(03-01-2024, 01:23 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Players can't prove if they're a good draft pick if they don't see the field.
LaPorta wouldn't have been playing even half the amount of time he got in Detroit if he was a Jag.... Since they have Engram.
Goes back to the whole scouting and decision making process then. Even if Engram was tagged, you had him for a year, did you REALLY need to drop the 61st overall pick on a TE that ultimately ended up being one of the most disappointing players as a rookie from that TE group?
TE was STACKED across the board last year in that draft class. Strange was nowhere near anybody's radar throughout most scouting communities and mock sites. We swapped our first RD picks with Buffalo who landed a good one in Kincaid. Detroit obviously got it right with LaPorta.
Meyer was decent in Vegas on a bad coaching staff and a dysfunctional QB situation. Green Bay landed Tucker Kraft and Luke Muskgrave and got good production out of them immediately.
I agree, that, a player can't prove their value if they don't see the field. Which, again, goes back to the whole scouting and decision making progress. 61st overall pick on a guy that had one good overall showing during the road win against the tinhorns and maybe a handful of other plays that were overshadowed by holding calls or false starts on his end.
Reeks of incompetence. This team used the 61st overall pick on a glorified and oversized FB on an offense that was already having challenges with distribution when you looked at the WR group + Engram in front of him already on the depth chart.
If this team flounders again in 2024? That whole 2023 draft class will be the one that gets scrutinized the most, and, rightfully so. Baalke had ample opportunities to make some true waves and right off the bat it seems overwhelmingly disappointing.
Need to see MASSIVE differences in Strange and Bisby in 2024. Has to be night and day out there for them and it needs to be early.
(03-01-2024, 01:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 01:23 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Players can't prove if they're a good draft pick if they don't see the field.
LaPorta wouldn't have been playing even half the amount of time he got in Detroit if he was a Jag.... Since they have Engram.
Goes back to the whole scouting and decision making process then. Even if Engram was tagged, you had him for a year, did you REALLY need to drop the 61st overall pick on a TE that ultimately ended up being one of the most disappointing players as a rookie from that TE group?
TE was STACKED across the board last year in that draft class. Strange was nowhere near anybody's radar throughout most scouting communities and mock sites. We swapped our first RD picks with Buffalo who landed a good one in Kincaid. Detroit obviously got it right with LaPorta.
Meyer was decent in Vegas on a bad coaching staff and a dysfunctional QB situation. Green Bay landed Tucker Kraft and Luke Muskgrave and got good production out of them immediately.
I agree, that, a player can't prove their value if they don't see the field. Which, again, goes back to the whole scouting and decision making progress. 61st overall pick on a guy that had one good overall showing during the road win against the tinhorns and maybe a handful of other plays that were overshadowed by holding calls or false starts on his end.
Reeks of incompetence. This team used the 61st overall pick on a glorified and oversized FB on an offense that was already having challenges with distribution when you looked at the WR group + Engram in front of him already on the depth chart.
If this team flounders again in 2024? That whole 2023 draft class will be the one that gets scrutinized the most, and, rightfully so. Baalke had ample opportunities to make some true waves and right off the bat it seems overwhelmingly disappointing.
Need to see MASSIVE differences in Strange and Bisby in 2024. Has to be night and day out there for them and it needs to be early.
It reminded me of when we took Yeldon in the 2nd a few years back. I hated that pick as well with some of the other backs available. At least Yeldon was decent in college
(03-01-2024, 01:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 01:23 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Players can't prove if they're a good draft pick if they don't see the field.
LaPorta wouldn't have been playing even half the amount of time he got in Detroit if he was a Jag.... Since they have Engram.
Goes back to the whole scouting and decision making process then. Even if Engram was tagged, you had him for a year, did you REALLY need to drop the 61st overall pick on a TE that ultimately ended up being one of the most disappointing players as a rookie from that TE group?
TE was STACKED across the board last year in that draft class. Strange was nowhere near anybody's radar throughout most scouting communities and mock sites. We swapped our first RD picks with Buffalo who landed a good one in Kincaid. Detroit obviously got it right with LaPorta.
