Quote:what raw talent? His running ability is the only significant talent he has
Dude, he showed it in 2015 when his mechanics were solid.
If you hate Blake fine, but there's no doubt when his footwork is solid like his final two weeks and he doesn't have the egyptian throwing motion (which he hasn't always had until this year when they were allowed to get as bad as they were) he can most definitely be a franchise level QB.
Will those things get fixed? Who knows. We'll see what Blake does this offseason and if he can do it.
Quote:Timeout. Are you guys really looking at rankings from the last 2 games of the season? Don't let this jags media fool you pls
Those rankings were from week 9 when Hackett took over to the end of the season. Says it right in the paragraph.
Quote:Dude, he showed it in 2015 when his mechanics were solid.
If you hate Blake fine, but there's no doubt when his footwork is solid like his final two weeks and he doesn't have the egyptian throwing motion (which he hasn't always had until this year when they were allowed to get as bad as they were) he can most definitely be a franchise level QB.
Will those things get fixed? Who knows. We'll see what Blake does this offseason and if he can do it.
He wasnt actually that good in 2015. Thats the giant mountain no one seems to be able to get over. He just wasnt actually that good. the stats are really pretty i know 35 touchdowns 4500 yds i get i get it but hes not accurate in any sense, hes not efficient, he doesnt regularly make good decisions, hes just not very good at anything in particular besides running and throwing while running.
Quote:Not only did I watch the games I have all 16 available at my disposal. Just because the Jags and Bortles had 6 quarters of success in the last 2 games of another dead season doesn't answer squat. Bortles is not a franchise QB. Those last two games are not a microcosm of what Bortles or this offense will become just because Olsen is gone. Bortles is a major problem. Fix the Oline, get a RB and fullback and limit bortles to 15 to 20 passes per game. Then maybe this team will show signs on offense. But I'm hoping TC drafts a QB in the top four rounds to replace this dud of a QB asap.
Same here and I used to be on the "Bortles is a bust" bandwagon myself. But go back and watch those last two games. You'll see a guy who was sharp, throwing spirals and hitting guys in stride and making some terrific decisions. The difference was amazing. Did you notice that he had no picks in the last two games and had his highest completion percentage of the year? Listen, two games doesn't mean he can turn it around but I think there's definitely something to a young QB playing not to lose and a a young QB not feeling that pressure.
No one (or there should be no one) thinks he doesn't have the talent to get the job done so the question boils down to work ethic and coaching. I think coaching (plus some nagging injuries) had a lot to do with what happened to him between the Green Bay game and the last two games. I'm not ready to give up on the guy.
Quote:The Jaguars since Week 9 had 1 Win and 6 Losses
Wait, I thought we had the 6th ranked defense
IF we had the 6th ranked defense and only won 1 game in the final 7 with those great stats you cited .... then what is the problem?
Something is wrong ..... we just can't sit here and look at stats
HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM .... and beating you is one of them.
You forget one thing that cost plenty of games was the dumpster fire on Special Teams where we brought back one of the best to overhaul.. Straighten out the horrific kick cover teams and maybe have a return game.. Maybe also straighten out Meyers who once again tailed off at the end of season by missing FG's and XP's... Punter also tailed off the back half of season.
Quote:So will Hackett fix Bortles inacurrate duck passes?
Neither would Chip Kelly, or Mike McCoy or 1987 Joe Gibbs or whoever you would have been happy with as our OC.
Quote:That's fine, but it doesn't mean that you should just expect your QB to go off. There was some pretty damn good QB's that were very average to below average against them this past season. Our offense was pathetic against them the first time around.
Think it's pretty obvious Bortles looked much better regardless of their pass defense ranking. It's not just statistics, he was actually more accurate and his mechanics were in a lot better shape. That's what you look for.
No I agree with you that bortles looked visibly better against them.
Just that they were one of the worst pass defenses also. Like bottom 3 bad.
Quote:He wasnt actually that good in 2015. Thats the giant mountain no one seems to be able to get over. He just wasnt actually that good. the stats are really pretty i know 35 touchdowns 4500 yds i get i get it but hes not accurate in any sense, hes not efficient, he doesnt regularly make good decisions, hes just not very good at anything in particular besides running and throwing while running.
Wasn't statistics I used to judge him. If I had used stats than I'd think of him a lot higher than a potential franchise level QB when things are going good.
