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Quote:A moderator with an edge.....imagine that? I was told that TMD is up for moderator. (-:

 

haha, you think they would ever allow that???

 

I'd be the first mod ever that got suspended/ banned while on the job.  

Quote:I wanna be a mod!

Kodiak for Mod '14!!

I'll make signs and give them to the guy who twirls signs at the town center lol

#KodiakForMod14

Quote:haha, you think they would ever allow that???

 

I'd be the first mod ever that got suspended/ banned while on the job.

haha

Quote:#KodiakForMod14

Campaign on taxing the rich......you are sure to be elected. (-:

Quote:Campaign on taxing the rich......you are sure to be elected. (-:

 

Well..... at least you'll win the popular vote :whistling:

Quote:Wiseman, you haven't said a damn thing worth anything in this thread. All I've seen you do is basically insult everyone who you don't agree with by calling them idiots and morons. Im sure it makes you feel special and tingly inside when you insult others to make yourself seem ”wise” and dominant.


Why don't YOU tell us why you think TB is the second coming? Why is he comparable to Luck? If NFL scouts and execs are questioning him; if the Texans are willing to trade their pick (Colts didn't do this and were transparent that they were taking Luck); then what makes you soo positive that you're calling other posters who disagree with you morons and idiots?

 

Ditto Achilles.

 

I've had my say, I've elaborated on many occasions (including this thread), so it's beyond repetitive.  But those who disagree ignore everything that's said and claim the opposite.  That's what happens to some folks who insist their opinion is the only one, and everyone else must submit.  Ignore, ignore, bash, repeat.  This is exactly the same responses I got last year to dare disagree that Geno was worth the second overall.  But that's fine, I'm confident that, unlike those who jaw at my opinion, that mine is well founded.

 

That it gets under some folks skin when someone has a differing opinion and backs it up well, is simply childish and devoid of logic.

 

The fact that the Texans, with a new head coach (who's first move is typically acquiring "their QB" - especially on a team that most feel need a QB,) would like to trade away the pick says it all.  The reality is that his talent isn't supporting the unwarranted hype many would like to prop him with.  He's a talented QB for sure, but just not worth taking first overall.  If these artificial props were real and not fueled by such hype, there would be no question and the Texans would surely never be open to trading the pick.  They see, as many outside the amateur draftnicks and message board GMs do, that there isn' much (if anything at all) separating this crop of QBs.  They feel confident that they can avoid overdrafting a QB and still coming away with a franchise candidate later.

 

Some can choose to consider all those things, but others won't and never would.  Just like the ones who knew Geno was "the one" with our second pick last year and wouldn't accept the opinions of those who didn't see it that way.  So be it.

For the record, I liked Mallett as a prospect but my concerns for him were above the shoulders. I really, really wanted to smack that guy when he talked. I'd hope he's matured since College. Bridgewater is the top QB in my opinion, and he'll get drafted high, and I think he'll have a solid career but I have my doubts that he has enough upside to ever be among the top five quarterbacks in the league. That's why it's hard for me to be excited about him. 

Quote:* He's not the consensus # 1 player in the draft (see Andrew Luck)


* He's not the consensus # 1 QB in his own class (see Geno Smith)


* He has no elite skills or traits


* Below average size for the position


* The Texans seem willing to move down from the # 1 overall pick, with a dire need at QB



As you begin to evaluate him as a prospect you see a good QB with a high floor but a suspect ceiling. (Game manager) In the right system he could be decent but he's not a player who will elevate the rest of the team by himself like you would like to see from a franchise QB.


When you step back and look at everything with an unbiased eye there's no way you can make a case for Bridgewater as a QB who should go # 1 overall. He's not a Manning, Luck, RG3 level prospect. He's more in line with the Alex/Geno Smiths' of the NFL world.


He's good but not great.

I agree 100% about the hype. I think he will be good. I don't think he will ever be great.

Quote:Ditto Achilles.

