Quote:Dave's words:
"...not that I wasn't comfortable with him [Gus], but... but I had no prior experience with Gus. I had no prior relationship with Gus."
Again, this was a press conference discussing the firing of Gus. You think he's just going to take the low route and say he wasn't comfortable with him from the get go and it was a terrible hire?
Also, no one is saying he wasn't comfortable with Gus or disliked him. Everyones argument is he wasn't "his guy" or "his choice". He said just that in his presser. Doesn't mean he didn't like Gus.
A lot of people loved Gus as a coordinator, hindsight is 20/20. People in here didn't want Gus to leave Jacksonville because we were worried he'd sign elsewhere and he was a highly touted DC under a great HC.
Dave deserves blame for the hire, no doubt about it. He's on the hot seat and out of town if a new coach can get things turned around relatively quickly. Doesn't mean the Khan's and co. didn't have a large hand/sort of forced Gus on Dave instead of who HE wanted.
That is my perspective. You can think what you want, that's my personal opinion.
Quote:I like the idea as well but dont get your hopes up. The biggest obstacle is that fact the Patriots are likely to be in a deep playoff run. The Jaguars are not waiting till the end of January for one guy.
Dave will talk to McDaneils prior to then I'm sure. If he gets the feeling this will be a done deal once the playoffs end I don't think it's far fetched. But yeah, I'd tend to agree. Then again, the Bucs and Steelers may very well be in the playoffs/go deep too. Haley and Smith are likely two high end candidates for us to go with Tom and Josh.
Unless it's Tom this isn't likely to get done anytime soon unfortunately. I just hope we hear we have "a deal" with one of these guys early on. They will want to start making calls for their staff asap.
Quote:Again, this was a press conference discussing the firing of Gus. You think he's just going to take the [BAD WORD REMOVED] route and say he wasn't comfortable with him from the get go and it was a terrible hire?
Also, no one is saying he wasn't comfortable with Gus or disliked him. Everyones argument is he wasn't "his guy" or "his choice". He said just that in his presser. Doesn't mean he didn't like Gus.
A lot of people loved Gus as a coordinator, hindsight is 20/20. People in here didn't want Gus to leave Jacksonville because we were worried he'd sign elsewhere and he was a highly touted DC under a great HC.
Dave deserves blame for the hire, no doubt about it. He's on the hot seat and out of town if a new coach can get things turned around relatively quickly. Doesn't mean the Khan's and co. didn't have a large hand/sort of forced Gus on Dave instead of who HE wanted.
That is my perspective. You can think what you want, that's my personal opinion.
I will agree. And I am not sure Botles was daves choice either.
Quote:Dave will talk to McDaneils prior to then I'm sure. If he gets the feeling this will be a done deal once the playoffs end I don't think it's far fetched. But yeah, I'd tend to agree. Then again, the Bucs and Steelers may very well be in the playoffs/go deep too. Haley and Smith are likely two high end candidates for us to go with Tom and Josh.
Unless it's Tom this isn't likely to get done anytime soon unfortunately. I just hope we hear we have "a deal" with one of these guys early on. They will want to start making calls for their staff asap.
I just dont see the Jaguars going the McDaniels route. I get the familiarity thing, but think about this, nobody wants to fire a friend, though Caldwell is most likely to go as its his last year of his contract. Caldwell needs to win now, there is nothing else that needs to be said. The Jaguars must win now or we are back to square 1. In my opinion these are the three candidates most likely to get hired.
1. Coughlin
2. Todd Haley
3. Mike Smith
All 3 have a ton of experience and in my eyes can get this thing turned around quickly.
Quote:Dave's words:
"...not that I wasn't comfortable with him [Gus], but... but I had no prior experience with Gus. I had no prior relationship with Gus."
Did he have any past relationship or experience with other candidates?
Khan, Tony and Lamping didn't have any past experience with Gus they liked his pitch Dave clearly was on the fence and liked someone else in my opinion.
Your aloud to disagree but my opinion will still stay the same based on what Dave said and the fact that Khan really didn't seem to want to fire Gus yet somehow after a talk between Dave and him Gus was let go.
Quote:Again, this was a press conference discussing the firing of Gus. You think he's just going to take the [BAD WORD REMOVED] route and say he wasn't comfortable with him from the get go and it was a terrible hire?
Also, no one is saying he wasn't comfortable with Gus or disliked him. Everyones argument is he wasn't "his guy" or "his choice". He said just that in his presser. Doesn't mean he didn't like Gus.
A lot of people loved Gus as a coordinator, hindsight is 20/20. People in here didn't want Gus to leave Jacksonville because we were worried he'd sign elsewhere and he was a highly touted DC under a great HC.
Dave deserves blame for the hire, no doubt about it. He's on the hot seat and out of town if a new coach can get things turned around relatively quickly. Doesn't mean the Khan's and co. didn't have a large hand/sort of forced Gus on Dave instead of who HE wanted.
