Quote:But, Chad Henne! You can't say anything positive about Chad Henne!
/sarcasm
The points you make will fly right over the head of many in this discussion because common sense is something to be avoided. The coaching staff and front office love having Henne there because he's almost like another coach for Bortles to work with, only he's a guy who has extensive experience playing the position, so his insight actually has more gravitas.
If your backup QB is called into action, the last thing you want out there is a gun slinger. You want a guy who is going to be focused on limiting mistakes and avoiding costly gaffes. Henne will make the plays that are necessary. His limitations mean the entire offense has to play at a higher level. If that happens, he's able to effectively move the team. The problem he's had, especially since coming to Jacksonville, is that he hasn't had the weapons around him. Last year was probably the worst case scenario for any QB. They were dealing with a roster full of rookies, no running game, and a line that couldn't block a pack of girl scouts. He took a beating out there, and somehow that beating was all his fault. Pointing out the deficiencies he was forced to deal with on the field are simply dismissed as excuses by the same folks who think EJ Emanuel would be a good fit to be a backup here.
Just to add to what you mentioned, especially regarding last season, it's likely that Chad Henne played a significant role in the development of the Jaguars young receivers. Henne is the type of veteran QB who can pinpoint the importance of route precision and route adjustment. As much as the coaches can provide teaching, players usually pay close attention to what their veteran teammates say.
Also, with a rookie Center last season, Henne probably was able to offer input regarding the protections and adjustments. Being a rookie in the NFL is extremely challenging. The more viable help that's on the same page, the better.
This season, Henne could offer pointers to T.J. Yeldon regarding being in the right place on blitz protection. Having a veteran QB on the roster who is willing to be a coach on the field is worth its weight in football gold. Bringing in a QB from another roster to replace Henne at this time is definitely the direction I wouldn't go in from a Jags perspective.
Quote:What names do you want me to say? I'm only naming players that are in the NFL. Do you want me to magically come up with high-school backup players? Seeing your post on this message board, its pretty clear you have no idea what you're seeing when watching. You just stare at the screen while drooling and wait for a touchdown.
I would expect you to list players you have actually watched and evaluated. You are proof that any fool can just copy a bunch of names and list them.
I promise you I have more knowledge and understanding of the game than you will ever have.
My staring and drooling has absorbed more about football then what ever you do when a game is on. I at least have enough comprehension to figure out what a pre-season power ranking is.
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Quote: Just to add to what you mentioned, especially regarding last season, it's likely that Chad Henne played a significant role in the development of the Jaguars young receivers. Henne is the type of veteran QB who can pinpoint the importance of route precision and route adjustment. As much as the coaches can provide teaching, players usually pay close attention to what their veteran teammates say.
Also, with a rookie Center last season, Henne probably was able to offer input regarding the protections and adjustments. Being a rookie in the NFL is extremely challenging. The more viable help that's on the same page, the better.
This season, Henne could offer pointers to T.J. Yeldon regarding being in the right place on blitz protection. Having a veteran QB on the roster who is willing to be a coach on the field is worth its weight in football gold. Bringing in a QB from another roster to replace Henne at this time is definitely the direction I wouldn't go in from a Jags perspective.
Yeah, sounds nice and all D6, but that's what coaches are for. If Chenne wants to be a coach, he should retire and stop wasting the roster spot. Get someone capable of throwing the ball 10 yards down the field.
Quote:I would expect you to list players you have actually watched and evaluated. You are proof that any fool can just copy a bunch of names and list them.
I promise you I have more knowledge and understanding of the game than you will ever have.
My staring and drooling has absorbed more about football then what ever you do when a game is on. I at least have enough comprehension to figure out what a pre-season power ranking is.
And your childish posts makes you look even more dumb. Is this a competition to see who has more knowledge of football? Congratulations, you can have the trophy if you want.
The pre-season power ranking on that talk show was actually for pre-season. It isn't the power rankings that everyone is use to. It's a cheesey talk show that reviewed teams over the course of pre-season. Try harder.
Quote:Yeah, sounds nice and all D6, but that's what coaches are for. If Chenne wants to be a coach, he should retire and stop wasting the roster spot. Get someone capable of throwing the ball 10 yards down the field.