 

I've had my say, I've elaborated on many occasions (including this thread), so it's beyond repetitive.  But those who disagree ignore everything that's said and claim the opposite.  That's what happens to some folks who insist their opinion is the only one, and everyone else must submit.  Ignore, ignore, bash, repeat.  This is exactly the same responses I got last year to dare disagree that Geno was worth the second overall.  But that's fine, I'm confident that, unlike those who jaw at my opinion, that mine is well founded.

 

That it gets under some folks skin when someone has a differing opinion and backs it up well, is simply childish and devoid of logic.

 

The fact that the Texans, with a new head coach (who's first move is typically acquiring "their QB" - especially on a team that most feel need a QB,) would like to trade away the pick says it all.  The reality is that his talent isn't supporting the unwarranted hype many would like to prop him with.  He's a talented QB for sure, but just not worth taking first overall.  If these artificial props were real and not fueled by such hype, there would be no question and the Texans would surely never be open to trading the pick.  They see, as many outside the amateur draftnicks and message board GMs do, that there isn' much (if anything at all) separating this crop of QBs.  They feel confident that they can avoid overdrafting a QB and still coming away with a franchise candidate later.

 

Some can choose to consider all those things, but others won't and never would.  Just like the ones who knew Geno was "the one" with our second pick last year and wouldn't accept the opinions of those who didn't see it that way.  So be it.

Again, I agree 100%

Quote:Ditto Achilles.

 

I've had my say, I've elaborated on many occasions (including this thread), so it's beyond repetitive.  But those who disagree ignore everything that's said and claim the opposite.  That's what happens to some folks who insist their opinion is the only one, and everyone else must submit.  Ignore, ignore, bash, repeat.  This is exactly the same responses I got last year to dare disagree that Geno was worth the second overall.  But that's fine, I'm confident that, unlike those who jaw at my opinion, that mine is well founded.

 

That it gets under some folks skin when someone has a differing opinion and backs it up well, is simply childish and devoid of logic.

 

The fact that the Texans, with a new head coach (who's first move is typically acquiring "their QB" - especially on a team that most feel need a QB,) would like to trade away the pick says it all.  The reality is that his talent isn't supporting the unwarranted hype many would like to prop him with.  He's a talented QB for sure, but just not worth taking first overall.  If these artificial props were real and not fueled by such hype, there would be no question and the Texans would surely never be open to trading the pick.  They see, as many outside the amateur draftnicks and message board GMs do, that there isn' much (if anything at all) separating this crop of QBs.  They feel confident that they can avoid overdrafting a QB and still coming away with a franchise candidate later.

 

Some can choose to consider all those things, but others won't and never would.  Just like the ones who knew Geno was "the one" with our second pick last year and wouldn't accept the opinions of those who didn't see it that way.  So be it.

Ok

 

Why don;t you think bridgewater warrants #1 overall hype?

Quote:I agree 100% about the hype. I think he will be good. I don't think he will ever be great.

Same thing was said about Peyton, look it up

Quote:Ok

 

Why don;t you think bridgewater warrants #1 overall hype?

 

Go back and read what I've posted, I've already said so.  The Texans seem to agree, and the fact he's not the consensus #1 pick (and that he may not even be the first QB taken in the draft) says enough.  He's not even close to Clowney as being the best player in the draft.  The only reason he'd ever made it into the conversation is because he plays the QB position.  It's the same reason you're hearing Manziel's name as well.  And just the same, neither is the caliber athlete/prospect Clowney is.

 

Want more and too lazy to leave the page to look for it?  Look at what knarnn wrote that Dakota quoted.  Someone that's claimed to be "the best" of the crop must have the awards and accolades etc. that prove it.  He doesn't have anything that proves he's any better than any of his peers.  Just empty rhetoric.

