Quote:Lol, I'm going on a limb within 4 rounds and your too scared to expand it from the top 2 rounds. Maybe Bortles can turn it around, but at this point its not very likely. Bortles needs to be reigned into a game manager to be effective. At that point no one really wins because you need a QB that can flat out win you a game when you have to have it. Either way I'm done with your idiocy.
Idiocy?
Your the one thinking if we take a QB in rd 4 we don't think Bortles is the guy. That's idiocy.
Taking a guy round 3 or 4 means we are taking a developmental guy that can sit back and learn for 2-3+ years and you HOPE for a solid backup ala Tom Savage. There isn't Dak and Russell Wilsons very often.
Quote:He wasnt actually that good in 2015. Thats the giant mountain no one seems to be able to get over. He just wasnt actually that good. the stats are really pretty i know 35 touchdowns 4500 yds i get i get it but hes not accurate in any sense, hes not efficient, he doesnt regularly make good decisions, hes just not very good at anything in particular besides running and throwing while running.
Bortles is a guy that gets a lot of empty meaninless stats. Its been that way his entire tenure as a Jag. On top of that he shoots the Jaguars offense out of so many games with his turnover problems.
Quote:Bortles is a guy that gets a lot of empty meaninless stats. Its been that way his entire tenure as a Jag. On top of that he shoots the Jaguars offense out of so many games with his turnover problems.
The guy had no run game, a terrible OL, and a bottom 5 defense in 2015.
He didn't put up "meaningless stats", he kept this team in games and was forced to throw and throw and throw. So yes his stats were inflated (hence why no one viewed him as a top 5-8 QB last year like his stats indicated). Doesn't mean he just put up stats in garbage time or what he did wasn't impressive for a 2nd year QB.
Quote:The offense didn't look good when Olson was facing those same two secondaries, so you are WRONG.
Lol what dude?
You mean the first game where the Jags won in London against the Colts and scored 30 points? Yeah they didn't look good there. What about the Tennesee game where Blake threw for 337 yards and 3 TDs? Yeah def no good.
So, you are WRONG.
Those secondaries are terrible. Again, Olsens O would have been effective against them... again.
Quote:So everyone thinks Coughlin is going to the save the franchise but most disapprove of the coaches he signed off on? :thumbsup:
Not surprising everybody just skipped over this post. LOL. Spot on dude. :thumbsup:
People are praising Coughlin, sayin he's going to change this team with the guys he's hiring, then nobody even brings up his name when they disagree with a coaching hire.
Hey, you guys keep bringing up Gus and crew blah blah blah, but remember Coughlin has final say in everything right? He makes the decisions right? Well then, it's obvious he first handily signed off on Wash and Hackett coming back, since you know he has the final say.
You can't have it both ways kids.
It's because of Coughlin, when you agree with something and it's everybody else's fault (everybody else but Coughlin) when you don't agree with something. Since he's supposed to be running the show, he's the one rehiring Wash and Hackett. So yeah, deal with it lololololol
Quote:Lol what dude?
You mean the first game where the Jags won in London against the Colts and scored 30 points? Yeah they didn't look good there. What about the Tennesee game where Blake threw for 337 yards and 3 TDs? Yeah def no good.
So, you are WRONG.
Those secondaries are terrible. Again, Olsens O would have been effective against them... again.
Oh good lord. If you think he played anything better than utter [BAD WORD REMOVED] in that Tennessee game you are blind. Don't look at the damn box score. We got our [BAD WORD REMOVED] rocked and the game was over after like 1 quarter. Who the hell cares what his stats indicated? We were out of it from the get go.
THAT was garbage time. Not what he did in 12-13 of the 16 games in 2015.
Quote:Not surprising everybody just skipped over this post. LOL. Spot on dude. :thumbsup:
People are praising Coughlin, sayin he's going to change this team with the guys he's hiring, then nobody even brings up his name when they disagree with a coaching hire.
Hey, you guys keep bringing up Gus and crew blah blah blah, but remember Coughlin has final say in everything right? He makes the decisions right? Well then, it's obvious he first handily signed off on Wash and Hackett coming back, since you know he has the final say.
You can't have it both ways kids.
It's because of Coughlin, when you agree with something and it's everybody else's fault (everybody else but Coughlin) when you don't agree with something. Since he's supposed to be running the show, he's the one rehiring Wash and Hackett. So yeah, deal with it lololololol
Ive addressed this already with wash and more specifically Hackett. In my opinion this is a Marrone hire. But most notably I think its an effort to build continuity for one last ditch effort at giving bortles a chance at success. I really don't fault them at all really. We couldn't expect them to realistically cut bait before having the backup plan. But I think they will absolutely have things setting in motion for that moment they realize Bortles is not the answer. Free agency and the draft should give us some clues in their thinking /plan.
