Quote:“Our experiences are all different - as different as we are as individuals. But what brings us together is we swear to an oath, an oath to protect the freedoms and liberties of all our citizens and all of our community members," "This oath supersedes everything else in our lives when we put our uniforms on.”
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"We hide behind 'Well, we don’t know all the facts.' I don't need to know the facts to see another dead, black body in the street and say 'That hurts me. That disappoints me. We have more work to do'.”
-Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Kerr Putney
2 questions to clear up confusion: Did they know his name, record, and profile before they tackled and shot him? Sterling 2. If they we're scared then why tackle him to the ground instead of pull out your guns at a distance and try to keep control of the situation? Kill the excuses please.
So now there's a new story circulating that Mr. Sterling bought the gun in question the same night he died. And it was two police officer's who sold it to him.
Quote:What?
Scratch that last sentence I read the headline wrong. I fell for the click bait.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1998...rida-state
for those saying the cops had him subdued and didn't need to open fire. Look no further than this story.
"Lying on the asphalt and surrounded by police, Brian Wilson managed to reach into his shorts to pull out a handgun and open fire during Black College Reunion last Sunday, a videotape released Friday shows."
Quote:<a class="bbc_url" href='http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1998-04-25/news/9804250257_1_black-college-reunion-beach-police-florida-state'>http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1998-04-25/news/9804250257_1_black-college-reunion-beach-police-florida-state</a>
for those saying the cops had him subdued and didn't need to open fire. Look no further than this story.
"Lying on the asphalt and surrounded by police, Brian Wilson managed to reach into his shorts to pull out a handgun and open fire during Black College Reunion last Sunday, a videotape released Friday shows."
Lying down and surrounded by police is different than being pinned down by two policemen.
Disobeying lawful orders and resisting arrest is what gets people killed. There would have been no reason for cops to taze or tackle him if he was cooperating. I admit they do like to take people to the ground whether they are cooperating or not.
Quote:Lying down and surrounded by police is different than being pinned down by two policemen.
theres actually a video of it and he is pinned down before it happens. Alton was still not pinned the right side was not pinned.
Quote:Disobeying lawful orders and resisting arrest is what gets people killed. There would have been no reason for cops to taze or tackle him if he was cooperating. I admit they do like to take people to the ground whether they are cooperating or not.
Where is the law that says death is the punishment?
Quote:Where is the law that says death is the punishment?
more of a right then a law. The officer has the right to protect themselves even if that means applying deadly force.
Quote:more of a right then a law. The officer has the right to protect themselves even if that means applying deadly force.
Ok so no law backing that up...
Quote:Apparently all homicides by cops in baton rouge have been black victims.
My prayers for his family, especially his kids. I can't imagine what it would be like to grow up without a dad. And I can't fathom having to leave my kids in their formative years in that way.
Those pigs deserve jail time.
I grew up without a father and it sucks bigtime. a murdering cop deserves a deeper darker hotter spot in hell but please don't call them pigs. my mother killed my father but she didn't use a gun. her weapon of choice was feminism.
Well, I think that's a first for the board.
Quote:Disobeying lawful orders and resisting arrest is what gets people killed. There would have been no reason for cops to taze or tackle him if he was cooperating. I admit they do like to take people to the ground whether they are cooperating or not.
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Quote:Where is the law that says death is the punishment?
he was avoiding the punishment of being arrested by resisting arrest. At some point he was struggling for a gun that was on him. The cop said GUN GUN.. don't Fing move and he kept moving for the gun and boom shot. THE PUNISHMENT IS BEING ARRESTED UNLESS YOU RESIST TO THE POINT YOU PUT THE LIVES OF THOSE COPS AND ALL AROUND AT RISK BY GOING FOR THE GUN AND THEN DEATH IS THE PUNISHMENT
Quote:more of a right then a law. The officer has the right to protect themselves even if that means applying deadly force.
An officer has the right to defend themselves when someone they are trying to arrest is resisting. In this case that someone had a gun and by all reports was going for the gun. You can debate this all you like but the camera angles we are provided with do not show the whole story because the car hid the mans right arm. What we do know is the cops don't have complete control of him, and we know this because the right side of his body is basically under the car.
Quote:Ok so no law backing that up...