Sosa, if Blake Bortles was in his 5th season and the Jags were close to being a viable Super Bowl contender, I would look at the situation differently. But with where Bortles and the team are in their development, I strongly believe that Henne's intangibles far outweigh the physical benefits the Jags could get from bring in a replacement for Henne at this time. That much more considering the replacement will have to learn the system and get his timing down with the other Offensive personnel. That won't be easy with the limited amount of practice time for backup QBs during the season.
Quote:Tolzien has looked pretty darn good this preseason... much better than Henne.
His one start in the preseason he was 7-11 for 41 yards and 1 int.
Yep, that's the guy I want when the pressure to perform is on.
Quote:And your childish posts makes you look even more dumb. Is this a competition to see who has more knowledge of football? Congratulations, you can have the trophy if you want.
The pre-season power ranking on that talk show was actually for pre-season. It isn't the power rankings that everyone is use to. It's a cheesey talk show that reviewed teams over the course of pre-season. Try harder.
Dude, just stop. You've already won the idiot competition. Are you really going to credit a "cheesey" talk show for your ignorance?
I mean how dumb is that?
Quote:Dude, just stop. You've already won the idiot competition. Are you really going to credit a "cheesey" talk show for your ignorance?
I mean how dumb is that?
"You've already won the idiot competition!" What??? How old are you? Honestly man, get back to talking football. I know you don't know much about it, but i'm not here to argue about this kind of stuff.
Quote:The Jaguars don't really need Henne as a coach on the field considering they have three offensive coordinators from last year coaching their offense.
Having 3 Offensive Coordinators and a good overall coaching staff certainly is beneficial. But having a teammate who is currently playing the game that can provide substantial input is invaluable.
When the day is over and the players leave the team complex, the coaches usually do their own thing. When players aren't having family time, they are often with their teammates. When Henne's teammates see how hard he works, if they have any pride, they will pay close attention to him and try to absorb his knowledge like a sponge.
Quote:What does that mean? Do you want me to link the multiple articles where Gus and Dave have said that they like Henne as their back up?
His stats are there buddy. You just wanted to look at his New Orleans game, so I gave you a source that covers the rest.
Gus and Dave always speak fondly of all their players while they're on the roster. It's not like the days of Tom Coughlin when he'd tell you straight up what he really thinks.
Quote:That was last week when they weren't playing any starters. You know full well you can't look at the stats in such a game. I don't even watch any of the week 4 games aside from the Jaguars. I did however watch most of the week 1, 2 and 3 games, and Tolzien looked fantastic weeks one and two. Tolzien missed week 3 with a slight concussion even though he was cleared to play, and that's when Hundley came in and set the field on fire. That rookie most likely knocked Tolzien right off the roster, but Tolzien still looks far better than Henne.
Henne wasn't playing with any starters either. He didn't have the luxury to play with the first team like Tolzien did the first few games because he was playing behind a young QB that needed all the first team reps available.
When Tolzien was under the spotlight and didn't have the luxury of the first string around him, he looked worse than Henne.
That is a huge reason you have to take pre-season with a grain of salt. You can't make the assumption that players are playing with the same advantages and supporting cast. Pre-season is not and has never been designed to be a level playing field for all players. When your goal is to create situations to evaluate young players, putting your established veteran back up QB in advantageous situations are the least of your concerns.
Quote:"You've already won the idiot competition!" What??? How old are you? Honestly man, get back to talking football. I know you don't know much about it, but i'm not here to argue about this kind of stuff.
Hey, I'm just following your example of giving out trophies so the real question would be your maturity level.
Quote:His stats are there buddy. You just wanted to look at his New Orleans game, so I gave you a source that covers the rest.
If you want to look at stats, how about 0 wins, a 1/5 TD to int ratio and a career QBR of 66.8 in his 4 seasons in the NFL in actual real games.
And like I said, I can give you multiple articles about the jags organization that say the same and better things about Henne, but of course, those don't matter. So your one little article that describes the packers wishful thinking about Tolzien means jack.
Quote:If you want to look at stats, how about 0 wins, a 1/5 TD to int ratio and a career QBR of 66.8 in his 4 seasons in the NFL in actual real games.
And like I said, I can give you multiple articles about the jags organization that say the same and better things about Henne, but of course, those don't matter. So your one little article that describes the packers wishful thinking about Tolzien means jack.
I never said Tolzien was the best backup ever. I said he played decent this pre-season. I don't care what Gus and Dave say, everything will be positive. You should know that.