Quote:Oh good lord. If you think he played anything better than utter [BAD WORD REMOVED] in that Tennessee game you are blind. Don't look at the damn box score. We got our [BAD WORD REMOVED] rocked and the game was over after like 1 quarter. Who the hell cares what his stats indicated? We were out of it from the get go.
THAT was garbage time. Not what he did in 12-13 of the 16 games in 2015.
The team as a whole played like trash because they were unprepared by Bradley, not because Olsen offense. Marrone as HC and Olsen offense and you don't think the offense would have done decent in the last two games? Believe me, more than anything I wanted Olsen gone. Those two teams absolutely suck on defense. Using fan votes to run plays from the stands could have worked against them. Hackett shouldn't be praised as some sort of God like most of you guys are doing based on two games. I'll reserve my opinion on him when he actually goes up against a top defense, then we will know what he is all about.
Quote:Ive addressed this already with wash and more specifically Hackett. In my opinion this is a Marrone hire. But most notably I think its an effort to build continuity for one last ditch effort at giving bortles a chance at success. I really don't fault them at all really. We couldn't expect them to realistically cut bait before having the backup plan. But I think they will absolutely have things setting in motion for that moment they realize Bortles is not the answer. Free agency and the draft should give us some clues in their thinking /plan.
Coughlin hasn't hesitated to block Marrone from signing somebody. If Coughlin truly wanted and/or didn't like Wash or Hackett, he wouldn't hesitate to say no and get somebody else. He was obviously in complete agreement of those two being rehired and was obviously on board. He signed off on them being rehired. Point, blank, period.
There's no point in trying to spin it. If Coughlin has the final say, then that's exactly it. You don't get to pick and choose who was a Coughlin hire and who wasn't. Since he's suppose to be the man in charge, they're all Coughlin hires at the end of the day, right?
Quote:The team as a whole played like trash because they were unprepared by Bradley, not because Olsen offense. Marrone as HC and Olsen offense and you don't think the offense would have done decent in the last two games? Believe me, more than anything I wanted Olsen gone. Those two teams absolutely suck on defense. Using fan votes to run plays from the stands could have worked against them. Hackett shouldn't be praised as some sort of God like most of you guys are doing based on two games. I'll reserve my opinion on him when he actually goes up against a top defense, then we will know what he is all about.
We scored 0, I repeat ZERO, points in the first half.
Whatever you want to go with IDC, but our offense under Hackett was much better than anything Olsen did. The stats have been presented and shown to you that back that up comparing the first 9 weeks to the final 7.
Quote:We scored 0, I repeat ZERO, points in the first half.
Whatever you want to go with IDC, but our offense under Hackett was much better than anything Olsen did. The stats have been presented and shown to you that back that up comparing the first 9 weeks to the final 7.
Also, no one is calling Hackett a god but you so far. People are just pointing out our offense was much better (as the stats have shown) and Bortles two best games this past season happened to be the final two.
Whether that goes on into next year remains to be seen. Doesn't mean anything that has been said so far isn't true. Our run game went from bottom of the league to top 5 in multiple categories. Our red zone efficiency went from middle of the pack to top 5. etc.
That happened under Hackett while Bradley was still there for 5 of the 7 games.
Quote:Oh good lord. If you think he played anything better than utter [BAD WORD REMOVED] in that Tennessee game you are blind. Don't look at the damn box score. We got our [BAD WORD REMOVED] rocked and the game was over after like 1 quarter. Who the hell cares what his stats indicated? We were out of it from the get go.
THAT was garbage time. Not what he did in 12-13 of the 16 games in 2015.
Look kid I hate to do this to you but it has to be done: One of the main reasons we got "rocked" in that game is because we didn't have a competent QB. Below is from the fist half alone, series that resulted in 5 consecutive punts. Now I'm done...
1st and 10 at JAX 25
(10:11 - 1st) B.Bortles pass incomplete short left to A.Hurns [J.Casey].
3rd and 9 at JAX 26
(9:22 - 1st) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short right to A.Robinson.
3rd and 3 at JAX 31
(2:06 - 1st) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short middle to A.Robinson.
2nd and 6 at JAX 29
(14:15 - 2nd) B.Bortles pass incomplete short middle to J.Thomas.
3rd and 6 at JAX 29
(14:12 - 2nd) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short right to A.Robinson.
3rd and 4 at JAX 31
(9:07 - 2nd) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short left to A.Robinson.
