(08-02-2024, 12:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2024, 12:13 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Can we at least actually watch them play before we decide they suck? Did you guys learn nothing last week about how stupid all the whiners were about Lawrence?
You're thinking about the whole team and Jaglou is just thinking about the offense.
But I think Jaglou is right.
I would rather the Jags go 8-9 this year, losing a bunch of shootouts, if it meant that Lawrence had plenty of time to throw and was putting up league-leading numbers for this season. I'd be happy.
Then fix the defense next year.
Maybe it's silly but it's how I feel.
But with Lawrence locked in until 2030 it doesn't really matter either way. If the line isn't fixed this year we get more chances to fix it for Lawrence later.
Can we at least actually watch them play before we decide they suck? Did you guys learn nothing last week about how stupid all the whiners were about Lawrence?
Cam Robinson left camp today with a shoulder injury. Oh boy... here we go.
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(08-02-2024, 07:37 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]It’s so annoying how our GM will not fix the glaring weakness all fans see clearly. Hopefully he proves us wrong and line is improved, but that is a concerning early report
Why does this fall on the GM? I would think the coach is going to let him know if he needs a particular position group.
ok, now for the silver lining version. O-lines take the most time to jell together. We should see improvement as they get more "pad" days. Also, it just could be the d-line is much improved with the additions we made. Also,I am sure the defense guys are putting a bit extra in as they have a new DC.
That was the best I could do.....
(08-02-2024, 03:11 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Cam Robinson left camp today with a shoulder injury. Oh boy... here we go.
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(08-02-2024, 04:59 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2024, 03:11 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Cam Robinson left camp today with a shoulder injury. Oh boy... here we go.
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Better now than later and hopefully plenty of health in the season.
Shad Khan to Baalke: “Why didn’t you draft more offensive linemen? There were plenty available.”
Baalke: “Their arms were too short.”
(08-02-2024, 04:59 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2024, 03:11 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Cam Robinson left camp today with a shoulder injury. Oh boy... here we go.
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Well that's just [BLEEP] lovely, isn't it? LOL.
(08-02-2024, 05:16 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2024, 04:59 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Both starting OTs injured
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Better now than later and hopefully plenty of health in the season.
That's the right approach. The silver lining. I hope that's the case and not an ominous sign of things getting worse throughout the year.
(08-02-2024, 05:21 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Shad Khan to Baalke: “Why didn’t you draft more offensive linemen? There were plenty available.”
Baalke: “Their arms were too short.”
Shad Khan to Baalke: "Damn it man, what is your problem?!? Did you hate the T-Rex figurines or something as a child?!?".
Baalke: "Yes, actually, I did, I was more of a Brachiosaurus fan".
(08-02-2024, 05:39 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/jagu...j49vkg0y25
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sport...645025007/
https://twitter.com/Jaguars/status/1819436810226762213
https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...6333329829
https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...3265385569
Bummer about Wingard and now Murtagh. Hopefully the Aussie is alright. Would have liked to have seen him get some work in with his athletic range.
Look out for Devin Lloyd to break out this year.
(08-02-2024, 11:39 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I realize that things can change once the season begins, but it appears Baalke messed up big-time again with this past draft. I wanted them to trade up in round 2 for Powers-Johnson who dropped for no good reason. They could have given up one of their 4th's and landed a future pro-bowl interior lineman. Instead, they got a defensive tackle who is all-world athletically but has not done much since his injury. Even had they stayed put in round 2, Zack Frazier was another great prospect they could have had. Of course, they added insult to injury by passing on guys like McCormick, Bortolini, Haynes and Mahogany later on in the draft. If Lawrence doesn't have time to throw again this season, we can expect similar results to the 2nd half of 2023 and more injuries to our "savior" who was supposed to lead us to multiple playoff seasons and a possible Super Bowl. If the line doesn't look better by the start of this season, Baalke should be fired for malpractice.
yeah, i wanted McCormick or Bortolini in the 4th, would have been happy with both actually with our 2 4ths. With that said, reports in camp are that Mason Smith has had a very good camp so far and has been in the backfield multiple times on different plays. Smith is getting extra work with RRh and Armstead out so hopefully this will be beneficial come the start of the season. We needed interior dline help just as much as we did IOL help so hopefully Smith can live up to his potential and it could be a great pick.
BTJ has stacked about 3 or 4 consecutive practices together where he is making plays. Looks like TLaw and BTJ are starting to get in sync together, good to see.
Sad to Hear about Dewey. He is a good unsung hero.
I love the fact that Walker is putting his hands in the dirt full time. I am calling it now! 15 sacks from Walker this year!
