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At this point, it doesn't even matter anymore.


We've entered the wishful thinking phase of this franchise.


The minute marrone was hired, it was inevitable that the oc and dc positions would remain as is. The chip Kelley rendezvous was simply a way to distract and make most feel slightly better about maintaining the status quo under Hackett instead of hiring a dumpster fire that would have been chip Kelley.


But who cares about the hire? Nobody, really. It comes down to bortles. Some want to look at the last 2 games as proof he has turned the corner and will be our franchise qb. Ok.


I also would like to fantasize that 2 games, one of which was against an awful team that was coming off the realization that their season was over and they didn't make the payoffs, proves that bortles is ready to take the next step.


I also understand looking back at 2015 with nostalgia. Looking at 2015 as a great season for bb5 is grand. I like to just think of all the wonderful td throws that were perfectly placed and were delivered in the clutch to either win the game or put us in position to win. Specifically, I think of the Hurns td catch in London to beat the bills. I imagine that every one of Blake's throws were that throw.


I ignore all the ints in 2015. I ignore all the passes that were just really 50\50 balls that were hopeful throws where bb5 was wistfully thinking that maybe ar15 or hurns would somehow come up with the ball. I ignore all the ints in the red zone. Or the fact that bb5 still can't throw a fade. Those things never happened in 2015.


In essence I'm just like a deep throw that bb5 chucks down the field. I'm a hopeful duck, fluttering through the air. Hoping for a soft landing. Hoping that marrone and hackett can blossom into playoff caliber coaches. Hoping that bortles will turn out to be a franchise qb because of 2 end of season games.


We'll all hope for the best in 2017. We'll all ignore the history of these guys. It's easier that way. It's easier to hope than to face the stark reality.

That's the spirit!!

Quote:I understand why a lot of folks feel this way. 

 

You'll just have to hope that since Hackett ran Olson's offense and Wash ran Bradley's defense you're going to see something very different come August. 

We definitely have to assume that exactly that was conveyed in the interviews. Hell, for all we know Marrone, Hackett, Wash have been telling management for a while that Gus's system wasn't working and needed change. Caldwell might have been a proponent of firing Gus earlier last season but Khan wanted to give him every chance and let his belief that mid season coach changes don't really ever produce the desired results. We just don't know.

Quote:We definitely have to assume that exactly that was conveyed in the interviews. Hell, for all we know Marrone, Hackett, Wash have been telling management for a while that Gus's system wasn't working and needed change. Caldwell might have been a proponent of firing Gus earlier last season but Khan wanted to give him every chance and let his belief that mid season coach changes don't really ever produce the desired results. We just don't know.

Eh, screw that. I prefer the doom and gloom approach.

Quote:From this past year's "wonderful performance" team, assistant head coach is promoted to head coach and both coordinators are maintained.  Sounds like a winning plan to me. 

But the HC's defensive scheme, and rah rah philosophies are all gone. So yeah

Quote:I understand why a lot of folks feel this way. 

 

You'll just have to hope that since Hackett ran Olson's offense and Wash ran Bradley's defense you're going to see something very different come August. 

Then this shoots holes in the "Hackett was best so Blake didn't have to learn another system yet again" point I saw plenty of people make. 

Quote:Then this shoots holes in the "Hackett was best so Blake didn't have to learn another system yet again" point I saw plenty of people make. 

Yeah... those people were wrong. He will have to learn a new system.

Shouldn't be that hard though... plenty of guys deal with it. It is the NFL.

Quote:Then this shoots holes in the "Hackett was best so Blake didn't have to learn another system yet again" point I saw plenty of people make. 

It'll be a different system.

However - Hackett was there for it and then ran it for a few weeks. He's aware of Bortles' strengths, weaknesses, and limitations on the field and in the QB meeting room.  He should be able to make that transition a bit smoother than someone coming in without all of that prior knowledge. 

It's really not a problem. Blake is in a contract year. Try to keep continuity and if he excels then we have the guy. If not, we evaluate the OC and move on from Blake. Stronger roster and a fresh qb at the helm.


Looks like a win win to me.

Quote:At this point, it doesn't even matter anymore.

 

 

Personally, I LOVE THE NEW SLOGAN !!!

 

 

"At this point, it doesn't even matter anymore."

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Hackett, the son of Bill Walsh disciple Paul Hackett, was a quality control coach for the <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/teams/tampabaybuccaneers/profile?team=TB'>Tampa Bay Buccaneers</a> and the <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF'>Bills</a> from 2006 to 2009. Nathaniel Hackett oversaw a <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000123515/article/what-will-doug-marrones-buffalo-bills-look-like'>massive overhaul</a> of the Syracuse offense this season, focusing on a stripped-down, no-huddle approach.


NFL.com's Ian Rapoport passed along word that Hackett leaned heavily on the <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF'>Bills</a>' playbook from the 1990s with the famed K-Gun offense. That's largely what Hackett ran at Syracuse in 2011, and the <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF'>Bills</a> are expected to take the same approach, with <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/teams/neworleanssaints/profile?team=NO'>New Orleans Saints</a> principles mixed in.