Meyer was decent in Vegas on a bad coaching staff and a dysfunctional QB situation. Green Bay landed Tucker Kraft and Luke Muskgrave and got good production out of them immediately.
I agree, that, a player can't prove their value if they don't see the field. Which, again, goes back to the whole scouting and decision making progress. 61st overall pick on a guy that had one good overall showing during the road win against the tinhorns and maybe a handful of other plays that were overshadowed by holding calls or false starts on his end.
Reeks of incompetence. This team used the 61st overall pick on a glorified and oversized FB on an offense that was already having challenges with distribution when you looked at the WR group + Engram in front of him already on the depth chart.
If this team flounders again in 2024? That whole 2023 draft class will be the one that gets scrutinized the most, and, rightfully so. Baalke had ample opportunities to make some true waves and right off the bat it seems overwhelmingly disappointing.
Need to see MASSIVE differences in Strange and Bisby in 2024. Has to be night and day out there for them and it needs to be early.
Exactly.
LaPorta was option #2 in that Lions offense. If LaPorta (or any rookie TE) were on the Jags, they would have been option #5! Ridley, Kirk, Zay and Engram were always going to get theirs. I don't care if other teams ran two TE sets. This Jags team was never going to run it very much based on their personnel.
Taking Strange was always strange even if they thought Engram would have just played on the tag. No rookie TE was going to get targets on this team in 2023.
(03-01-2024, 01:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 01:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Goes back to the whole scouting and decision making process then. Even if Engram was tagged, you had him for a year, did you REALLY need to drop the 61st overall pick on a TE that ultimately ended up being one of the most disappointing players as a rookie from that TE group?
TE was STACKED across the board last year in that draft class. Strange was nowhere near anybody's radar throughout most scouting communities and mock sites. We swapped our first RD picks with Buffalo who landed a good one in Kincaid. Detroit obviously got it right with LaPorta.
Meyer was decent in Vegas on a bad coaching staff and a dysfunctional QB situation. Green Bay landed Tucker Kraft and Luke Muskgrave and got good production out of them immediately.
I agree, that, a player can't prove their value if they don't see the field. Which, again, goes back to the whole scouting and decision making progress. 61st overall pick on a guy that had one good overall showing during the road win against the tinhorns and maybe a handful of other plays that were overshadowed by holding calls or false starts on his end.
Reeks of incompetence. This team used the 61st overall pick on a glorified and oversized FB on an offense that was already having challenges with distribution when you looked at the WR group + Engram in front of him already on the depth chart.
If this team flounders again in 2024? That whole 2023 draft class will be the one that gets scrutinized the most, and, rightfully so. Baalke had ample opportunities to make some true waves and right off the bat it seems overwhelmingly disappointing.
Need to see MASSIVE differences in Strange and Bisby in 2024. Has to be night and day out there for them and it needs to be early.
Exactly.
LaPorta was option #2 in that Lions offense. If LaPorta (or any rookie TE) were on the Jags, they would have been option #5! Ridley, Kirk, Zay and Engram were always going to get theirs. I don't care if other teams ran two TE sets. This Jags team was never going to run it very much based on their personnel.
Taking Strange was always strange even if they thought Engram would have just played on the tag. No rookie TE was going to get targets on this team in 2023.
Lololol, LA Porta being a 5th option and behind Zay,. Hahaha. It's clear you don't realize how good La Porta is. As TE friendly as this offense is and as much as Trevor loves using the TE position. La Porta would of shined in this offense and we would have been in the playoffs with another elite TE weapon like that.
Sigh. Some people just aren't very bright.
LaPorta is good on the Lions and is TE1 as well as option #2. Fact.
LaPorta in an offense that already had Ridley, Kirk, Zay (I don't even like Zay) and Engram (solidified TE1)? Still good but wouldn't have seen the field as much because he would be TE2. Therefore his production wouldn't have looked like it did in Detroit. He would have never even sniffed 120 targets in Jacksonville. That's the point.
