Quote:eliminating the wage floor isn't the same as slave labor. The big difference it's optional. If the wage doesn't match the labor than people won't fill the position simple as that.
Y'know, Eric, we've been here before, long before the start of the political forum.
You had an excellent thread about an employer who was, essentially, trying to buy you out of getting an education and making yourself more valuable to the job market.
Now, do you really think that an employer like that guy wouldn't do everything in his power to exploit a worker by paying the worker a fraction of what he or she is worth? Indeed, I'm sure he felt it was his responsibility to do so. Do you think it was fair that he did it to you?
There HAS to be a federal minimum wage to, at the very least, set the floor for wages. I have absolutely no problem with the feds and states setting that floor.
Quote:Yep, slavery is totally the same thing.
I never used the word slavery.
Quote:I never pay an employee the minimum wage. How can this be?
Neither do I...But I'm not in a greedy retail business that sets it's standard as paying minimum wage, or as low as allowed by law and then giving them just a few hours a week
Quote:Minimum wage needs to be removed, not increased.
LOL, that sounds great on paper. Go check out how it works in Africa or any other neo-libertarian country. It's not a good look...
Quote:Neither do I...But I'm not in a greedy retail business that sets it's standard as paying minimum wage, or as low as allowed by law and then giving them just a few hours a week
Bingo.
And to be honest, a mimimum wage probably would be set by the workers if they were able to unionize. But we don't really allow that type of freedom, do we?
Quote:LOL, that sounds great on paper. Go check out how it works in Africa or any other neo-libertarian country. It's not a good look...
And you clamor for your chains.
Quote:ok lets do this...just abolish the minimum wage and allow companies to pay people $3.00 an hour,and only work them 24 hours a week...
and then what? half the population if not more all go on public assistance...I'm sure that's great for the economy...
Absolutely a company can off $3.00 an hour and no one that can produce more worth than $3.00 an hour would accept the job. You think all of the sudden skilled labor is going to accept $3.00 an hour because it's legal? Hell Burger flippers are demanding more than that.
All the minimum wage does is create a fictitious starting point, and now people are arguing this fictitious starting point is supposed to be sustainable destination. You don't want to make minimum wage develop a skill that is more complex than asking how I like my fries!
Quote:Bingo.
And to be honest, a mimimum wage probably would be set by the workers if they were able to unionize. But we don't really allow that type of freedom, do we?
Not true! Target has a Union, some (very few) walmarts are unionized
Freedom is only for the wealthy. The ability to organize and exercise one's best interest is not something that the workers of our country are granted. It's interesting that nobody ever wonders about that. It's always about how the poor wealthy business folks that are making profits hand over fist have it so hard.
But the moment a group of workers want to organize, they are evil and want to destroy the world. I mean, look at those evil teachers! They are going to be the death of America, if you listen to Rush, Glen, and the happy go lucky Fox And Friends 24/7 News Hour...
Quote:And you clamor for your chains.
Great slogan. Prove it...
Quote:Y'know, Eric, we've been here before, long before the start of the political forum.
You had an excellent thread about an employer who was, essentially, trying to buy you out of getting an education and making yourself more valuable to the job market.
Now, do you really think that an employer like that guy wouldn't do everything in his power to exploit a worker by paying the worker a fraction of what he or she is worth? Indeed, I'm sure he felt it was his responsibility to do so. Do you think it was fair that he did it to you?
There HAS to be a federal minimum wage to, at the very least, set the floor for wages. I have absolutely no problem with the feds and states setting that floor.
Yes he was a horrible employer, which is why after I had increased my skill set and improved my worth I left him and now make three times as much at a different employer in the same field.
That's how it works.
Quote:Absolutely a company can off $3.00 an hour and no one that can produce more worth than $3.00 an hour would accept the job. You think all of the sudden skilled labor is going to accept $3.00 an hour because it's legal? Hell Burger flippers are demanding more than that.
All the minimum wage does is create a fictitious starting point, and now people are arguing this fictitious starting point is supposed to be sustainable destination. You don't want to make minimum wage develop a skill that is more complex than asking how I like my fries!
If $3.00 became the norm, people would take the jobs...
Check out the history of minimum wage and why it was enacted in the first place...If we do away with minimum wage we will end up right back where we were before minimum wage became law
Quote:If $3.00 became the norm, people would take the jobs...
Check out the history of minimum wage and why it was enacted in the first place...If we do away with minimum wage we will end up right back where we were before minimum wage became law
If the norm was $3.00 an hour the cost of living would drop like a rock since no one could buy anything in a consumer driven world.
Quote:Freedom is only for the wealthy. The ability to organize and exercise one's best interest is not something that the workers of our country are granted. It's interesting that nobody ever wonders about that. It's always about how the poor wealthy business folks that are making profits hand over fist have it so hard.
But the moment a group of workers want to organize, they are evil and want to destroy the world. I mean, look at those evil teachers! They are going to be the death of America, if you listen to Rush, Glen, and the happy go lucky Fox And Friends 24/7 News Hour...
I am currently Unionized...It has it's good points and it has it's drawbacks, just like everything else
Quote:Yes he was a horrible employer, which is why after I had increased my skill set and improved my worth I left him and now make three times as much at a different employer in the same field.
That's how it works.
That's only how it works for a few folks. Some folks aren't as lucky as you and I... I got hosed alot too, and worked my butt off to be pretty dog gone successfull. But that doesn't mean I don't realize that those employers that are hosed me back in the day and are continuing to hose other workers should get away with it.
Just because you overcame the exploitation doesn't mean that the exploitation is justified.
Think about what history would be like if people lived thier life that way!!! There would be no progress. There would be no Democracy. There would be no America.
Quote:I am currently Unionized...It has it's good points and it has it's drawbacks, just like everything else
That's fine I don't have a problem with unions, unless it's a public union those I tend to have a problem with on principle.
Quote:If the norm was $3.00 an hour the cost of living would drop like a rock since no one could buy anything in a consumer driven world.
yes thats one aspect, however. no one could pay their mortgage, car payment et.al
Quote:I am currently Unionized...It has it's good points and it has it's drawbacks, just like everything else
I agree 100%. New Mexico is a right to work state. So every private sector job I ever had was non-union. I've worked for the public sector and have experiened unionization. You're right, there's alot that really is frustrating about unions. But I'll take collective bargaining within a union over the constant fear of losing my job as a "right to work" individual.
No doubt about it. But again, you're right. Unions are not all crimson and clovers. Alot of times, I want to smack my union brothers around... But, we're all in it together, which is nice.
Quote:Yes he was a horrible employer, which is why after I had increased my skill set and improved my worth I left him and now make three times as much at a different employer in the same field.
That's how it works.
That's also great until there are 50 people applying for 1 job...or 300 people looking for a job when there are only 10 available...I get at least 10 applications a week even if I'm not hiring, when I need 3 or 4 people, I go through at least 50 applications