<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/1/19/3893372/what-to-expect-from-greg-olson-oakland-raiders-offense'>http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/1/19/3893372/what-to-expect-from-greg-olson-oakland-raiders-offense</a>


article kinda highlighting Olsen.


Hackett believes in run heavy.

Olsen, not so much.


Hackett likes the K-Gun, which is up tempo no huddle.



I don't think it's gonna look the same.


But whiners gonna whine.

I don't love the idea of keeping so many of the same ol dudes around. But under the guidance of TC... and the idea that its Maronne's team now with Hack as OC instead of some interim guys using old coaches books makes it palatable

From his work at Syracuse and buffalo, Hackett seems like he runs a system that could really work here.


He seems like a bright young mind at the OC position .


There is a bad taste left in Jacksonville from him serving under Olson with extremely underwhelming results, so the jury is definitely out.


But just as a whole picture, Hackett makes a lot of sense, and I think he has what it takes to elevate our offense. Let's just hope it pans out.

Quote:From this past year's "wonderful performance" team, assistant head coach is promoted to head coach and both coordinators are maintained.  Sounds like a winning plan to me. 

 

One could argue that 2 of the 3 coaches noted above actually received promotions (if you factor in Hackett being the QB coach during the Bortles debacle)

Quote:How can one person (Gus) be the only person responsible for what has gone on? They kept Caldwell, Hackett & Wash. #Jaguars

 

 

I can see it because it was the football culture that was lacking. On gameday, the Jaguars moved the ball up and down the field, and they stopped teams defensively, etc, but they struggled to win games because they consistently failed in the turnovers department typically managed to choke in the final minutes. The position coaches from what I can tell did their job, but it's like the culture for getting turnovers on defense and protecting the ball on offense was flat out lacking, as was the fundamentals for winning close football games in the end. That's all on the HC.

Quote:Personally, I LOVE THE NEW SLOGAN !!!

 

 

"At this point, it doesn't even matter anymore."

Quote:Then this shoots holes in the "Hackett was best so Blake didn't have to learn another system yet again" point I saw plenty of people make. 

 

They must have moved this thread to the NFL Draft section or something but to your post, not necessarily.

 

The plays and the playbook might be different, but being hackett or even Wash, for that matter, have been with the team, even when they were running someone elses scheme or plays, they can at the very least carry over some terminology or certain intricacies that they think could be beneficial. 

 

So even if the team needs to learn new plays or whatever else, Hackett and Wash can do small things to make the process as seamless as possible. 

 

They are also already familiar with the players. They know their strengths, weaknesses, maybe even what motivates the players individually as well. 

Quote:The staff isnt much of a problem, Blake is the problem.

 

 

I like Oley's passing scheme, but he over-worked Blake's arm to the point that he couldn't nail his deep passes like he was doing last year. At one point you can tell it was affecting his confidence, and it wasn't until the last few games that Blake finally started to look like the qb we know he can be.


 

With a slew of top notch position coaches, with Coughlin over-seeing everything, and with House fixing Bortles out west combined with what appears to be a re-newed focus on the run game, I'm excited for what next year will bring. I'm especially excited for the defense to take their act to the next level, and for Ramsey to turn in a Pro Bowl season.

Quote:I can see it because it was the football culture that was lacking. On gameday, the Jaguars moved the ball up and down the field, and they stopped teams defensively, etc, but they struggled to win games because they consistently failed in the turnovers department typically managed to choke in the final minutes. The position coaches from what I can tell did their job, but it's like the culture for getting turnovers on defense and protecting the ball on offense was flat out lacking, as was the fundamentals for winning close football games in the end. That's all on the HC.

 

There also have been a lot of blurbs coming out stating that gus gave players a specific role for each play and they werent allowed to adapt or change what they were doing even if the offense changed. 

 

just something as simple as that could have ruined the season. you cant keep smashing these square pegs in round holes. 

 

same thing on offense.... olson or gus, whoever decided on things like running toby up the middle 40 times in a row for no gain...its stuff like that, no creativity, no adapting, no halftime adjustments. 

 

gus left his ice cream fingerprints all over everything and it brought everyone down. 

Quote:Then this shoots holes in the "Hackett was best so Blake didn't have to learn another system yet again" point I saw plenty of people make. 

 

Yes, but Hackett knows and ran the old system, so he should have less trouble leading Blake into the new system. 

Quote:There also have been a lot of blurbs coming out stating that gus gave players a specific role for each play and they werent allowed to adapt or change what they were doing even if the offense changed. 

 

just something as simple as that could have ruined the season. you cant keep smashing these square pegs in round holes. 

 

same thing on offense.... olson or gus, whoever decided on things like running toby up the middle 40 times in a row for no gain...its stuff like that, no creativity, no adapting, no halftime adjustments. 

 

gus left his ice cream fingerprints all over everything and it brought everyone down. 

Gus was the absolute king of this and it blew my mind. Find out what your players do well and fit schemes to them. "Cyp. Go play single high safety" "Ivory. Go do these stretch runs." "Blake. Sit back and read the defense"

 

If the Jags had just run a basic 4-3 defense with no single high safety, they would have probably won more games in 2015. To me, Gus was a worse coach in 2015 than 16.

Finally David Coughlin does something that makes sense and retain Hacks.