a power/pulling guard type of system.
Someone bring out the ducttape
(08-14-2024, 06:37 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 06:07 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I've heard a number of "pundits" who watch film mention that the Jags run the one of the most complicated run blocking schemes in the league. I know many of you all know those nuances better than me. I'm curious if that is accurate? and if so, could that be a portion of why they have had so much trouble last year and supposedly in the practice?
To me those pundits sounds like someone who's never seen zone blocking before. It's not any more complicated than a power/pulling guard type of system.
Wow.
That's, uh, not accurate.
Whether you are running a gap scheme or a zone scheme there are a dozen ways one scheme to the next can be more or less complex.
BTW - rpr52121 - Pederson has spoken out on altering his run blocking scheme twice this offseason and the first time he brought it up he used the word "simplify"
Because yes, several of the plays and the multiple variations on those plays had too many bells and whistles for the 11 guys to execute consistently. They went full keystone cops at times trying to pull it off. Of course when two guys out of the 5 are getting ragdolled on 70% of the snaps, that doesn't help either. Timing was their biggest nemesis, which happens when you have a guard, a tackle, a TE, and another TE all not blocking the guy traditionally lined up in front of them during a snap - and that's after trying to set up misdirection with your pre snap motion that put your back or one of the TEs in a weird spot to pull off their assignment.
That's a lot of moving parts that need to engage the right defender at the right moment to spring a back. Pederson loves that kind of stuff.
It goes WELL beyond just a pulling guard.
(08-14-2024, 09:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 06:37 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]To me those pundits sounds like someone who's never seen zone blocking before. It's not any more complicated than a power/pulling guard type of system.
Wow.
That's, uh, not accurate.
Whether you are running a gap scheme or a zone scheme there are a dozen ways one scheme to the next can be more or less complex.
BTW - rpr52121 - Pederson has spoken out on altering his run blocking scheme twice this offseason and the first time he brought it up he used the word "simplify"
Because yes, several of the plays and the multiple variations on those plays had too many bells and whistles for the 11 guys to execute consistently. They went full keystone cops at times trying to pull it off. Of course when two guys out of the 5 are getting ragdolled on 70% of the snaps, that doesn't help either. Timing was there biggest nemesis, which happens when you have a guard, a tackle, a TE, and another TE all not blocking the guy traditionally lined up in front of them during a snap - and that's after trying to set up misdirection with your pre snap motion that put your back or one of the TEs in a weird spot to pull off their assignment.
That's a lot of moving parts that need to engage the right defender at the right moment to spring a back. Pederson loves that kind of stuff.
It goes WELL beyond just a pulling guard.
Yea, well said. That is what it looked like to me too.
(08-14-2024, 09:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 06:37 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]To me those pundits sounds like someone who's never seen zone blocking before. It's not any more complicated than a power/pulling guard type of system.
Wow.
That's, uh, not accurate.
Whether you are running a gap scheme or a zone scheme there are a dozen ways one scheme to the next can be more or less complex.
BTW - rpr52121 - Pederson has spoken out on altering his run blocking scheme twice this offseason and the first time he brought it up he used the word "simplify"
Because yes, several of the plays and the multiple variations on those plays had too many bells and whistles for the 11 guys to execute consistently. They went full keystone cops at times trying to pull it off. Of course when two guys out of the 5 are getting ragdolled on 70% of the snaps, that doesn't help either. Timing was there biggest nemesis, which happens when you have a guard, a tackle, a TE, and another TE all not blocking the guy traditionally lined up in front of them during a snap - and that's after trying to set up misdirection with your pre snap motion that put your back or one of the TEs in a weird spot to pull off their assignment.
That's a lot of moving parts that need to engage the right defender at the right moment to spring a back. Pederson loves that kind of stuff.
It goes WELL beyond just a pulling guard.
I'd be interested in seeing some game footage if you can find it. Hopefully a successful play and an unsuccessful play.
(08-14-2024, 06:07 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I've heard a number of "pundits" who watch film mention that the Jags run the one of the most complicated run blocking schemes in the league. I know many of you all know those nuances better than me. I'm curious if that is accurate? and if so, could that be a portion of why they have had so much trouble last year and supposedly in the practice?
Good coaches know how to fit plays to their players. If guys aren't figuring out the scheme, you have two choices: dumb down the scheme or put in different players.
I don't see it as anything overly complex, put a hat on a hat, pull to the right, standard stuff most any lineman has been doing since middle school. If players were saying anything about complexity I might think that theory held some water, but teams have been running ZBS for quite some time.
I think the bigger problem is whether the scheme requires technicians who are light in the pants over grunts who may not win with finesse but are gonna punch you in the mouth every snap. I want a line full of slobberknockers. They'll get it done when it matters.
(08-15-2024, 08:04 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 03:42 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]If we limp to another 9-8 record (or worse) because of O-Line it will be comical at that point if Baalke isn’t sent packing
You misspelled Rauscher
I think he had it right the first time. Lack of OL talent on this roster is malpractice. I don’t have an issue with the quality of the defensive players Baalke drafted or signed. I have an issue with him doing that while we need STARTERS on the O line.
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(08-14-2024, 10:36 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (08-14-2024, 09:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Wow.
That's, uh, not accurate.
Whether you are running a gap scheme or a zone scheme there are a dozen ways one scheme to the next can be more or less complex.
BTW - rpr52121 - Pederson has spoken out on altering his run blocking scheme twice this offseason and the first time he brought it up he used the word "simplify"
Because yes, several of the plays and the multiple variations on those plays had too many bells and whistles for the 11 guys to execute consistently. They went full keystone cops at times trying to pull it off. Of course when two guys out of the 5 are getting ragdolled on 70% of the snaps, that doesn't help either. Timing was there biggest nemesis, which happens when you have a guard, a tackle, a TE, and another TE all not blocking the guy traditionally lined up in front of them during a snap - and that's after trying to set up misdirection with your pre snap motion that put your back or one of the TEs in a weird spot to pull off their assignment.
That's a lot of moving parts that need to engage the right defender at the right moment to spring a back. Pederson loves that kind of stuff.
It goes WELL beyond just a pulling guard.
I'd be interested in seeing some game footage if you can find it. Hopefully a successful play and an unsuccessful play.
Waiting on an email with new NFL+ credentials. When I get in I'll try to find time to show you what I'm talking about.
Here's a breakdown of a "pulling guard" play that gives you some idea of the other things going on to spring the back and the number of ways in which it can go wrong if any of those defenders don't get fooled.
https://www.jaguars.com/video/how-o-line...cksonville
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(08-15-2024, 09:07 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2024, 08:04 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]You misspelled Rauscher
I think he had it right the first time. Lack of OL talent on this roster is malpractice. I don’t have an issue with the quality of the defensive players Baalke drafted or signed. I have an issue with him doing that while we need STARTERS on the O line.
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If we're near .500 "because of o-line" firing the GM isn't going to be the first consequence.
TB has done enough between other positions drafted and signing our guys long-term that he's going to have time to finish the product, like it or not. If the line continues to struggle, they will seek a scapegoat. You're not starting at GM, HC, or any of the top guys first.
If you think otherwise, prepare for further disappointment. A sub-500 season is only the beginning of your woes.