1st and 10 at JAX 25
(7:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete deep right to A.Robinson.
1st and 10 at JAX 46
(6:30 - 2nd) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short right to J.Thomas (A.Blackson).
Quote:Look kid I hate to do this to you but it has to be done: One of the main reasons we got "rocked" in that game is because we didn't have a competent QB. Below is from the fist half alone, series that resulted in 5 consecutive punts. Now I'm done...
1st and 10 at JAX 25
(10:11 - 1st) B.Bortles pass incomplete short left to A.Hurns [J.Casey].
3rd and 9 at JAX 26
(9:22 - 1st) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short right to A.Robinson.
3rd and 3 at JAX 31
(2:06 - 1st) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short middle to A.Robinson.
2nd and 6 at JAX 29
(14:15 - 2nd) B.Bortles pass incomplete short middle to J.Thomas.
3rd and 6 at JAX 29
(14:12 - 2nd) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short right to A.Robinson.
3rd and 4 at JAX 31
(9:07 - 2nd) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short left to A.Robinson.
1st and 10 at JAX 25
(7:09 - 2nd) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete deep right to A.Robinson.
1st and 10 at JAX 46
(6:30 - 2nd) (Shotgun) B.Bortles pass incomplete short right to J.Thomas (A.Blackson).
Did you not see my post saying Bortles was utter [BLEEP] in that game?
No one is denying he was terrible this year...go back and read what I posted.
Quote:Coughlin hasn't hesitated to block Marrone from signing somebody. If Coughlin truly wanted and/or didn't like Wash or Hackett, he wouldn't hesitate to say no and get somebody else. He was obviously in complete agreement of those two being rehired and was obviously on board. He signed off on them being rehired. Point, blank, period.
There's no point in trying to spin it. If Coughlin has the final say, then that's exactly it. You don't get to pick and choose who was a Coughlin hire and who wasn't. Since he's suppose to be the man in charge, they're all Coughlin hires at the end of the day, right?
Yeah sure and? To reiterate its a continuity thing. Will see what Hackett can do.
Quote:Yeah sure and?
So then why are you so upset about some Coughlin hires?
Quote:Did you not see my post saying Bortles was utter [BAD WORD REMOVED] in that game?
No one is denying he was terrible this year...go back and read what I posted.
Het man you said don't look at the box score because the game was over in the first quarter. Naturally I looked at the box score to see why it was over in the first quarter. Annnnnnnnnnd yeah bortles just sux LOL.
Quote:We scored 0, I repeat ZERO, points in the first half.
Whatever you want to go with IDC, but our offense under Hackett was much better than anything Olsen did. The stats have been presented and shown to you that back that up comparing the first 9 weeks to the final 7.
The team showing up flat is more an indicator of the HC than the OC. How about the 27 points scored against the "6th ranked defense" in the first half? The entire team played terrible because of the bobblehead. Hackett was the OC I believe right after this Tenn game, where was the offense until Marrone took over? It was still terrible. Why? Bobblehead Gus doesn't know how to prepare his team. The offense started looking better when Marrone took over. Why? He has a better grasp on how to prepare his team. The team was also embarrassed on a national stage against the Titans and had extra motivation going into the game. The following week the team puts up 20 points against the Colts, but Olsons O put up 30 pts and a win. Does that make Olson better? No, it doesn't.
Hopefully Hackett is a great choice, and I trust they believe in him.
Quote:Het man you said don't look at the box score because the game was over in the first quarter. Naturally I looked at the box score to see why it was over in the first quarter. Annnnnnnnnnd yeah bortles just sux LOL.
Again, who is saying Bortles was anything other than terrible this year?
I'm waiting...
Quote:The team showing up flat is more an indicator of the HC than the OC. How about the 27 points scored against the "6th ranked defense" in the first half? The entire team played terrible because of the bobblehead. Hackett was the OC I believe right after this Tenn game, where was the offense until Marrone took over? It was still terrible. Why? Bobblehead Gus doesn't know how to prepare his team. The offense started looking better when Marrone took over. Why? He has a better grasp on how to prepare his team. The team was also embarrassed on a national stage against the Titans and had extra motivation going into the game. The following week the team puts up 20 points against the Colts, but Olsons O put up 30 pts and a win. Does that make Olson better? No, it doesn't.
Hopefully Hackett is a great choice, and I trust they believe in him.
I never said the team not showing up was an indicator of the OC more than the HC. Doesn't change the fact our offense was no where to be seen and we literally did nothing in the entire first half and didn't put up points til we were down by like 24+. Even an OC with a lifeless team should be able to muster up more than that against a defense that people keep saying is bottom 3 in the league, no?