(03-01-2024, 01:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You are aloud to have 2 TEs on the field at the same time. Strange didn't see the field nowhere near as much because when they gave him an opportunity he sucked, It's not because we have Engram, I guarantee they planned on Strange having a much bigger impact than he did, he just sucked. Did you not watch football when the Pats had Gronk and Hernandez?
Some guys take longer to develop than others. You might be amazed at his "newfound" ability as a blocker once Fortner is replaced and is no longer the clear problem on the line. Early returns on draft investment on Strange may look poor, but I don't think Engram's unresolved (at the time) contract situation had much to do with the Strange pick (this specific comment is not directed at you or anyone). I think they primarily wanted a physical presence in the TE room with potential for receiving upside. So, they didn't "need" just any TE. They needed an additional specific body type in the TE room. Engram is smaller for a TE and primarily a receiver and can't offer the physicality that Strange can. Hopefully Strange shows some significant development early next season. I would expect it to primarily show in his run and pass blocking ability, especially in short yardage, as I think that's what he's primarily here for. They just didn't envision the lack of development in Fortner to completely destroy our run game.
Also, remember that the Jags traded back before selecting Strange. To me that usually means (especially in the higher rounds) that whoever they were hoping/expecting to get with that pick coming into the draft was no longer there and there was a drop off in talent behind him, so trade back, reap some more draft capital, re-group and select from the next tier of guys you have graded similarly with need being a consideration.
Speculation: I think the draft didn't go anywhere near to what they're mocks were showing them after they were able to land Anton and/or they couldn't find a willing trade partner to move up (this part has already been confirmed by Trent if you take him at his word on it) because other teams were tuned in to the same guys and also saw the drop off behind them. I think there's a good chance coming in they were expecting Strange to be there in the 3rd, but when the tier of players they were hoping to select from in the 2nd dried up and the semi-run on TE's also happened in the 2nd with 4 being selected ahead Strange, they decided not to chance it further and just take him.
One could say "Well they traded back to get Anton too", but we have since been granted pretty good clarity on how and why that trade went down as Trent was given all but full assurance from Buffalo that they were not coming up after Anton and Trent also felt fairly sure Dallas wouldn't take an Offensive Tackle, so why not take the extra draft capital for dropping two spots and still "get your guy"? I don't think that's what happened in round 2 though.
(03-01-2024, 02:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Sigh. Some people just aren't very bright.
LaPorta is good on the Lions and is TE1 as well as option #2. Fact.
LaPorta in an offense that already had Ridley, Kirk, Zay (I don't even like Zay) and Engram (solidified TE1)? Still good but wouldn't have seen the field as much because he would be TE2. Therefore his production wouldn't have looked like it did in Detroit. He would have never even sniffed 120 targets in Jacksonville. That's the point.
It's clear you arent very bright lol. That would just open it up more for LaPorta being the opposing defenses can't just focus on LaPorta and St Brown. It wouldn't make him less dangerous it, it would benefit his game more if he had better weapons around him to where the defenses would have to concentrate on more than what he had in Det. LaPorta was option number 1 at times last year and St Brown is better than any WR we have, LaPorta was just that good
Just like if we drafted Bowers this year he could make this offense deadly if we can fix the oline as well and he would likely have a Pro Bowl type season. With that said, Lions have Jameson Williams, a top 12 draft pick, and Josh Reynolds who is a decent WR. La Porta would of absolutely got his touches if he was a Jag last year, this offense was missing and needed another weapon on offense especially when Kirk went down.
(03-01-2024, 02:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 02:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Sigh. Some people just aren't very bright.
LaPorta is good on the Lions and is TE1 as well as option #2. Fact.
LaPorta in an offense that already had Ridley, Kirk, Zay (I don't even like Zay) and Engram (solidified TE1)? Still good but wouldn't have seen the field as much because he would be TE2. Therefore his production wouldn't have looked like it did in Detroit. He would have never even sniffed 120 targets in Jacksonville. That's the point.