That is my perspective. You can think what you want, that's my personal opinion.
That's a lot of words having to be added to what Dave said, to try to explain what Dave said.
Nothing in what he said indicated Gus was forced on Dave by anyone. He indicated he had to make cold calls and they were behind the 8 ball in getting a staff put together, yes. But there's no indication he was forced on Dave by anyone in the organization.
If you want to make the argument there was discomfort in the timing/pace of hiring Gus - yes, I buy that. But he himself admits being an integral part of the hire, as being joined at the hip with Gus, and makes no indication whatsoever he was overridden or coerced by anyone in the organization into hiring Gus against his will.
Quote:I just dont see the Jaguars going the McDaniels route. I get the familiarity thing, but think about this, nobody wants to fire a friend, though Caldwell is most likely to go as its his last year of his contract. Caldwell needs to win now, there is nothing else that needs to be said. The Jaguars must win now or we are back to square 1. In my opinion these are the three candidates most likely to get hired.
1. Coughlin
2. Todd Haley
3. Mike Smith
All 3 have a ton of experience and in my eyes can get this thing turned around quickly.
Honestly though, the quickest route to wins is hiring a bright mind to fix Blake/bring in a QB that can be average to win games with the defense that has been assembled and use the weapons we clearly have at WR and should have at RB if we had a better run blocking OL (LG/RT). McDaniels, Haley, and Coughlin are likely the top 3 guys for just that. Mike Smith is a great mind but his forte isn't offense, so he'd need to have a very good offensive mind coming in to help with that (McCoy, Lynn, etc would be ideal).
Haley had some serious woes in KC too. He freaked out thinking his office was bugged and stuff. That's pretty alarming too...lol.
My list goes:
1) Coughlin
2) Smith
3) Haley
4) McDaneils when it comes to proven HC candidates. I'd really like any of the hires.
Quote:That's a lot of words having to be added to what Dave said, to try to explain what Dave said.
Nothing in what he said indicated Gus was forced on Dave by anyone. He indicated he had to make cold calls and they were behind the 8 ball in getting a staff put together, yes. But there's no indication he was forced on Dave by anyone in the organization.
If you want to make the argument there was discomfort in the timing/pace of hiring Gus - yes, I buy that. But he himself admits being an integral part of the hire, as being joined at the hip with Gus, and makes no indication whatsoever he was overridden or coerced by anyone in the organization into hiring Gus against his will.
Agreed.
People are overthinking things, though its to be expected in a miserable season where the coach was fired. Dave hired Gus, Dave drafted Bortles. Both were his guys. I am a big Caldwell guy, but hes just as responsible for this as Gus. Khan didnt force anything onto Dave, in fact, in my opinion, Khan didnt get involved in the football operations at all till the very end. Khan should of been more involved and maybe this season would not of been so disastrous.
Gus was hired by Dave Caldwell. Dave Caldwell is in the last year of his deal, he has 1 year to hire a coach that can turn this around quickly or hes gone as well.
Quote:That's a lot of words having to be added to what Dave said, to try to explain what Dave said.
Nothing in what he said indicated Gus was forced on Dave by anyone. He indicated he had to make cold calls and they were behind the 8 ball in getting a staff put together, yes. But there's no indication he was forced on Dave by anyone in the organization.
If you want to make the argument there was discomfort in the timing/pace of hiring Gus - yes, I buy that. But he himself admits being an integral part of the hire, as being joined at the hip with Gus, and makes no indication whatsoever he was overridden or coerced by anyone in the organization into hiring Gus against his will.
Personally, I view the quote from the reporter with his response saying Gus was forced on him. Not in the aspect of him hating Gus and never wanting him to come here, but when it comes to Gus being the guy he wanted back in 2013 or at the top of his list his words sure made it sound like it wasn't the case.
There's no doubt Dave had a large voice in the hiring process. I just think Tony and Shad also had large voices. When you look at the interview, I guess I just personally take away that he liked Gus and wanted him, but not as much as a couple other candidates.
Like I said, Gus was a highly touted guy back in 2013. We really need to take this into account. This wasn't Dave hiring some lame duck terrible canddiate. This was a guy that learned under Pete Carroll who was having amazing success with an elite defense with this guy as the defensive coordinator. It's just like a guy like Matt Patricia now who is working under BB and constantly winning.
Then when you take into account Gus's vibe that he gives off (no one in here can tell me they didn't like how Gus talked or his personality when he first got here, yes it wore off quickly but that man has an incredible optimism and could be an amazing salesman).
Was a terrible hire, whoever did it. That's why I want a proven guy and not another one of those highly touted coordinators. You just don't know how they do in a different role. Sure you could hit it big, but it's too big of a ???