(2) When necessarily committed in retaking felons who have escaped; or
(3) When necessarily committed in arresting felons fleeing from justice. However, this subsection shall not constitute a defense in any civil action for damages brought for the
wrongful use of deadly force unless the use of deadly force was necessary to prevent the arrest from being defeated by such flight and, when feasible, some warning had been given, and:
(a) The officer reasonably believes that the fleeing
felon poses a threat of death or serious physical harm to the officer or others; or
(b) The officer reasonably believes that the fleeing felon has committed a crime involving the infliction or
threatened infliction of serious physical harm to another person.
There is a law backing it up. When this case is investigated they will see if it was a wrongful use of force. Considering the suspect had a gun, threatened people, had a long rap sheet, had resisted as far as he did at that point, we can't be sure his right arm wasn't going for the gun, and finally was warned not to FING move.
source :
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/inde.../0776.html
Don't get me wrong I don't want Cops going around killing people. What I do want is people to realize this person dug his own grave by his lifetime of actions that lead him to illegally possess a firearm, then he threatened someone with it. When the police came to arrest him he resisted to the point of struggling on the ground, when he was obviously beat instead of giving up he goes for the gun while the officer says not to move.
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he was avoiding the punishment of being arrested by resisting arrest. At some point he was struggling for a gun that was on him. The cop said GUN GUN.. don't Fing move and he kept moving for the gun and boom shot. THE PUNISHMENT IS BEING ARRESTED UNLESS YOU RESIST TO THE POINT YOU PUT THE LIVES OF THOSE COPS AND ALL AROUND AT RISK BY GOING FOR THE GUN AND THEN DEATH IS THE PUNISHMENT
An officer has the right to defend themselves when someone they are trying to arrest is resisting. In this case that someone had a gun and by all reports was going for the gun. You can debate this all you like but the camera angles we are provided with do not show the whole story because the car hid the mans right arm. What we do know is the cops don't have complete control of him, and we know this because the right side of his body is basically under the car.
(2) When necessarily committed in retaking felons who have escaped; or
(3) When necessarily committed in arresting felons fleeing from justice. However, this subsection shall not constitute a defense in any civil action for damages brought for the wrongful use of deadly force unless the use of deadly force was necessary to prevent the arrest from being defeated by such flight and, when feasible, some warning had been given, and:
(a) The officer reasonably believes that the fleeing felon poses a threat of death or serious physical harm to the officer or others; or
(b) The officer reasonably believes that the fleeing felon has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm to another person.
There is a law backing it up. When this case is investigated they will see if it was a wrongful use of force. Considering the suspect had a gun, threatened people, had a long rap sheet, had resisted as far as he did at that point, we can't be sure his right arm wasn't going for the gun, and finally was warned not to FING move.
source : <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html'>http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html</a>
Don't get me wrong I don't want Cops going around killing people. What I do want is people to realize this person dug his own grave by his lifetime of actions that lead him to illegally possess a firearm, then he threatened someone with it. When the police came to arrest him he resisted to the point of struggling on the ground, when he was obviously beat instead of giving up he goes for the gun while the officer says not to move.
You paint the picture that the cops had to shoot him (mind you multiple times at point blank range) while simultaneously admitting the footage is inconclusive regarding him actually going for the weapon. Then you cite law about a fleeing felon when the perp was not fleeing. You are not a lawyer. Either the video is clear or it is not. You also have no proof they knew he was a felon.
If it's unclear as to whether someone is reaching into their pocket or not, doesn't the burden of proof call upon the shooter to prove that the victim was reaching for a visible weapon and was in a position that he could use it effectively? Why are we being told to prove that he wasn't? The people saying he wasn't aren't the ones rationalizing a murder.
Quote:If it's unclear as to whether someone is reaching into their pocket or not, doesn't the burden of proof call upon the shooter to prove that the victim was reaching for a visible weapon and was in a position that he could use it effectively? Why are we being told to prove that he wasn't? The people saying he wasn't aren't the ones rationalizing a murder.
It's because to them it's ok. The scenario doesn't matter. Too bad they don't have the inner strength to say how they truly feel, much easier to respect out and out hate rather than empty arguments in all caps.
Quote:Where is the law that says death is the punishment?
It's called the Law of the Jungle. That's the only thing left when conventional law is ignored.