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Quote:That's fine I don't have a problem with unions, unless it's a public union those I tend to have a problem with on principle. 

 

I'm curious what you have against public unions?

Quote:That's only how it works for a few folks.  Some folks aren't as lucky as you and I...  I got hosed alot too, and worked my butt off to be pretty dog gone successfull.  But that doesn't mean I don't realize that those employers that are hosed me back in the day and are continuing to hose other workers should get away with it.

 

Just because you overcame the exploitation doesn't mean that the exploitation is justified.  

 

Think about what history would be like if people lived thier life that way!!!  There would be no progress.  There would be no Democracy.  There would be no America.

 

We got out because we worked hard, not because we where lucky. There was nothing lucky about it, I earned it. I learned a new trade in my mid 20's while working two-three jobs to make ends meet for a family of 4 at the time. I invested in my education and took night  and summer college courses. I lived within my means moving the now family of 6 into a 2 bedroom duplex so we could take the financial hit and finish my degree. I went back to work and got my certifications and built time on my resume and when the time was right I found ample employers looking for an educated, experienced, certified mechanic/service manager.

 

it wasn't luck, it was hard work and anyone can do it. 

Quote:yes thats one aspect, however. no one could pay their mortgage, car payment et.al 

 

sure they could houses wouldn't be worth as much. realtors have no interest in selling homes that no one can buy. car companies have no interest in building cars people can't finance. 

Quote:I'm curious what you have against public unions?

 

it's not against anyone in them for starters. I have a problem with the idea that a union exist to negotiate against the government for wages, who funds the government? tax payers. So it's a union that is negotiating against me and I have no control or say in the matter. 

 

The real solution is to eliminate most of the government jobs and make it a private sector matter, in that case I fully support unions. It's pathetic that the best career trajectory today is to land a job working for the government. 

Quote:That's also great until there are 50 people applying for 1 job...or 300 people looking for a job when there are only 10 available...I get at least 10 applications a week even if I'm not hiring, when I need 3 or 4 people, I go through at least 50 applications

 

That's because not enough jobs exist. Wage floors factor into that, removing the floor doesn't decrease jobs it increases them. Sure they're not high paying jobs but the more people working the more capital exchanging hands the more the economy grows.

 

Why do we have so many applicants to openings? government

Quote:I agree 100%.  New Mexico is a right to work state.  So every private sector job I ever had was non-union.  I've worked for the public sector and have experiened unionization.  You're right, there's alot that really is frustrating about unions.  But I'll take collective bargaining within a union over the constant fear of losing my job as a "right to work" individual.  

 

No doubt about it.  But again, you're right.  Unions are not all crimson and clovers.  Alot of times, I want to smack my union brothers around...  But, we're all in it together, which is nice.  

I'm from Idaho originally...It's a right to work state...The problem I find with collective bargaining is that most people don't take the time to read the contract...They get the highlights from the Union Steward's presentation of the CBA and either get pissed or love it without knowing the whole story. If they don't understand something they just vote NO, or they vote YES because the health care doesn't increase, but the Union Dues does, and so does everything everything else but they don't read that part

Quote:We got out because we worked hard, not because we where lucky. There was nothing lucky about it, I earned it. I learned a new trade in my mid 20's while working two-three jobs to make ends meet for a family of 4 at the time. I invested in my education and took night  and summer college courses. I lived within my means moving the now family of 6 into a 2 bedroom duplex so we could take the financial hit and finish my degree. I went back to work and got my certifications and built time on my resume and when the time was right I found ample employers looking for an educated, experienced, certified mechanic/service manager.

 

it wasn't luck, it was hard work and anyone can do it. 

 

Luck, Grace, the will of the Great Spaghetti Monster, the right quantum twist within that one particle that pushed you in the right direction...  I don't know...  

 

I've met alot of folks that could have been me except for a wrong turn here or there.  Hell, I could have been alot better off if not for a wrong turn here or there that slowed my growth.  There are alot of moments in my life that could have turned really bad for me as well.  In my mind, to think that I've done what I've done all by myself just seems to selfish...This Universe is a crazy place.  I think there are indeed slackers out there.  But I've met alot of people that could have gotten just as far as me or further if they didn't get kicked in the gonads at a key point in their lives.

