Where is this multitude of elite SEC quarterbacks in the NFL or the past several drafts? They face the best competition so clearly these QBs are the best. I mean lets ignore the fact that these SEC teams often have such a large volume of elite talent that an elite QB isn't even required to win. All the QB has to do is manage the game: either hand off to the elite back or throw to their top 5 WR in the nation.
Quote:But Louisville wasn't on the Gators' 2012 schedule. The Cardinals were invited to the Sugar Bowl, as were the Florida Gators. There's a big difference between inferring the two teams had any kind of annual date agreement and the ambush that took place in New Orleans.
The stubborn fact is Bridgewater had a solid month to prepare for the single game, and, his head coach retained enough inside information on Gainesville to pull off the upset.
really, thats what you are going to go with? Thats the case for most Bowl games.
Quote:I would classify him as a high quality safe pick. I'm just not sure he can overcome a lack of physical tools...
The same was said about Peyton Manning. Teddy seems to be getting this same "can he get much better" stigma attached to him.
Quote:The same was said about Peyton Manning. Teddy seems to be getting this same "can he get much better" stigma attached to him.
But Peyton did have the physical tools....at least in build (6' 5", 235-240) compared to Teddy's 6'1", 190.
Quote:Are you SURE about that? The Gator fans around here tend to overrate their own team, and by extension, overrate the competition that beats them. The Bridgewater hype started just after the Sugar Bowl, and has been steadily building steam. It's not like Louisville is a one-man team either. They quietly had one of the best defenses in the country this year.
Which is actually my biggest question mark about Bridgewater: How will he fare against elite competition? The best team he faced this year was UCF. We know how that ended. Their unranked bowl game opponent was a joke, too.
It's one thing when the University of Cincinnati is sending their best at your best, and another thing entirely when you have Watt in your face or Mathis at your waist.
I'm not against drafting him, mind you, I'm just agreeing he's overrated by this board. And there are many reasons, but one is the Gator factor. It's so ingrained here, I'm sure it just doesn't occur to people - especially the fans posting. And I'm not sure he's the best QB in the draft. In fact, odds are, he's not.
In fairness, Bridgewater had Louisville primed to win that game vs. UCF. Some conservative playcalling and key-turnover later swung the momentum towards UCF's favor. On the flip-side, I don't think we're giving that UCF offense enough credit. Yes, Bortles is pretty good. But that OL dominated what had otherwise been a pretty good Baylor defense. UCF went up 14-7 with maybe 1 or 2 throws from Bortles (don't know the exact stats, but it was very few pass attempts). That's how good that OL played...so its no surprise that they too managed to move the ball against Louisville's similarly good defense. They also have some good receivers/back that can stress a defense (as we saw by Bortles two TDs being YAC TDs by the receiver).
And I'm faaaar from a Gator/SEC apologist.
Quote:But Peyton did have the physical tools....at least in build (6' 5", 235-240) compared to Teddy's 6'1", 190.
The shortest Bridgewater is 6'2...Heck he was 6'3 coming out of high school, even if the height is embelished he has grown a bit in college
Quote:But Peyton did have the physical tools....at least in build (6' 5", 235-240) compared to Teddy's 6'1", 190.
Plus the physical tool argument is a fraud one unless the qb in question has a noodle arm or is 5 foot nothing
Quote:It isn't that simple
Bill Polian "Every quarterback is a game manager, it's what the job is all about."
You don't plan for game manager QB's. Has anyone ever said "Boy... we can't let Alex Smith or Flacco beat us this game." Everyone game plans for Manning and Brady because they make the game. They don't manage it.
Quote:But Peyton did have the physical tools....at least in build (6' 5", 235-240) compared to Teddy's 6'1", 190.
Teddy weighs more than 190.
But yes, Manning had prototypical size, whereas Teddy does not. If Manning was 6'2, 200 pounds, like Teddy is, I have a hard time believing he still wouldn't light the league on fire.
Quote:Indy's defense stunk for large portions of this year including in the WC playoff game. They gave up huge points on too many occasions this season.
Andy Dalton has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's not the QB a team needs to lead them in the playoffs. He's got a stacked team around him and still has proven far ineffective. He's 0-3 in the playoffs now, and just threw his first (and only) playoff TD on Sunday, to go along with 6 INT's over that span.
