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Quote:I like Van Noy more than Barr. Van Noy doesn't have the athleticism or size that Barr does, but is much more polished, better in the run and coverage, and makes plays on the ball. If we wanted to make our LB corps go from a weakness to a strength (assuming no franchise QBs, of course), take Mack at 3 and Van Noy at 37, or whatever our second round pick is. Gives us two versatile playmakers on either side who can stop the run, cover, and rush the passer. Me likey.

Agreed, I would be more than happy with that.  And if some how we can get the best cover guy in the sencondary, Jimmie Ward in the 3rd for FS.    Van Noy is probably the best cover OLB in the draft.

 

Oh yeah, and sign Red Bryant to start over Alu to help the run D.

Quote:Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I think Barr's gonna be a good player, especially in the right system. I even think that system could be here. I just don't think he has the polish necessary to go at 3. He struggles mightily getting off blocks in the run game, especially. Van Noy has some inconsistencies as well, but he has a habit of making a play when one needs to be made.

Your idea sounds good in theory until I remember that we have no one under center

Call me crazy but I want Telvin Smith.

 

I don't think he can play immediately on a consistent basis, but as a weakside linebacker if he just adds another 10-12 lbs I think he will be a beast.

 

Smith and Joyner from FSU, although physically not as gifted as you'd hope, are just ballers. 

Quote:Call me crazy but I want Telvin Smith.

 

I don't think he can play immediately on a consistent basis, but as a weakside linebacker if he just adds another 10-12 lbs I think he will be a beast.

 

Smith and Joyner from FSU, although physically not as gifted as you'd hope, are just ballers. 

Move him to strong safety, play a Kam Chancellor role

 

Him and Cyps could be the Seattle back like all over again

Quote:Move him to strong safety, play a Kam Chancellor role

 

Him and Cyps could be the Seattle back like all over again

 

Wouldn't work, Cyp is already playing the Cam Chancellor (SS) role.

 

We don't have the ball-hawk FS that Earl Thomas is.

 

Besides, I think Smith at 6'3" and 230 lbs is reasonable to expect by the time the season rolls around.  Bulk up 12lbs in 6 months is doable.

Quote:Move him to strong safety, play a Kam Chancellor role

 

Him and Cyps could be the Seattle back like all over again

The last thing we need is another SS when we already have 4 of them on the roster. Cyprien has far more range then Kam has, but he (Cyp) isn't a deep middle FS and never will be.

 

Our 1st and 2nd round draft picks HAVE to start from day 1. Heck, whoever we take in the 3rd round (and the 4th honestly in this draft due to how deep it is) should be able to start from day 1 also, with how deep this draft is and with how void of talent this team is.

 

They cannot reach on developmental guys in the first 3 rounds of this draft. They need to draft guys who they think can be the 1's from the start.

Quote:Wouldn't work, Cyp is already playing the Cam Chancellor (SS) role.

 

We don't have the ball-hawk FS that Earl Thomas is.

 

Besides, I think Smith at 6'3" and 230 lbs is reasonable to expect by the time the season rolls around.  Bulk up 12lbs in 6 months is doable.

 

 

Quote:The last thing we need is another SS when we already have 4 of them on the roster. Cyprien has far more range then Kam has, but he (Cyp) isn't a deep middle FS and never will be.

 

Our 1st and 2nd round draft picks HAVE to start from day 1. Heck, whoever we take in the 3rd round (and the 4th honestly in this draft due to how deep it is) should be able to start from day 1 also, with how deep this draft is and with how void of talent this team is.

 

They cannot reach on developmental guys in the first 3 rounds of this draft. They need to draft guys who they think can be the 1's from the start.

Very good points, Can't argue

Quote:The last thing we need is another SS when we already have 4 of them on the roster. Cyprien has far more range then Kam has, but he (Cyp) isn't a deep middle FS and never will be.

 

Our 1st and 2nd round draft picks HAVE to start from day 1. Heck, whoever we take in the 3rd round (and the 4th honestly in this draft due to how deep it is) should be able to start from day 1 also, with how deep this draft is and with how void of talent this team is.

 

They cannot reach on developmental guys in the first 3 rounds of this draft. They need to draft guys who they think can be the 1's from the start.

Telvin Smith is a starting 4-3 outside linebacker from day one. Put a donut around his neck if you think it makes him look tougher. He is a sideline to sideline workhorse.

 

The thing is can you also draft Christian Jones? You have a terrific matched set and you hate to break them up.

Telvin just needs to gain weight. He's a heck of a player but how well can a 215 pound OLB hold up against the run?


Discredit this if he already has gained good weight, didn'twatch him in the combine

Quote:Telvin just needs to gain weight. He's a heck of a player but how well can a 215 pound OLB hold up against the run?


Discredit this if he already has gained good weight, didn'twatch him in the combine

 

I got 6-2 7/8 and 218 Lbs. 

 

I was just watching some of the draft breakdown video (FSU v. Boston College) and Telvin Smith is awful as a linebacker. It appears that FSU is really back-heavy at safety and either the defensive line chases and tackles from behind, or the bigger safeties come forward with a head of steam to make the tackles.

 

He's like a nickel linebacker that gets left on the field by mistake and has to make the best of things. Man, they really tackle by committee. FSU safety #13 looks like Telvin Smith's big brother.

 

I wonder if Mayock only watched the BCS game?