It's clear you arent very bright lol. That would just open it up more for LaPorta being the opposing defenses can't just focus on LaPorta and St Brown. It wouldn't make him less dangerous it, it would benefit his game more if he had better weapons around him to where the defenses would have to concentrate on more than what he had in Det. LaPorta was option number 1 at times last year and St Brown is better than any WR we have, LaPorta was just that good
Just like if we drafted Bowers this year he could make this offense deadly if we can fix the oline as well and he would likely have a Pro Bowl type season. With that said, Lions have Jameson Williams, a top 12 draft pick, and Josh Reynolds who is a decent WR. La Porta would of absolutely got his touches if he was a Jag last year, this offense was missing and needed another weapon on offense especially when Kirk went down.
I think it's fair. Detroit clearly has a more established offensive line though. That's their strongest group on their football team and their investments have paid off over the years.
I think if you look at Engram's production in this offense, yeah, it's possible a 2nd athlete of LaPorta's caliber would have garnered more options, looks and production on this offense.
Especially after the WR room began dropping like flies. We lost Agnew and Jones off and on throughout the year. We lost Kirk and we really only had Ridley as the guy fortunate enough to make it a full season.
That's the problem I had down the stretch. It was because we COULDN'T rely on our 61st and 88th overall picks to pick-up any slack at all on offense. Bigsby was way over hyped as well. Even the local guys wouldn't shut the [BLEEP] up about him.
It was nauseating. At any rate. Strange and Bigsby have the fortunate 2nd and 3rd round values on them so they'll get at least two, three years to prove Baalke was right. Hopefully they start returning dividends in 2024. Maybe we'll see a Travon Walker / Devin Lloyd type of jump out of them as year two players offensively.
(03-01-2024, 02:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 02:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Sigh. Some people just aren't very bright.
LaPorta is good on the Lions and is TE1 as well as option #2. Fact.
LaPorta in an offense that already had Ridley, Kirk, Zay (I don't even like Zay) and Engram (solidified TE1)? Still good but wouldn't have seen the field as much because he would be TE2. Therefore his production wouldn't have looked like it did in Detroit. He would have never even sniffed 120 targets in Jacksonville. That's the point.
It's clear you arent very bright lol. That would just open it up more for LaPorta being the opposing defenses can't just focus on LaPorta and St Brown. It wouldn't make him less dangerous it, it would benefit his game more if he had better weapons around him to where the defenses would have to concentrate on more than what he had in Det. LaPorta was option number 1 at times last year and St Brown is better than any WR we have, LaPorta was just that good
Just like if we drafted Bowers this year he could make this offense deadly if we can fix the oline as well and he would likely have a Pro Bowl type season. With that said, Lions have Jameson Williams, a top 12 draft pick, and Josh Reynolds who is a decent WR. La Porta would of absolutely got his touches if he was a Jag last year, this offense was missing and needed another weapon on offense especially when Kirk went down.
It’s clear you aren’t very bright. As a matter of fact I KNOW you aren’t very bright. You’re BOTH [BLEEP] speculating. [BLEEP] idiot.
(03-01-2024, 04:46 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 02:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's clear you arent very bright lol. That would just open it up more for LaPorta being the opposing defenses can't just focus on LaPorta and St Brown. It wouldn't make him less dangerous it, it would benefit his game more if he had better weapons around him to where the defenses would have to concentrate on more than what he had in Det. LaPorta was option number 1 at times last year and St Brown is better than any WR we have, LaPorta was just that good
Just like if we drafted Bowers this year he could make this offense deadly if we can fix the oline as well and he would likely have a Pro Bowl type season. With that said, Lions have Jameson Williams, a top 12 draft pick, and Josh Reynolds who is a decent WR. La Porta would of absolutely got his touches if he was a Jag last year, this offense was missing and needed another weapon on offense especially when Kirk went down.
It’s clear you aren’t very bright. As a matter of fact I KNOW you aren’t very bright. You’re BOTH [BLEEP] speculating. [BLEEP] idiot.