(08-02-2024, 06:25 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]Look out for Devin Lloyd to break out this year.
That's my underdog of the team this year. I just hope he can stay healthy for a change. He's a tough kid, but, man, that cast on his hand last year really screwed him over in coverage.
He's quietly good in coverage and gets a good amount of tipped passes here and there. I expect him to pick a few passes off this year in clutch moments.
(08-02-2024, 06:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2024, 11:39 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I realize that things can change once the season begins, but it appears Baalke messed up big-time again with this past draft. I wanted them to trade up in round 2 for Powers-Johnson who dropped for no good reason. They could have given up one of their 4th's and landed a future pro-bowl interior lineman. Instead, they got a defensive tackle who is all-world athletically but has not done much since his injury. Even had they stayed put in round 2, Zack Frazier was another great prospect they could have had. Of course, they added insult to injury by passing on guys like McCormick, Bortolini, Haynes and Mahogany later on in the draft. If Lawrence doesn't have time to throw again this season, we can expect similar results to the 2nd half of 2023 and more injuries to our "savior" who was supposed to lead us to multiple playoff seasons and a possible Super Bowl. If the line doesn't look better by the start of this season, Baalke should be fired for malpractice.
yeah, i wanted McCormick or Bortolini in the 4th, would have been happy with both actually with our 2 4ths. With that said, reports in camp are that Mason Smith has had a very good camp so far and has been in the backfield multiple times on different plays. Smith is getting extra work with RRh and Armstead out so hopefully this will be beneficial come the start of the season. We needed interior dline help just as much as we did IOL help so hopefully Smith can live up to his potential and it could be a great pick.
BTJ has stacked about 3 or 4 consecutive practices together where he is making plays. Looks like TLaw and BTJ are starting to get in sync together, good to see.
Agreed 100% on McCormick and Bortolini. Jordan Jefferson I hope provides solid depth within the interior of the defense as well because it sounds pretty early like we may regret not taking another interior lineman on offense instead.
BTJ doing what he's doing is not surprising at all. He was a highlight reel at LSU last season. I think he'll be more involved than people realize right off the bat against Miami in the season opener.
Love to hear it though with Maason Smith. Maybe that move will make up for Baalke's miss with Walker Little a few years ago under similar circumstances.
(08-02-2024, 06:37 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Sad to Hear about Dewey. He is a good unsung hero.
I love the fact that Walker is putting his hands in the dirt full time. I am calling it now! 15 sacks from Walker this year!
If they kick him inside from time to time along side Armstead, RHH, Hamilton & Smith? Good things will happen more often than not. He's starting to sharpen up from the outside as a rusher, but, going back to his Bulldog days, and, something I said since his rookie season.
When you watched him at Georgia? His prowess and athletic ability primarily shined while kicking down inside with his hands in the dirt. He's got all the talent in the world to be a consistent nightmare if he wants it. I think we'll see close to 15 sacks this year out of him. For sure.
(08-02-2024, 07:01 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2024, 06:25 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]Look out for Devin Lloyd to break out this year.
That's my underdog of the team this year. I just hope he can stay healthy for a change. He's a tough kid, but, man, that cast on his hand last year really screwed him over in coverage.
He's quietly good in coverage and gets a good amount of tipped passes here and there. I expect him to pick a few passes off this year in clutch moments.
(08-02-2024, 06:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, i wanted McCormick or Bortolini in the 4th, would have been happy with both actually with our 2 4ths. With that said, reports in camp are that Mason Smith has had a very good camp so far and has been in the backfield multiple times on different plays. Smith is getting extra work with RRh and Armstead out so hopefully this will be beneficial come the start of the season. We needed interior dline help just as much as we did IOL help so hopefully Smith can live up to his potential and it could be a great pick.
BTJ has stacked about 3 or 4 consecutive practices together where he is making plays. Looks like TLaw and BTJ are starting to get in sync together, good to see.
Agreed 100% on McCormick and Bortolini. Jordan Jefferson I hope provides solid depth within the interior of the defense as well because it sounds pretty early like we may regret not taking another interior lineman on offense instead.
BTJ doing what he's doing is not surprising at all. He was a highlight reel at LSU last season. I think he'll be more involved than people realize right off the bat against Miami in the season opener.
Love to hear it though with Maason Smith. Maybe that move will make up for Baalke's miss with Walker Little a few years ago under similar circumstances.
I still think Baalkes worst pick imo is Brenton Strange. I still believe Little is a starting caliber LT especially if he was given a full camp. The reports so far in camp on Strange is he has struggled early.
Bigsby and Vontrell Miller have looked good. DeLugo said Lacy whooped Fortner today in one on ones without surprise lol
Looks like all of the top picks last year have looked pretty good so far other than Strange.