Quote:They cannot reach on developmental guys in the first 3 rounds of this draft. They need to draft guys who they think can be the 1's from the start.

I agree that the team's draft picks this year need to contribute, but the same could be said every year. Would you pass Colin Kaepernick to draft Andy Dalton? That's the question you approach when saying that the team needs to draft day-one guys. If the Jaguars believe that a guy can be a star if he sits for a year, I'd rather they draft that guy than take the player who'll start on day one and plateau almost immediately.

 

I do strongly agree with you on the safety situation, although I think you're being a little generous in considering Prostinksi a strong safety. I think of him more as a slice of toast. A very fast slice of toast, no doubt about that, but toast all the same.

 

Also, if Telvin Smith stays at his current weight, he may find it very hard to land a linebacker job. That's not to say it can't be done, especially in a scheme that favors smaller linebackers like the one Lovie Smith runs, but sub-220 lb. linebackers--true linebackers, not guys who only play special teams and wear #50 because it was available--are few and far between.

Quote:I agree that the team's draft picks this year need to contribute, but the same could be said every year. Would you pass Colin Kaepernick to draft Andy Dalton? That's the question you approach when saying that the team needs to draft day-one guys. If the Jaguars believe that a guy can be a star if he sits for a year, I'd rather they draft that guy than take the player who'll start on day one and plateau almost immediately.

 

I do strongly agree with you on the safety situation, although I think you're being a little generous in considering Prostinksi a strong safety. I think of him more as a slice of toast. A very fast slice of toast, no doubt about that, but toast all the same.

 

Also, if Telvin Smith stays at his current weight, he may find it very hard to land a linebacker job. That's not to say it can't be done, especially in a scheme that favors smaller linebackers like the one Lovie Smith runs, but sub-220 lb. linebackers--true linebackers, not guys who only play special teams and wear #50 because it was available--are few and far between.

I'm not sold on Kaepernick at all considering he's an average thrower at best and that might be, being nice. Dalton is pretty much the same, minus the running ability and I wouldn't want either in the 2nd round honestly. If their teams weren't completely stacked with talent, they'd be huge question marks in my opinion (they're still question marks, they just look a little better due to how talented of teams they're on).

 

That's fine if they want to take developmental guys with the first 3 picks in the draft. However, for Gus and Caldwell's jobs sake, they better dang well be 100% correct about them if that's the case. They cannot afford to miss on guys in the 1st 3 rounds. I know every pick is a gamble in the draft, but the first 3 rounds are not meant to take gambles on developmental guys, especially at this point in time with this franchise.

 

I was being very generous on Pros as a SS. I honestly don't think he'll make this final roster in this up coming season.

barr will need a dion jordan situation for a year or perhaps more to get up to speed, develop and learn the intricacies of the position but his speed his athleticism and potential is extremely high.

 

The most accurate thing i read about barr is that he is best in pursuit and weak at the point of attack. This is extremely true and he has the burst and explosiveness to track ball carriers down in the backfield but he struggles to shed blockers which is probably due to his lack of strength. His motor however is relentless and he will get stuffed up hit you again, get stuffed up and surge again until he gets through.

 

That beings said I agree he isn't worth taking at 3. We need immediate impact players which leaves you with a choice of clowney, mack or a qb who could really make an immediate impact on our team. Sammy watkins could have an impact but if blackmon comes back that relegates one of three solid playmakers and negates ace sanders impact entirely.

 

at the end of the day if you dont believe there is a franchise qb on the board you go defense

if you believe you can motivate him you take clowney

if not you try and trade the pick to someone who does want him

if not you take mack at 3

 

all those scenarios I'm happy with

For the DL and LBs

 

I liked:

DL

Hageman, Jernigan, Donald, Quarles, Chris Smith, A. Johnson

 

LB

Borlan, Morris, T. Smith, C. Jones, Barr, A. Williamson

Quote:For the DL and LBs


I liked:

DL

Hageman, Jernigan, Donald, Quarles, Chris Smith, A. Johnson


LB

Borlan, Morris, T. Smith, C. Jones, Barr, A. Williamson

I can agree with DL group big fan of Jernigan myself

Thoughts on Louis nix??

Terrance Brooks runs a 4.41 on his first attempt. Very surprised by that time.

Dennard and Gilbert wrapped up the top 2 DB spots with those two very impressive times IMO. 

Quote:I got 6-2 7/8 and 218 Lbs.


I was just watching some of the draft breakdown video (<a class="bbc_url" href='http://draftbreakdown.com/video/telvin-smith-vs-boston-college-2013/'>FSU v. Boston College</a>) and Telvin Smith is awful as a linebacker. It appears that FSU is really back-heavy at safety and either the defensive line chases and tackles from behind, or the bigger safeties come forward with a head of steam to make the tackles.


He's like a nickel linebacker that gets left on the field by mistake and has to make the best of things. Man, they really tackle by committee. FSU safety #13 looks like Telvin Smith's big brother.


I wonder if Mayock only watched the BCS game?

But bigjohn98 said he is a stud. Must be true because we know he has an unbiased opinion.

Quote:Dennard and Gilbert wrapped up the top 2 DB spots with those two very impressive times IMO.

I would be fine with Dennard at 3.

Quote:I would be fine with Dennard at 3.

What....no... Not at 3.... Maybe if we trade down