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Quote:I don't think it's that much of an uphill battle. Regardless of how often it doesn't work out, teams are very reluctant to let S-tier speed off the roster.

This is how you end up with Brian Witherspoon, Chris Prosinski and Scottie McGee on your roster.

Quote:It won't but he's not competing for a starting or even 2nd string role, he's the 4th RB and adds ST value, which would be the main reason to keep him.

 

So, you have him ranked as the 4th RB...a guy that did not start in college, ranked 24th (CBS/NFLdraftscout) at his RB position in the draft, and undrafted by 32 teams, beating out Bernard Pierce (a 3rd round draft choice and collegiate starter) and Storm Johnson (a 7th round draft choice and collegiate starter) without you seeing him take a single live snap as yet in the pros.  He has burner speed to run outside, but his RB skills overall have not been good.  However, granted, he does have promise to be an effective kick returner.  I would argue at this point, that he is challenging, and would be kept solely, for a ST role, not as "the 4th RB".  It seems to me that many through this thread are over-valuing speed and jumping to the conclusion that he will be challenging this season for a significant RB role (1st-3rd type of RB role).             

Quote:With Storm virtually off the roster, I'm starting to like Bernard's chances to make it as their 5th RB. The thing is, Olsen predicates his offense around being able to pound the ball up the middle, and that's something Pierce does well. With Pierce and Toby pounding away, and with Yeldon, Grant and Shoelace picking up the fancy big yards, they should be able to do some damage. If Olsen is able to run the ball, everything falls into place with his passing game.

This could happen with Storm and Grant on the PS.We really have some options this year.

Quote:This could happen with Storm and Grant on the PS.We really have some options this year.

 

 

I don't see Grant going on the PS as he'd quickly get signed off by another team that covets, or desperately needs, speed.

Quote:This is how you end up with Brian Witherspoon, Chris Prosinski and Scottie McGee on your roster.

Yep, and Corey Grant has a high chance of being apart of that list...

...But who knows, sometimes you get lucky.

Quote:So, you have him ranked as the 4th RB...a guy that did not start in college, ranked 24th (CBS/NFLdraftscout) at his RB position in the draft, and undrafted by 32 teams, beating out Bernard Pierce (a 3rd round draft choice and collegiate starter) and Storm Johnson (a 7th round draft choice and collegiate starter) without you seeing him take a single live snap as yet in the pros.  He has burner speed to run outside, but his RB skills overall have not been good.  However, granted, he does have promise to be an effective kick returner.  I would argue at this point, that he is challenging, and would be kept solely, for a ST role, not as "the 4th RB".  It seems to me that many through this thread are over-valuing speed and jumping to the conclusion that he will be challenging this season for a significant RB role (1st-3rd type of RB role).             

Their draft positions don't matter at this point.  The "4th RB" position isn't going to see the field much at all on offense.  The value here as I mentioned is Special Teams.  Do you want a guy that's just going to sit on the bench and wait for an injury or do you want a guy that can contribute more?  Storm isn't going to contribute at all in that role and wasn't even that good of a backup when he was out there last year.

He was given a chance to win the starting job the last two years at Auburn and couldn't. He just doesn't very good wiggle or vision, he is purely a straight line speed guy.

Quote:I don't see Grant going on the PS as he'd quickly get signed off by another team that covets, or desperately needs, speed.

The praise he received so far makes me think that Corey Grant will get a decent chance to prove his worth in Preseason, so hopefully he sparks enough to get a few reps with the 1st squad towards the end of Preseason.

Quote:So, you have him ranked as the 4th RB...a guy that did not start in college, ranked 24th (CBS/NFLdraftscout) at his RB position in the draft, and undrafted by 32 teams, beating out Bernard Pierce (a 3rd round draft choice and collegiate starter) and Storm Johnson (a 7th round draft choice and collegiate starter) without you seeing him take a single live snap as yet in the pros.  He has burner speed to run outside, but his RB skills overall have not been good.  However, granted, he does have promise to be an effective kick returner.  I would argue at this point, that he is challenging, and would be kept solely, for a ST role, not as "the 4th RB".  It seems to me that many through this thread are over-valuing speed and jumping to the conclusion that he will be challenging this season for a significant RB role (1st-3rd type of RB role).             