Shut up dumb [BLEEP]. Drink another one you alci. I've seen the things that are complicated for you to understand. Elementary [BLEEP] lol
(03-01-2024, 02:32 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 01:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You are aloud to have 2 TEs on the field at the same time. Strange didn't see the field nowhere near as much because when they gave him an opportunity he sucked, It's not because we have Engram, I guarantee they planned on Strange having a much bigger impact than he did, he just sucked. Did you not watch football when the Pats had Gronk and Hernandez?
Some guys take longer to develop than others.
While this is true, flgatesjag has been underperforming for years on this board. I think we've already seen his best and it's just not good enough.
(03-01-2024, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 02:32 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Some guys take longer to develop than others.
While this is true, flgatesjag has been underperforming for years on this board. I think we've already seen his best and it's just not good enough.
Im still waiting to see some good post from flsprtsgrl. This franchise would be in a worst position than it is now if it went by your plan for the Jags.
(03-01-2024, 01:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 01:23 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Players can't prove if they're a good draft pick if they don't see the field.
LaPorta wouldn't have been playing even half the amount of time he got in Detroit if he was a Jag.... Since they have Engram.
Goes back to the whole scouting and decision making process then. Even if Engram was tagged, you had him for a year, did you REALLY need to drop the 61st overall pick on a TE that ultimately ended up being one of the most disappointing players as a rookie from that TE group?
TE was STACKED across the board last year in that draft class. Strange was nowhere near anybody's radar throughout most scouting communities and mock sites. We swapped our first RD picks with Buffalo who landed a good one in Kincaid. Detroit obviously got it right with LaPorta.
Meyer was decent in Vegas on a bad coaching staff and a dysfunctional QB situation. Green Bay landed Tucker Kraft and Luke Muskgrave and got good production out of them immediately.
I agree, that, a player can't prove their value if they don't see the field. Which, again, goes back to the whole scouting and decision making progress. 61st overall pick on a guy that had one good overall showing during the road win against the tinhorns and maybe a handful of other plays that were overshadowed by holding calls or false starts on his end.
Reeks of incompetence. This team used the 61st overall pick on a glorified and oversized FB on an offense that was already having challenges with distribution when you looked at the WR group + Engram in front of him already on the depth chart.
If this team flounders again in 2024? That whole 2023 draft class will be the one that gets scrutinized the most, and, rightfully so. Baalke had ample opportunities to make some true waves and right off the bat it seems overwhelmingly disappointing.
Need to see MASSIVE differences in Strange and Bisby in 2024. Has to be night and day out there for them and it needs to be early.
Thanks for this detailed write-up. I'm going to give it to my psychiatrist as further evidence that the Jaguars are solely responsible for driving me to the point of insanity and it has nothing to do with genetics, excessive shots of tequila, mushrooms, or any other elements of my past endeavors.......
(03-01-2024, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 02:32 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Some guys take longer to develop than others.
While this is true, flgatesjag has been underperforming for years on this board. I think we've already seen his best and it's just not good enough.
This was hilarious but I must revise in template format as follows: "While this is true, [insert name here] has been underperforming for years on this board. I think we've already seen his best and it's just not good enough.
(03-01-2024, 02:32 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 01:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You are aloud to have 2 TEs on the field at the same time. Strange didn't see the field nowhere near as much because when they gave him an opportunity he sucked, It's not because we have Engram, I guarantee they planned on Strange having a much bigger impact than he did, he just sucked. Did you not watch football when the Pats had Gronk and Hernandez?
Some guys take longer to develop than others. You might be amazed at his "newfound" ability as a blocker once Fortner is replaced and is no longer the clear problem on the line. Early returns on draft investment on Strange may look poor, but I don't think Engram's unresolved (at the time) contract situation had much to do with the Strange pick (this specific comment is not directed at you or anyone). I think they primarily wanted a physical presence in the TE room with potential for receiving upside. So, they didn't "need" just any TE. They needed an additional specific body type in the TE room. Engram is smaller for a TE and primarily a receiver and can't offer the physicality that Strange can. Hopefully Strange shows some significant development early next season. I would expect it to primarily show in his run and pass blocking ability, especially in short yardage, as I think that's what he's primarily here for. They just didn't envision the lack of development in Fortner to completely destroy our run game.