 

I respect you, Eric.  From reading about your life, I absolutely know you kicked butt to get where you are.  I'll just leave it at that... 

Quote:That's because not enough jobs exist. Wage floors factor into that, removing the floor doesn't decrease jobs it increases them. Sure they're not high paying jobs but the more people working the more capital exchanging hands the more the economy grows.

 

Why do we have so many applicants to openings? government

 

Quote:That's because not enough jobs exist. Wage floors factor into that, removing the floor doesn't decrease jobs it increases them. Sure they're not high paying jobs but the more people working the more capital exchanging hands the more the economy grows.

 

Why do we have so many applicants to openings? government

Thats true in part, so the higher skill set does not automatically get you another job, which is my point...There are thousands of people in every industry with years upon years of experience and high skills sets that are unemployed and thousands more in school right now getting the skill sets for the same industry...

Quote:Luck, Grace, the will of the Great Spaghetti Monster, the right quantum twist within that one particle that pushed you in the right direction...  I don't know...  

 

I've met alot of folks that could have been me except for a wrong turn here or there.  Hell, I could have been alot better off if not for a wrong turn here or there that slowed my growth.  There are alot of moments in my life that could have turned really bad for me as well.  In my mind, to think that I've done what I've done all by myself just seems to selfish...This Universe is a crazy place.  I think there are indeed slackers out there.  But I've met alot of people that could have gotten just as far as me or further if they didn't get kicked in the gonads at a key point in their lives.

 

I respect you, Eric.  From reading about your life, I absolutely know you kicked butt to get where you are.  I'll just leave it at that... 

 

No hard feelings here man, I like you too I just hate the idea that we need government to make people better. It's always been my experience that government creates the hardships. 

 

We just need more people willing to make the sacrifices to get out of the bad situations there in. My hardships where almost all self-inflicted, had I not been able to admit that I'd still be struggling. 

Quote:Thats true in part, so the higher skill set does not automatically get you another job, which is my point...There are thousands of people in every industry with years upon years of experience and high skills sets that are unemployed and thousands more in school right now getting the skill sets for the same industry...

 

There will always be the haves and have not's, but that's a completely different issue than the minimum wage. The purpose of the minimum wage was to say this ____ amount has to be the starting point for whatever reason. But now we've all but accepted that the starting point is also supposed to be an acceptable destination. That's my original point about Trump, the "populist" is now "open" to the idea that the starting point is an acceptable destination for some portion of the population and therefore we have to be open to maybe increasing it. 

 

You want to create jobs and wealth remove the government regulations on people starting their own business then you have less people dependent on a third party. THAT's the real solution. 

Quote:sure they could houses wouldn't be worth as much. realtors have no interest in selling homes that no one can buy. car companies have no interest in building cars people can't finance. 

but if someone had a $300,000 mortgage and all of a sudden the minimum wage was repealed and the standard pay became $3 an hour, there is no way they could pay their mortgage they already have...The bank won't refinance because they already put out the $300k and they want it back

Quote:There will always be the haves and have not's, but that's a completely different issue than the minimum wage. The purpose of the minimum wage was to say this ____ amount has to be the starting point for whatever reason. But now we've all but accepted that the starting point is also supposed to be an acceptable destination. That's my original point about Trump, the "populist" is now "open" to the idea that the starting point is an acceptable destination for some portion of the population and therefore we have to be open to maybe increasing it. 

 

You want to create jobs and wealth remove the government regulations on people starting their own business then you have less people dependent on a third party. THAT's the real solution. 

I agree with removing the government restrictions for people starting small businesses...THAT is exactly why small businesses fail or struggle and prevent many people from starting their own business...Again I say, research the reason minimum wage was enacted in the very beginning, if there were to be no minimum wage, we would be right back to that same state

Quote:but if someone had a $300,000 and all of a sudden the minimum wage was repealed and the standard pay became $3 an hour, there is no way they could pay their mortgage they already have...The bank won't refinance because they already put out the $300k and they want it back

 

why would someone making enough to finance a $300,000 mortgage (so their in the 100k+ a year range) accept a $3 an hour wage? Does someone making minimum wage now have a $300,000 mortgage? 

 

You are not paid what you make today because the government requires it, you are paid what you make today because you are worth that much to your employer. 