DeLugo rated his top 10 guys in camp so far and had Hamilton at number 2. Looks like the old Hamilton is back and that alone will be massive for the defense. Cant wait to see a healthy Armstead next to him.
(08-02-2024, 07:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2024, 07:01 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]That's my underdog of the team this year. I just hope he can stay healthy for a change. He's a tough kid, but, man, that cast on his hand last year really screwed him over in coverage.
He's quietly good in coverage and gets a good amount of tipped passes here and there. I expect him to pick a few passes off this year in clutch moments.
Agreed 100% on McCormick and Bortolini. Jordan Jefferson I hope provides solid depth within the interior of the defense as well because it sounds pretty early like we may regret not taking another interior lineman on offense instead.
BTJ doing what he's doing is not surprising at all. He was a highlight reel at LSU last season. I think he'll be more involved than people realize right off the bat against Miami in the season opener.
Love to hear it though with Maason Smith. Maybe that move will make up for Baalke's miss with Walker Little a few years ago under similar circumstances.
I still think Baalkes worst pick imo is Brenton Strange. I still believe Little is a starting caliber LT especially if he was given a full camp. The reports so far in camp on Strange is he has struggled early.
Bigsby and Vontrell Miller have looked good. DeLugo said Lacy whooped Fortner today in one on ones without surprise lol
It's early on Strange, but, yeah, have to agree with you a little bit on that selection. Especially with that value there. What really hurts Strange, is that, he was relatively unknown of to begin with and buried in a pretty deep and athletic TE class. It's done him no favors that guys like Musgrave and Kraft have done more already as rookies.
The one guy I coveted the most, LaPorta. Detroit nailed it. Was high on Mallory as well who ended up in our division with the clots. He had a decent year with 207 yards with under 20 catches. Not too shabby for a 5th RD selection. We'll see though. Still holding out hope for Strange. The one other TE I'll be looking at closely this year is Washington, up in Pittsburgh.
That was another guy we could have had instead of Strange.
(08-02-2024, 07:14 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2024, 06:20 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
Bummer about Wingard and now Murtagh. Hopefully the Aussie is alright. Would have liked to have seen him get some work in with his athletic range.
I read that they had to re-set Murtagh's ankle and then put an air cast on it. Sounds like a dislocation, at the very least. We'll see, but he'll likely be out for a while.
Bummer. Sounds like we're looking at Engram and Farrell again as the primary one and two punch at the position. If Strange doesn't show out this year they might want to consider trading around for another option.
Was disappointed that Baalke didn't go after Harrison Bryant after the Browns let him walk this off season. He's a solid receiving type TE and can move and flex out. If the Raiders cut him, which is highly likely now after they drafted Mayer last year and Bowers this year, they need to pick him up.
(08-02-2024, 07:23 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-02-2024, 07:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I still think Baalkes worst pick imo is Brenton Strange. I still believe Little is a starting caliber LT especially if he was given a full camp. The reports so far in camp on Strange is he has struggled early.
Bigsby and Vontrell Miller have looked good. DeLugo said Lacy whooped Fortner today in one on ones without surprise lol
It's early on Strange, but, yeah, have to agree with you a little bit on that selection. Especially with that value there. What really hurts Strange, is that, he was relatively unknown of to begin with and buried in a pretty deep and athletic TE class. It's done him no favors that guys like Musgrave and Kraft have done more already as rookies.
The one guy I coveted the most, LaPorta. Detroit nailed it. Was high on Mallory as well who ended up in our division with the clots. He had a decent year with 207 yards with under 20 catches. Not too shabby for a 5th RD selection. We'll see though. Still holding out hope for Strange. The one other TE I'll be looking at closely this year is Washington, up in Pittsburgh.
That was another guy we could have had instead of Strange.
(08-02-2024, 07:14 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I read that they had to re-set Murtagh's ankle and then put an air cast on it. Sounds like a dislocation, at the very least. We'll see, but he'll likely be out for a while.
Bummer. Sounds like we're looking at Engram and Farrell again as the primary one and two punch at the position. If Strange doesn't show out this year they might want to consider trading around for another option.
Was disappointed that Baalke didn't go after Harrison Bryant after the Browns let him walk this off season. He's a solid receiving type TE and can move and flex out. If the Raiders cut him, which is highly likely now after they drafted Mayer last year and Bowers this year, they need to pick him up.
yeah, LaPorta is a beast. Kincaid is very good too but if we drafted one of them we wouldnt have Harrison. I wanted Dawand Jones who we could have gotten in the 2nd or 3rd and probably the only tackle that was as good or better than Harrison, but passed of course.