Fact is, the guy is young, takes a lot of shots (like a lot of QB's in this league), and likes to take chances. Just because he turns it over doesn't mean he can't be a franchise QB. A lot of guys that are at the top are gunslingers and take a lot of chances they PROBABLY shouldn't.
Quote:He wasnt actually that good in 2015. Thats the giant mountain no one seems to be able to get over. He just wasnt actually that good. the stats are really pretty i know 35 touchdowns 4500 yds i get i get it but hes not accurate in any sense, hes not efficient, he doesnt regularly make good decisions, hes just not very good at anything in particular besides running and throwing while running.
He was sensational in 2015 from a productivity standpoint. People get wrapped up in the interceptions and ignore the fact that highly productive QBs tend to have a high rate of interceptions. 2016, he really stank it up for 12 or 13 games. Gotta give him a chance to prove which was the real Bortles.
Quote:Timeout. Are you guys really looking at rankings from the last 2 games of the season? Don't let this jags media fool you pls
Those last two games told us all we need to know. Forget about the 2 1/2 seasons and 51 ints before them.
Quote:Those last two games told us all we need to know. Forget about the 2 1/2 seasons and 51 ints before them.
Exactly. Contrary to some people's opinions, young players can actually improve as they gain experience. Especially with a change in coaching.
Quote:Exactly. Contrary to some people's opinions, young players can actually improve as they gain experience. Especially with a change in coaching.
haha, you got me good. Nice troll job. :thumbsup:
Quote:Same here and I used to be on the "Bortles is a bust" bandwagon myself. But go back and watch those last two games. You'll see a guy who was sharp, throwing spirals and hitting guys in stride and making some terrific decisions. The difference was amazing. Did you notice that he had no picks in the last two games and had his highest completion percentage of the year? Listen, two games doesn't mean he can turn it around but I think there's definitely something to a young QB playing not to lose and a a young QB not feeling that pressure.
No one (or there should be no one) thinks he doesn't have the talent to get the job done so the question boils down to work ethic and coaching. I think coaching (plus some nagging injuries) had a lot to do with what happened to him between the Green Bay game and the last two games. I'm not ready to give up on the guy.
Good for you. Nothing wrong with blind faith. Ill be counting down till our new qb gets here.
Quote:Good for you. Nothing wrong with blind faith. Ill be counting down till our new qb gets here.
Blind faith?
Get over yourself dude lol. Sorry if not everyone has your line of thinking.
Quote:Blind faith?
Get over yourself dude lol. Sorry if not everyone has your line of thinking.
Ha, some of us just see the truth way sooner than others. You're a little slow but that's ok, one day it will become clear to you as well.
Quote:Ha, some of us just see the truth way sooner than others. You're a little slow but that's ok, one day it will become clear to you as well.
Than I guess Tom Coughlin, Doug Marrone, and Tony Khan should be taking a QB in the first two rounds without a doubt...right?
I mean, they have ZERO ties to Bortles and TC makes the decisions now.
Quote:Than I guess Tom Coughlin, Doug Marrone, and Tony Khan should be taking a QB in the first two rounds without a doubt...right?
I mean, they have ZERO ties to Bortles and TC makes the decisions now.
Why put a cap on the first two rounds? Because its safe and warm and fuzzy and affirms that Blake is the man? Not hardly. If a QB is drafted in the top 4 rounds it will be enough for me to understand the new QB is somewhat insurance when Bortles falters.
Quote:Why put a cap on the first two rounds? Because its safe and warm and fuzzy and affirms that Blake is the man? Not hardly. If a QB is drafted in the top 4 rounds it will be enough for me to understand the new QB is somewhat insurance when Bortles falters.
Oh boy, don't go out there on that limb man. I mean, it's not like most teams in the NFL don't already do this even when they have good QB situations.
Quote:Oh boy, don't go out there on that limb man. I mean, it's not like most teams in the NFL don't already do this even when they have good QB situations.
Lol, I'm going on a limb within 4 rounds and your too scared to expand it from the top 2 rounds. Maybe Bortles can turn it around, but at this point its not very likely. Bortles needs to be reigned into a game manager to be effective. At that point no one really wins because you need a QB that can flat out win you a game when you have to have it. Either way I'm done with your idiocy.