Quote:Anti-vaxers ought be tried for child abuse, IMO
eh, I get where you're coming from but I'd stop short of calling it child abuse. My kids are vaccinated but I know some folks that opted out, honestly I'm not really sure what to think about all of it.
Quote:Why?
Because you're intentionally exposing them to preventable health risks.
Quote:Because you're intentionally exposing them to preventable health risks.
So do you qualify all vaccines the same? what about the HPV vaccine?
Quote:So do you qualify all vaccines the same? what about the HPV vaccine?
Some forms of HPV lead to Cervical Cancer, why wouldn't you want to protect your daughters from that devastating disease?
Quote:Some forms of HPV lead to Cervical Cancer, why wouldn't you want to protect your daughters from that devastating disease?
So you do view all vaccines on the same level then. I certainly don't. I routinely skip the flue shot for example, does that make me a bad person or guilty of a crime?
That's a pretty dangerous precedent to set, take this vaccine or face criminal punishment? Let's not pretend all vaccines have worked and never shown to make matters worse thought history, modern medicine is hardly flawless.
Quote:Anti-vaxers ought be tried for child abuse, IMO
What about the Flu Shot? Personally I've never gotten my flu shot, and my wife only gets it because her job requires it. My kids don't get flu shots either.
Other vaccines? Absolutely. But I'm very anti-flu shot.
I've never understood the Anti-flu shot crowd. Why on Earth would you take vaccines for things that are eradicated and yet not take them for one that kills something like 20,000 Americans every year?
Quote:So you do view all vaccines on the same level then. I certainly don't. I routinely skip the flue shot for example, does that make me a bad person or guilty of a crime?
It does make you potentially deadly to others around you. You could be asymptomatic yet contagious for up to 72 hours, passing along that little bug to everyone you come into contact with. Again my question, why would you risk the health of others over something stupidly simple like a flu shot?
Quote:It does make you potentially deadly to others around you. You could be asymptomatic yet contagious for up to 72 hours, passing along that little bug to everyone you come into contact with. Again my question, why would you risk the health of others over something stupidly simple like a flu shot?
Because there's a plethora of studies demonstrating that the flu vaccine isn't that effective and some studies that even claim it's more harmful then helpful. It's hardly full proof as most vaccines.
I'm grow elderberries right now, we plan to drink elderberry syrup occasionally to keep the immune system boosted. I've read that elderberries will even treat flu symptoms but I've never tested it.
I trust big pharma about as much as I trust big government which most should know now is little to none. Call me crazy
Quote:Because there's a plethora of studies demonstrating that the flu vaccine isn't that effective and some studies that even claim it's more harmful then helpful. It's hardly full proof as most vaccines.
I'm grow elderberries right now, we plan to drink elderberry syrup occasionally to keep the immune system boosted. I've read that elderberries will even treat flu symptoms but I've never tested it.
I trust big pharma about as much as I trust big government which most should know now is little to none. Call me crazy
It's not a conspiracy that cases of polio, mumps, measles etc... are nearly non existent with the exception being in the communities that refuse to vaccinate their children. And they are not doing it because the vaccines are not proven or could be potentially harmful like the previously mentioned HPV vaccine. They are doing it because some idiot blonde lady spouted some nonsense and they believe them over scientists and medical professionals.....
Quote:It's not a conspiracy that cases of polio, mumps, measles etc... are nearly non existent with the exception being in the communities that refuse to vaccinate their children. And they are not doing it because the vaccines are not proven or could be potentially harmful like the previously mentioned HPV vaccine. They are doing it because some idiot blonde lady spouted some nonsense and they believe them over scientists and medical professionals.....
I don't doubt those 3 are useful, like I said all 4 of my kids had the MMR vaccine. I'm just questioning the precedent we would set by mandating parents face a choice between medication or criminal prosecution. To me that's a much more dangerous threat then any resurgence of measles.