Quote:Honestly though, the quickest route to wins is hiring a bright mind to fix Blake/bring in a QB that can be average to win games with the defense that has been assembled and use the weapons we clearly have at WR and should have at RB if we had a better run blocking OL (LG/RT). McDaniels, Haley, and Coughlin are likely the top 3 guys for just that. Mike Smith is a great mind but his forte isn't offense, so he'd need to have a very good offensive mind coming in to help with that (McCoy, Lynn, etc would be ideal).
Haley had some serious woes in KC too. He freaked out thinking his office was bugged and stuff. That's pretty alarming too...lol.
My list goes:
1) Coughlin
2) Smith
3) Haley
4) McDaneils when it comes to proven HC candidates. I'd really like any of the hires.
Mike Smith is a solid hire, but in my opinion, you have to bank on a offensive coordinator for that too work. Kinda like with Gus Bradley. I just want a good head coach with experience who will install discipline and bring a winning culture to the locker room. I also dont think Blake Bortles matters, people dont realize how hot Dave Caldwells seat is. Hes got to win now, even in his presser, he said he wants a coach that will come in and give a fair opinion on Blake Bortles, it doesn't matter if its good or bad. Team needs to win now. Blake will likely be the QB, but no matter who is the coach, competition will be brought in and real competition to not only compete with Blake but to possibly unseat him.
Quote:Mike Smith is a solid hire, but in my opinion, you have to bank on a offensive coordinator for that too work. Kinda like with Gus Bradley. I just want a good head coach with experience who will install discipline and bring a winning culture to the locker room. I also dont think Blake Bortles matters, people dont realize how hot Dave Caldwells seat is. Hes got to win now, even in his presser, he said he wants a coach that will come in and give a fair opinion on Blake Bortles, it doesn't matter if its good or bad. Team needs to win now. Blake will likely be the QB, but no matter who is the coach, competition will be brought in and real competition to not only compete with Blake but to possibly unseat him.
Yes, Bortles is either going to turn it around or is gone next year. I'm just saying that we need average QB play and our best bet is to get Bortles to that point. Getting a veteran QB in FA likely isn't going to give us aveage play. We aren't getting a rookie that is going to give us average play most likely. If we want a quick turnaround, we need Blake to at least play adequately imo.
With all the firings that are likely to occur, luckily there will be options. Anthony Lynn is likely a HC possibility but man would he be a nice guy to bring in at OC. Same with McCoy leaving SD.
Quote:To this day, it blows my mind that TMD is banned but not her.
exactly. He was often wrong but it was interesting and made the forum funnier
Quote:Yes, Bortles is either going to turn it around or is gone next year. I'm just saying that we need average QB play and our best bet is to get Bortles to that point. Getting a veteran QB in FA likely isn't going to give us aveage play. We aren't getting a rookie that is going to give us average play most likely. If we want a quick turnaround, we need Blake to at least play adequately imo.
With all the firings that are likely to occur, luckily there will be options. Anthony Lynn is likely a HC possibility but man would he be a nice guy to bring in at OC. Same with McCoy leaving SD.
I cant give up on Bortles yet. He flashed too many big times to just say he magically lost it all. We do need some competition brought in.... McCoy is a name I haven't heard thrown in the mix
Quote:I cant give up on Bortles yet. He flashed too many big times to just say he magically lost it all. We do need some competition brought in.... McCoy is a name I haven't heard thrown in the mix
Quote:I cant give up on Bortles yet. He flashed too many big times to just say he magically lost it all. We do need some competition brought in.... McCoy is a name I haven't heard thrown in the mix
I'm talking about Mike McCoy the HC of the Chargers as a name if he's fired from SD and we hire a defensive minded HC.
Quote:I was disagreeing with that one guy because he thinks my posts are too long. And hes rude and snarky about it.
As far as Coughlin, hes got two super bowls, has deep roots in Jacksonville and wants one more shot at coaching. Caldwell absolutely needs to win now and has a very short leash. Needs to get discipline and a winning culture installed. Will this move guarantee the playoffs? No, but I can promise you, the talent will be coached and we will compete. Something the Jaguars haven't done in a decade.
Your first line is the most condescending thing outside a JDub around here today. Type out all you want, but nothing you say indicates that "people need to realize" anything. You have no inside knowledge unless you are in fact Shad Khan. You have an opinion. That's nice.
Quote:I'm talking about Mike McCoy the HC of the Chargers as a name if he's fired from SD and we hire a defensive minded HC.
Yea I know... wasn't thinking Colt McCoy haha
Quote:Hello Mike Smith.
thats what I pulled from that statement too.... im cool with Smith as HC but I hope they can bring in an OC thats alot more creative than what we are used to
Quote:Yea I know... wasn't thinking Colt McCoy haha
Gotcha lol.
Sounded sort of that way for some reason to me.
Quote:He'll hate Dave forever for passing on his squeeze.
I actually quite like most of the things about Dave and I defended him last offseason, but I can't for the life of me understand why out of all of the bad GMs in NFL history he deserves to be the first one to make a 5th straight top 5 pick.