I'm referring to Alex Smith.
Quote:But Peyton did have the physical tools....at least in build (6' 5", 235-240) compared to Teddy's 6'1", 190.
Didn't know the combine already happened. Thanks for the update.
Quote:Gators had a solid month to prepare for the single game, and had NFL caliber defense to boot
Elam, Floyd, jenkins, bostic, evans
And this is exactly my point.
The Gators had a good defense to be sure, but it wasn't exactly Alabama's, and neither was "NFL caliber". That Florida team had a few players that went to the NFL, but by-and-large, the team wasn't good enough to beat Louisville. And then Bridgewater had a great game.
So then Bridgewater came into the first few games of 2013, with, what at least one poster posited, an "Aikman, Manning, and Luck" grade. Before Louisville played a single ranked opponent, a good portion of us entertained the thought that Jax would be best served to lose every game just to assure we'd get him. I mean, where the hell did that come from if not his Sugar Bowl performance? Beating Florida International? The only quality win they had was against Central Florida.
Oh yeah, they lost that game. Whoops.
In order to even participate in this thread, I had to buy the OP's point that Bridgewater is overrated by this board. Some of us don't buy that, and think he deserves his rank. I can respect that, but I will wait for the combine before calling him a slam dunk. I honestly think his upside is Sam Bradford, who also seems to have been overrated, and I don't know if that's what I want for our team. I guess it would be better than what we have now, but maybe we can do better still.
The Geno Smith / Bridgewater crowd will be in awe come draft time when their boi Bridgewater falls outside the top5.
And to answer the thread title, it all makes sense now. All the gator homers are pumping up Bridgewater because he beat their over rated Gator team back in the bowl game. I can't believe it took me so long to figure that one out, but I did.
Quote:The Geno Smith / Bridgewater crowd will be in awe come draft time when their boi Bridgewater falls outside the top5.
And to answer the thread title, it all makes sense now. All the gator homers are pumping up Bridgewater because he beat their over rated Gator team back in the bowl game. I can't believe it took me so long to figure that one out, but I did.
Geno and Teddy have nothing in common other than being black. Why are black QB always compared to each other no matter what? UP HES BLACK HES VINCE YOUNG
Quote:The Geno Smith / Bridgewater crowd will be in awe come draft time when their boi Bridgewater falls outside the top5.
And to answer the thread title, it all makes sense now. All the gator homers are pumping up Bridgewater because he beat their over rated Gator team back in the bowl game. I can't believe it took me so long to figure that one out, but I did.
Your ignorant, and he's not getting passed 3. Id bet my life savings on that
Quote:And this is exactly my point.
The Gators had a good defense to be sure, but it wasn't exactly Alabama's, and neither was "NFL caliber". That Florida team had a few players that went to the NFL, but by-and-large, the team wasn't good enough to beat Louisville. And then Bridgewater had a great game.
So then Bridgewater came into the first few games of 2013, with, what at least one poster posited, an "Aikman, Manning, and Luck" grade. Before Louisville played a single ranked opponent, a good portion of us entertained the thought that Jax would be best served to lose every game just to assure we'd get him. I mean, where the hell did that come from if not his Sugar Bowl performance? Beating Florida International? The only quality win they had was against Central Florida.
Oh yeah, they lost that game. Whoops.
In order to even participate in this thread, I had to buy the OP's point that Bridgewater is overrated by this board. Some of us don't buy that, and think he deserves his rank. I can respect that, but I will wait for the combine before calling him a slam dunk. I honestly think his upside is Sam Bradford, who also seems to have been overrated, and I don't know if that's what I want for our team. I guess it would be better than what we have now, but maybe we can do better still.
You know, this would be true if Bridgewater was only being "overrated" by this message board (i.e. Gator fans as you call it) and this message board alone.
But that simply wasn't the case...
Quote:For the record, I liked Mallett as a prospect but my concerns for him were above the shoulders. I really, really wanted to smack that guy when he talked. I'd hope he's matured since College.
I'm glad someone else saw/said this as well. I saw him choke on more than one occasion.