Quote:I don't doubt those 3 are useful, like I said all 4 of my kids had the MMR vaccine. I'm just questioning the precedent we would set by mandating parents face a choice between medication or criminal prosecution. To me that's a much more dangerous threat then any resurgence of measles.
In my opinion, it's no difference that not feeding your kid. Those parents are willfully ignoring the safety and health of their child. Refusing the standard vaccines for literally no plausible reason is absurd and criminally negligent (in my mind). It's the equivalent of treating your child like a dog and weighing the cost benefit ratio of the vet bill.
Quote:In my opinion, it's no difference that not feeding your kid. Those parents are willfully ignoring the safety and health of their child. Refusing the standard vaccines for literally no plausible reason is absurd and criminally negligent (in my mind). It's the equivalent of treating your child like a dog and weighing the cost benefit ratio of the vet bill.
The human body requires food to function, it doesn't require vaccines to function there's a huge difference. We've accepted that not feeding your child is neglect and a criminal action requiring government to step in and remove the child for their own well being. What you're advocating is setting a precedent that would essentially criminalize medical treatments. Where does it stop, with the MMR vaccine, what about the flu shot as others have pointed out?
medicine is hardly a full proof practice, are we really going to trust third parties to enforce medical treatment or start criminally prosecuting people that seek alternative means. I'm not arguing for someone avoiding vaccines, I'm simply staying it's a pretty risky precedent to threaten people with medical treatment or criminal prosecution.
Quote:The human body requires food to function, it doesn't require vaccines to function there's a huge difference. We've accepted that not feeding your child is neglect and a criminal action requiring government to step in and remove the child for their own well being. What you're advocating is setting a precedent that would essentially criminalize medical treatments. Where does it stop, with the MMR vaccine, what about the flu shot as others have pointed out?
medicine is hardly a full proof practice, are we really going to trust third parties to enforce medical treatment or start criminally prosecuting people that seek alternative means. I'm not arguing for someone avoiding vaccines, I'm simply staying it's a pretty risky precedent to threaten people with medical treatment or criminal prosecution.
Understandable. I agree it is a sticky thing. I am clearly no lawmaker no do I claim my ideas to be perfect.
We have also accepted that heard immunity is a real verifiable thing. This is not up for debate. They are not only endangering their own children but the rest of the community as well. We would not be criminalizing medical treatments but the lack there of. There has already been a precedent set in that regard on multiple occasions for parents refuses medical treatment and going with purely holistic treatment. I fail to see how willfully allowing your child to be able to contract deadly diseases is different.
Can someone tell me why these people think the standard vaccines are so dangerous?
Quote:Can someone tell me why these people think the standard vaccines are so dangerous?
In short they're probably crazy or listen to crazies.
Quote:Can someone tell me why these people think the standard vaccines are so dangerous?
Jenny McCarthy claims vaccination gave her kid autism. She's something of a celebrity so clearly this make her a scientist or a medical professional that the rest of the idiots followed.
Quote:In short they're probably crazy or listen to crazies.
Quote:Jenny McCarthy claims vaccination gave her kid autism. She's something of a celebrity so clearly this make her a scientist or a medical professional that the rest of the idiots followed.
Ahhhh, yes. I remember that now. Thank you. I tend to agree with you by the way, it is negligent and reckless behavior.
Quote:Jenny McCarthy claims vaccination gave her kid autism. She's something of a celebrity so clearly this make her a scientist or a medical professional that the rest of the idiots followed.
The true cause of autism follows the pattern of when GMO foods were implemented on a grand scale in the late eighties/early nineties.
The U.N. started the initiative in the sixties under the guise of Codex Alimentarius. Look it up,right there for you, in plain view!
The fact that a private entity thinks water should be privatized and by that admission, meaning you're not privileged enough to store water without a surcharge; that alone is all you need to know about these conglomerates, being that the only capacity they operate upon is to literally and not figuratively suck the living life out of you. That alone in its self gives me the right(you know,they call it free will) to come to any conclusion necessary after all things examined.