Quote:why would someone making enough to finance a $300,000 mortgage (so their in the 100k+ a year range) accept a $3 an hour wage? Does someone making minimum wage now have a $300,000 mortgage? 

 

You are not paid what you make today because the government requires it, you are paid what you make today because you are worth that much to your employer. 

Thats back to the earlier posts about removing the minimum wage and companies deciding the standard would be $3 since there would be no minimum wage at all

Quote:We got out because we worked hard, not because we where lucky. There was nothing lucky about it, I earned it. I learned a new trade in my mid 20's while working two-three jobs to make ends meet for a family of 4 at the time. I invested in my education and took night  and summer college courses. I lived within my means moving the now family of 6 into a 2 bedroom duplex so we could take the financial hit and finish my degree. I went back to work and got my certifications and built time on my resume and when the time was right I found ample employers looking for an educated, experienced, certified mechanic/service manager.

 

it wasn't luck, it was hard work and anyone can do it. 

 

While I respect your hard work, diligence, sacrifices, and intelligence, you were absolutely, 100% lucky.

 

 

You were born in the United States of America.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Quote:I agree with removing the government restrictions for people starting small businesses...THAT is exactly why small businesses fail or struggle and prevent many people from starting their own business...Again I say, research the reason minimum wage was enacted in the very beginning, if there were to be no minimum wage, we would be right back to that same state

 

It's a different world almost 100 years ago. Today there is no need for the minimum wage, if an employer wants to pay below the minimum wage they automize the task with technology or export it over seas. All the minimum wage does is restrict the amount of entry level jobs the market offers. Less people getting entry level work is more people reliant on assistance to keep up with the cost of living. Hell if you removed the minimum wage you'd have less than 3% of the work force even considering the jobs below $7 an hour. 

 

Don't believe me just look at the facts, here's who's making minimum wage

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...imum-wage/

Quote:While I respect your hard work, diligence, sacrifices, and intelligence, you were absolutely, 100% lucky.

 

 

You were born in the United States of America.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I was born here because both of my parents made bigger sacrifices to work hard and make it to America. My Mothers family spent 18 years working in Columbia so my grandfather could get his green card and finance their journey to Tampa FL. My Dad's family left everyone they new in Canada so my grandfather could pursue a better paying job in a battery factory in Tampa than he was making in the coal mining in Canada. It wasn't luck, generations of my family have worked to give me a better starting point than they had, now I'm doing the same for my children. 

 

It's not luck, it's sacrifice, even when sometimes you're not going to be the immediate beneficiary.

Quote:I was born here because both of my parents made bigger sacrifices to work hard and make it to America. My Mothers family spent 18 years working in Columbia so my grandfather could get his green card and finance their journey to Tampa FL. My Dad's family left everyone they new in Canada so my grandfather could pursue a better paying job in a battery factory in Tampa than he was making in the coal mining in Canada. It wasn't luck, generations of my family have worked to give me a better starting point than they had, now I'm doing the same for my children. 

 

It's not luck, it's sacrifice, even when sometimes you're not going to be the immediate beneficiary.

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Honorable parents.

 

 

For the record, despite my own hard work and God-given abilities, I enjoy the same lucky benefit and it's my biggest blessing.

 

 

That, my friend, IS incredible luck.  In fact, it's just about the most fortunate event anyone can have in their lives.  You were born to them, and you had nothing to do with that.  You just got lucky.  It's OK to say it.

Quote:I'm still waiting for a trumpette to tell my why it's ok for Trump to hire Goldman Sachs fundraiser and take third party funding, it doesn't make him a total sell out like everyone else......... :whistling:

The self funding angle got him past 16 qualified people. He is in the thunder dome now. No realistic person really expected him to self fund the entire general election.

I am totally for raising the minimum wage, while I realize that it doesn't solve the problem & will only increase the costs of services & goods (it will win votes & make people happy at least short term).  The true solution is to fix the unfair trade wars with foreign countries & raise tariffs on goods & services imported into our country.  To deport the illegal immigrants that cost our country billions of dollars in financial aid from schools, hospitals, police & fire, courts, and congress for constantly wasting Tax dollars making criminals legal that should've been deported 3 decades ago.