Also, remember that the Jags traded back before selecting Strange. To me that usually means (especially in the higher rounds) that whoever they were hoping/expecting to get with that pick coming into the draft was no longer there and there was a drop off in talent behind him, so trade back, reap some more draft capital, re-group and select from the next tier of guys you have graded similarly with need being a consideration.
Speculation: I think the draft didn't go anywhere near to what they're mocks were showing them after they were able to land Anton and/or they couldn't find a willing trade partner to move up (this part has already been confirmed by Trent if you take him at his word on it) because other teams were tuned in to the same guys and also saw the drop off behind them. I think there's a good chance coming in they were expecting Strange to be there in the 3rd, but when the tier of players they were hoping to select from in the 2nd dried up and the semi-run on TE's also happened in the 2nd with 4 being selected ahead Strange, they decided not to chance it further and just take him.
One could say "Well they traded back to get Anton too", but we have since been granted pretty good clarity on how and why that trade went down as Trent was given all but full assurance from Buffalo that they were not coming up after Anton and Trent also felt fairly sure Dallas wouldn't take an Offensive Tackle, so why not take the extra draft capital for dropping two spots and still "get your guy"? I don't think that's what happened in round 2 though.
Thats true, couldnt you use that argument for Fortner as well? Maybe year 3 is when he takes off (lol). They absolutely wanted a specific type of TE, there is no question about that. The 2nd round was just way to high for Strange and they picked him over guys like Torrence and Dawand Jones, First Team All Americans. Strange wasnt even that good in college so it was highly unlikely he was going to come in and make an impact year 1. He had more penalties and receptions. LaPorta was gone when we picked but he is the exact type of TE they need for what they thought Strange would be. If your speculation is true thats a horrible draft strategy and why they will likely both be fired next year if they come in with that draft strategy again. I personally think they just had Strange higher rated than any other team and when he fell to them they knew they could trade back because none of those teams in front of them would draft him. Sometimes a TE takes a little longer for them to get it going so hopefully he is a big contributer to the offense this year and becomes a better player than both Torrence and Jones. I hope this year we can draft a player in the 2nd round that can contribute this year as well as the 3rd, definitely at pick 47 though and possibly a starter.
(03-01-2024, 04:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 04:46 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]It’s clear you aren’t very bright. As a matter of fact I KNOW you aren’t very bright. You’re BOTH [BLEEP] speculating. [BLEEP] idiot.
Shut up dumb [BLEEP]. Drink another one you alci. I've seen the things that are complicated for you to understand. Elementary [BLEEP] lol
What, like how to speak like you’re literate? That can’t be it.
[BLEEP], you can’t even be literate when you’re making a lame attempt to insult me.
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(03-01-2024, 06:22 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 02:32 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Some guys take longer to develop than others. You might be amazed at his "newfound" ability as a blocker once Fortner is replaced and is no longer the clear problem on the line. Early returns on draft investment on Strange may look poor, but I don't think Engram's unresolved (at the time) contract situation had much to do with the Strange pick (this specific comment is not directed at you or anyone). I think they primarily wanted a physical presence in the TE room with potential for receiving upside. So, they didn't "need" just any TE. They needed an additional specific body type in the TE room. Engram is smaller for a TE and primarily a receiver and can't offer the physicality that Strange can. Hopefully Strange shows some significant development early next season. I would expect it to primarily show in his run and pass blocking ability, especially in short yardage, as I think that's what he's primarily here for. They just didn't envision the lack of development in Fortner to completely destroy our run game.
Also, remember that the Jags traded back before selecting Strange. To me that usually means (especially in the higher rounds) that whoever they were hoping/expecting to get with that pick coming into the draft was no longer there and there was a drop off in talent behind him, so trade back, reap some more draft capital, re-group and select from the next tier of guys you have graded similarly with need being a consideration.