 

So every guy has to be  a star player in college to succeed in the pro's? Not saying he will or won't but what he did in college has little to do with his pro career.

The Florida Times-Union doesn’t project Storm Johnson or Bernard Pierce to make the 53-man roster.


Johnson "is in the most trouble of not making the roster," according to reporter Ryan O’Halloran. After a nondescript offseason, Pierce is in danger of losing the final running back spot. The Jaguars like UDFA Corey Grant for his special teams value behind T.J. Yeldon and Denard Robinson.
 
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I had figured as much, but with Florida Times-Union stating it gives more weight.  It'll be TJ Yeldon as the starter with Corey Grant as his backup change of pace man and hopefully we'll see Corey & TJ ripping up like Taylor & Jones-Drew had in the past as one two punch.

Quote:The Florida Times-Union doesn’t project Storm Johnson or Bernard Pierce to make the 53-man roster.

Johnson "is in the most trouble of not making the roster," according to reporter Ryan O’Halloran. After a nondescript offseason, Pierce is in danger of losing the final running back spot. The Jaguars like UDFA Corey Grant for his special teams value behind T.J. Yeldon and Denard Robinson.


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I had figured as much, but with Florida Times-Union stating it gives more weight. It'll be TJ Yeldon as the starter with Corey Grant as his backup change of pace man and hopefully we'll see Corey & TJ ripping up like Taylor & Jones-Drew had in the past as one two punch.

You keep saying that Grant will be the change of pace. Have you just forgotten about Denard Robinson?

Denard is a utility, slash guy. Can't see him in long term plans, as of now. Gerhart, transient as well.


My guess is Dew meant the long term 1-2 fixture at RB. It's a hopeful scenario, can't say I envision them as such as yet.

I disagree on the long term potential of Denard. Personally I think it's been pretty dang impressive how much he has improved in just two seasons. I feel he is getting better very quickly and is going to be around here for a while. I don't think he is ever going to be a bell cow type back but his continued improvement along with his athleticism can be a great compliment to Yeldon.

Quote:Denard is a utility, slash guy. Can't see him in long term plans, as of now. 

Seriously? After the improvement he showed last year? I think he and Yeldon will be 95% of the Jags' running game for at least 2-3 more years.

Quote:I disagree on the long term potential of Denard. Personally I think it's been pretty dang impressive how much he has improved in just two seasons. I feel he is getting better very quickly and is going to be around here for a while. I don't think he is ever going to be a bell cow type back but his continued improvement along with his athleticism can be a great compliment to Yeldon.

I agree with you. He looks like a guy that's rapidly getting more comfortable with his position. I'd like to see him take contact a little better this year.


BTW, you enjoying the lightning tonight?

I guess we forgot Denard averaged 4.3 ypc last year, you know, only .4 below Demarco, Bell, or Lynch and more YPC than McCoy

I acknowledge DRob's productivity and hopes he continues to develop even more admirably. My point; when his rookie contract expires, which I 'presume' is at the end of next season ('16), his 4th, do you extend if you have a TJ, and say a Grant, that Dew mentioned, as 'true' developing backs?


Again, I'm not advocating either back as the future fixture at this time. But, should they pan out, growths like that push guys like DRob out of rosters. Everybody likes a Darell Sproles, nobody builds with a Darell Sproles.

However - as if this needs to be said - if Robinson finds some 'elite' niche in his craft, then of course, he becomes a guy you DO NOT want to let go. As of now...

I have been to a few camp sessions and have not noticed him at all.

Quote:I acknowledge DRob's productivity and hopes he continues to develop even more admirably. My point; when his rookie contract expires, which I 'presume' is at the end of next season ('16), his 4th, do you extend if you have a TJ, and say a Grant, that Dew mentioned, as 'true' developing backs?

Grant is a long way from proving himself to be even close to D-Rob's equal. If, come December of 2016, he's an equivalent or better player, then yeah, you'd strongly considering letting D-Rob walk, but that goes for any player whose contract is up and has a cheaper, equally-effective replacement backing them up.