Quote:Now it's not happening, it's here no changing it. But absolutely we could have kept it off our borders. Simply doing what Air France has done and refusing to accept flights in and out of west Africa would've kept it out off our shores.
That's just silly. What about flights from other countries that don't have that same ban. Someone flies from West Africa to South Africa. Stays a week, then comes here. You can't ban flights from everywhere.
It was inevitable that Ebola would get here. It's best that we learn everything we can about it.
Quote:Agreed. I was pointing out specifically TMD and even you in this thread though. I don't want to generalize it so helps to be specific.
Not sure how I would make "republicans" look stupid sense I'm not a republican. But hey keep on generalizing.
Quote:Eric preaches freedom which is hilarious since he has all kind of laws in his free world.
Anarchy or Statism, typical establishment drivel. You can't preach about limited government if you endorse any government, I see hailyourvictor has good company.
Quote:That's just silly. What about flights from other countries that don't have that same ban. Someone flies from West Africa to South Africa. Stays a week, then comes here. You can't ban flights from everywhere.
It was inevitable that Ebola would get here. It's best that we learn everything we can about it.
Except that's not how it's spread anywhere at any point. EVERY case of this disease spreading has been from direct contact with West Africa. We can speculate what it might or might not have or will do in the future, but it simply hasn't gone "dormant" and crossed multiple nations at any point.
The disease is here as a DIRECT result of us failing to seal ourselves off from West Africa.
Quote:Not sure how I would make "republicans" look stupid sense I'm not a republican. But hey keep on generalizing.
Anarchy or Statism, typical establishment drivel. You can't preach about limited government if you endorse any government, I see hailyourvictor has good company.
Except that's not how it's spread anywhere at any point. EVERY case of this disease spreading has been from direct contact with West Africa. We can speculate what it might or might not have or will do in the future, but it simply hasn't gone "dormant" and crossed multiple nations at any point.
The disease is here as a DIRECT result of us failing to seal ourselves off from West Africa.
Did you read the article I posted?
Quote:It's hard to argue against that. I'm not convinced they "want" an outbreak but they've done just about everything possible to foster an outbreak. The border being my primary concern we have no idea who those people are, where they've been, what they have, and we shipped them all over the country.
Posts like this is why I lumped you in, but fair point and I take it back.
Quote:Did you read the article I posted?
Yea I'm not arguing it would be better for Africa, It would be better for the United States.
Quote:Posts like this is why I lumped you in, but fair point and I take it back.
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You must be one of those hyper sensitive republicans. Because I said they've done everything to foster an outbreak you lump that in with they want an outbreak.
Your so worried about looking like a moderate you can't take a stand on any position outside the mainstream.
Quote:Yea I'm not arguing it would be better for Africa, It would be better for the United States.
Then you didn't read the article. It would not be better as it would eventually spread every where. By doing nothing you are actually supporting ebola. Read the article.
Quote: You must be one of those hyper sensitive republicans. Because I said they've done everything to foster an outbreak you lump that in with they want an outbreak.
Your so worried about looking like a moderate you can't take a stand on any position outside the mainstream.
You also said his point is hard to argue. No, it isn't hard to argue. It's a completely ridiculous statement.
No, Libertarian or at least that is the closest thing I can "label" myself as such as yourself, no?
Quote:You also said his point is hard to argue. No, it isn't hard to argue. It's a completely ridiculous statement.
No, Libertarian or at least that is the closest thing I can "label" myself as such as yourself, no?
Sure it is hard to argue against it. Obama hasn't done anything to stop Ebola from spreading State side, he's done just about everything possible to create the perfect storm. Like I said, I'm not going to say he "wants" Ebola spreading here, but I'll argue he hasn't done anything meaningful to stop it.
Quote:Then you didn't read the article. It would not be better as it would eventually spread every where. By doing nothing you are actually supporting ebola. Read the article.
I read the article, they're argument is we can't seal off the 3 countries because they can't fight the disease on their own. That's not my point and never has been, sealing ourselves off from them is what we should have done.
We're not even restricting incoming flights from those 3 nations, you've got people coming over here as if nothing was going on. You can send help and still seal yourself off from them. Not letting public flights from West Africa for example, only sending trained medical staff with precautions before re-entry would be another step.
There was plenty of ways to "seal them off" and still get them help.
Quote:Ding ding ding. We have a winner in dumbest post on a MB.
Proving common sense isn't all that common. But keep on with your doomsday prepping, it could hit MCDs at anytime. Clearly, some people suffer from dumbarsola.
The POTUS is doing this on purpose? Yes. Just like the last one planned 9-11.
Tinfoil hat with four corners needed.
I'm not part of the people that believe 9-11 was the inside job.
I am however part of the people that believe that do not trust Obama's motives for this country and that he indeed knows that the only way he can continue to stay in power past his term is to impose martial law and this epidemic would be one method to get his desired outcome.
Quote:That's just silly. What about flights from other countries that don't have that same ban. Someone flies from West Africa to South Africa. Stays a week, then comes here. You can't ban flights from everywhere.
It was inevitable that Ebola would get here. It's best that we learn everything we can about it.
Just because it may have ultimately been inevitable that it reached our shores doesn't mean that we shouldn't have taken every precaution we could have to have slowed that result/ lessened the opportunities from it happening.
France did the correct thing.
We practically laid out the red carpet for ebola to come to the USA....as well as the asinine decision to put our 3000 soldiers in harms way over there (I'd bet that Obama's intent there is for it to spread throughout our military and others once they come back). Why else would you send 3000 troops there into that situation??? Its one thing to send select expert medical staff over there (and even THEY couldn't avoid getting it)....sending green troops over there has no benefit other than if your intent is to spread it to them and bring them back to spread the disease in the manner the president wants the disease spread.