Speculation: I think the draft didn't go anywhere near to what they're mocks were showing them after they were able to land Anton and/or they couldn't find a willing trade partner to move up (this part has already been confirmed by Trent if you take him at his word on it) because other teams were tuned in to the same guys and also saw the drop off behind them. I think there's a good chance coming in they were expecting Strange to be there in the 3rd, but when the tier of players they were hoping to select from in the 2nd dried up and the semi-run on TE's also happened in the 2nd with 4 being selected ahead Strange, they decided not to chance it further and just take him.
One could say "Well they traded back to get Anton too", but we have since been granted pretty good clarity on how and why that trade went down as Trent was given all but full assurance from Buffalo that they were not coming up after Anton and Trent also felt fairly sure Dallas wouldn't take an Offensive Tackle, so why not take the extra draft capital for dropping two spots and still "get your guy"? I don't think that's what happened in round 2 though.
Thats true, couldnt you use that argument for Fortner as well? Maybe year 3 is when he takes off (lol). They absolutely wanted a specific type of TE, there is no question about that. The 2nd round was just way to high for Strange and they picked him over guys like Torrence and Dawand Jones, First Team All Americans. Strange wasnt even that good in college so it was highly unlikely he was going to come in and make an impact year 1. He had more penalties and receptions. LaPorta was gone when we picked but he is the exact type of TE they need for what they thought Strange would be. If your speculation is true thats a horrible draft strategy and why they will likely both be fired next year if they come in with that draft strategy again. I personally think they just had Strange higher rated than any other team and when he fell to them they knew they could trade back because none of those teams in front of them would draft him. Sometimes a TE takes a little longer for them to get it going so hopefully he is a big contributer to the offense this year and becomes a better player than both Torrence and Jones. I hope this year we can draft a player in the 2nd round that can contribute this year as well as the 3rd, definitely at pick 47 though and possibly a starter.
Yeah, but I think it's pretty clear no one specific prospect really "fell to you" if you decided to trade back when you were on the clock and ready to receive this supposed gift that fell to you. Trading back generally means in the GMs mind there's no clear head and shoulders above all others value to be taken at that pick (Anton scenario in round 1 aside) or maybe you had 3 or 4 guys in the same tier and no real preference on which one you select (unlikely) so trade back a few spots and see what happens. If Strange was "the guy" all along, they're not trading back there and risking losing him in the 5 picks that were taken between when they were originally slotted to pick and where they traded back to.
Also, 5 TE's, not 4, had already come off the board. I neglected Kincaid being taken in the 1st in my original count. I don't think Strange was "the guy". I think he was "the next guy" and likely round 3 target (unless they got a LaPorta or someone else at their original round 2 pick), but it was just too early for him and there had been a run on TE's so they got what they could in a trade back at a spot they were comfortable he wouldn't be gone by and took him a little early. The first 2 rounds of the previous 5 drafts starting with the 2018 NFL draft had 3, 4, 1, 2 and 1 TEs taken. I think there's a decent chance they didn't expect how many were going to be taken and didn't expect to be selecting the 5th (Schoonmaker went between their original and eventual spots in the 2nd) or 6th TE off the board and got forced into taking him a little earlier than they might have wanted.
(03-01-2024, 06:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]While this is true, flgatesjag has been underperforming for years on this board. I think we've already seen his best and it's just not good enough.
Im still waiting to see some good post from flsprtsgrl. This franchise would be in a worst position than it is now if it went by your plan for the Jags.
That goes back to the fact that you failed your eye and cognitive exams.
I heard a beat reporter on the radio yesterday say that the Jags met with no fewer than TWELVE offensive line prospects at the combine so far.
Has anyone seen any compiled lists of prospects we interviewed formally at the combine?
(03-02-2024, 03:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I heard a beat reporter on the radio yesterday say that the Jags met with no fewer than TWELVE offensive line prospects at the combine so far.
Has anyone seen any compiled lists of prospects we interviewed formally at the combine?
Nothing yet on those. Last update, they interviewed 6 DL, 5 CB, 1 WR, and 1 TE.
As far as the draft goes, I would draft at least 2 OL and a DL in the first four rounds. OL is priority. If Trent takes another "Strange or Bigsby" pick, it better not be when a big need is available. Last year was not fun to watch with the remaining players on the board in the 2nd-3rd round.