Quote:We practically laid out the red carpet for ebola to come to the USA....as well as the asinine decision to put our 3000 soldiers in harms way over there (I'd bet that Obama's intent there is for it to spread throughout our military and others once they come back). Why else would you send 3000 troops there into that situation??? Its one thing to send select expert medical staff over there (and even THEY couldn't avoid getting it)....sending green troops over there has no benefit other than if your intent is to spread it to them and bring them back to spread the disease in the manner the president wants the disease spread.
I don't know how you expect to be taken seriously when you post drivel like this. You should stick to your NFL conspiracy against the Jaguars. It's no less preposterous, but at least it isn't about a serious topic, in the grand scheme of things.
Quote:I don't know how you expect to be taken seriously when you post drivel like this. You should stick to your NFL conspiracy against the Jaguars. It's no less preposterous, but at least it isn't about a serious topic, in the grand scheme of things.
When one can't argue against something, shuck & jive I guess.
You didn't address a single thing I said in the post you quoted.
oh, and why not quote the whole post?
You ignored the other 2 correct points intentionally.
Quote:Except that's not how it's spread anywhere at any point. EVERY case of this disease spreading has been from direct contact with West Africa. We can speculate what it might or might not have or will do in the future, but it simply hasn't gone "dormant" and crossed multiple nations at any point.
The disease is here as a DIRECT result of us failing to seal ourselves off from West Africa.
You're still skewing the discussion away from the point I disputed, that the government should not bring patients here proactively. Closing the borders is a different issue. Close them, build walls, live in bunkers - Ebola will eventually get here. Better to learn how to deal with it in the best facilities possible.
You're also naive if you think we should not be actively engaged in stopping the spread of Ebola in Africa. I know you're a strict isolationist, but we live in a global economy. That virus has a fertile feeding ground in under developed countries, and even in more modern countries, that are important to our national interest.
Quote:When one can't argue against something, shuck & jive I guess.
You didn't address a single thing I said in the post you quoted.
oh, and why not quote the whole post?
You ignored the other 2 correct points intentionally.
You are correct. I do not take you seriously, and I have no intention of ignoring the advice given in FBT's signature when posting in this forum any longer. I have no need to shuck and jive, I'm just not going to respond to nonsense.
If you think I'm dodging you, so be it.
Quote:You are correct. I do not take you seriously, and I have no intention of ignoring the advice given in FBT's signature when posting in this forum any longer. I have no need to shuck and jive, I'm just not going to respond to nonsense.
If you think I'm dodging you, so be it.
In reality you have no idea/ no way to prove what I assert in the post you blew off was "nonsense". Just because you like Obama doesn't make it nonsense.
Quote:You're still skewing the discussion away from the point I disputed, that the government should not bring patients here proactively. Closing the borders is a different issue. Close them, build walls, live in bunkers - Ebola will eventually get here. Better to learn how to deal with it in the best facilities possible.
You're also naive if you think we should not be actively engaged in stopping the spread of Ebola in Africa. I know you're a strict isolationist, but we live in a global economy. That virus has a fertile feeding ground in under developed countries, and even in more modern countries, that are important to our national interest.
I'll cite this part again and leave out the part with my opinion of why he's (Obamas) doing it:
Just because it may have ultimately been inevitable that it reached our shores doesn't mean that we shouldn't have taken every precaution we could have to have slowed that result/ lessened the opportunities from it happening.
France did the correct thing.
We practically laid out the red carpet for ebola to come to the USA....as well as the asinine decision to put our 3000 green soldiers in harms way over there. Its one thing to send some professional medical personnel over there to assist. Sending 3000 of our troops who have very limited experience in this realm was mind boggling at best, and what I said (in the other post) at worst.
Spread the virus amongst our military, so Obama can stayin power after his term.
There's no way anyone can prove this, so you can spout off all you want, making what you think rational thinking.
But sending the military in to get infected purposely proves me wrong. I already thought you have posted the most idiotic statement ever before, but you out did yourself on that one.
You really should seek help. Paranoia will destroy ya. There may be some room on the chuckle bus to take you that room just made for you at the assylum.
I remember weeks ago when people like rollerjag were making light of the ebola scare on here and acting like it was so hard to contract, "its not airborne", and that the one's concerned about it coming over here were overreacting....
I remember specifically being one that pointed out that there was a lot we probably didn't know about the disease and to take such a laissez-faire attitude about it was foolish. Many piggy backed rollerjags stance implying that it would never be an issue over here as were not a 3rd world country/ we've got better facilities/ blah blah blah....
Welp, the WHO now estimates that the amount of new cases is anticipated to climb to 10,000 per week soon, almost double than it was previously, and the first person has now contracted it on our own soil. Not only that but they have upped the death rate to 70% from 50%.
Still blowing off the threat, now??
The stick the head in the sand group is no better than the hypochondriac group the way I see it.
Quote:Spread the virus amongst our military, so Obama can stayin power after his term.
There's no way anyone can prove this, so you can spout off all you want, making what you think rational thinking.
But sending the military in to get infected purposely proves me wrong. I already thought you have posted the most idiotic statement ever before, but you out did yourself on that one.
You really should seek help. Paranoia will destroy ya. There may be some room on the chuckle bus to take you that room just made for you at the assylum.
Another who insults what was said, but by no means can prove it incorrect. Sending the 3000 green troops over there was either grossly incompetent or done intentionally via the reasoning I gave. One or the other. You decide.