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The fact that the Texans, with a new head coach (who's first move is typically acquiring "their QB" - especially on a team that most feel need a QB,) would like to trade away the pick says it all.  The reality is that his talent isn't supporting the unwarranted hype many would like to prop him with.  He's a talented QB for sure, but just not worth taking first overall.  If these artificial props were real and not fueled by such hype, there would be no question and the Texans would surely never be open to trading the pick.  They see, as many outside the amateur draftnicks and message board GMs do, that there isn' much (if anything at all) separating this crop of QBs.  They feel confident that they can avoid overdrafting a QB and still coming away with a franchise candidate later.

 

By that logic, Clowney isn't far and away the best player in the draft.....because you know the Texans are willing to trade the #1 pick. They feel they can avoid overdrafting Clowney and still come away with a player with similar talent....

There's a very interesting article written by Mel Kiper Jr. of ESPN on Bridgewater and his value to QB needy teams. 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014...fl_xxx_xxx

I'm not saying that we should hold Kiper's words as scripture when it comes to NFL prospects, but for those who subscribed to ESPN Insider, would you care to share the article so that we can have a more interesting discussion?

Quote:By that logic, Clowney isn't far and away the best player in the draft.....because you know the Texans are willing to trade the #1 pick. They feel they can avoid overdrafting Clowney and still come away with a player with similar talent....

It's probably a no lose situation to be in. Trade down a little....get extra valuable picks (that's a win right there)......and still get one of your guys (if they are all close on your value board)......also a good possible win. If they don't trade down and pick a guy who becomes Gabbert then that's a huge loss. Nothing worse than missing on your first pick.......As our history can well attest

Quote:One season of Jameis and you're already creaming your pants. Too bad we wont sniff the guy even if he becomes the top QB prospect. We'll find a way to be just good enough to be out of the Winston sweepstakes, probably finishing 5-11.

LOL... and in one year he's already established himself as a better prospect than Geno or Teddy did in their college careers.

 

If he becomes the top QB prospect?  He already is the top prospect if he were draft eligible.

Quote:It's probably a no lose situation to be in. Trade down a little....get extra valuable picks (that's a win right there)......and still get one of your guys (if they are all close on your value board)......also a good possible win. If they don't trade down and pick a guy who becomes Gabbert then that's a huge loss. Nothing worse than missing on your first pick.......As our history can well attest

 

2003 #7 Leftwich MISS

2004 #9 Reggie Williams MISS

2005 #21 Matt Jones MISS

2006 #28 Marcedes Lewis Solid pick.

2007 #21 Reggie Nelson MISS

2008 #8 Derrick Harvey MISS

2009 #8 Eugene Monroe MISS

2010 #10 Tyson Alualu MISS

2011 #10 Blaine Gabbert MISS

2012 #5 Blackmon- to be seen

2013 #2 Joeckel- to be seen.

 

I count 8/9 first round misses, with 6 top ten picks wasted in a nine year stretch, Blackmon may make it 7/10. While I do think Blackmon and Joeckel are building blocks going forward, it's very easy to see why the team is in the state that it is. We can't afford to miss again, especially in the #3 slot.

Quote:It's probably a no lose situation to be in. Trade down a little....get extra valuable picks (that's a win right there)......and still get one of your guys (if they are all close on your value board)......also a good possible win. If they don't trade down and pick a guy who becomes Gabbert then that's a huge loss. Nothing worse than missing on your first pick.......As our history can well attest

 

More picks are better than fewer picks.  Like you said, if they want a QB - at least they'll be getting MUCH better value picking one where one isn't being overdrafted (which would likely be the case with the first overall.)  They also need to prepare for life after Andre Johnson.

Quote:LOL... and in one year he's already established himself as a better prospect than Geno or Teddy did in their college careers.

 

If he becomes the top QB prospect?  He already is the top prospect if he were draft eligible.

 

Almost everyone on that offense will be an NFL draft pick. Next year. he will be the one under the microscope, unfairly criticized the same way Bridgewater was this season. Face it, Teddy has been the #1 overall QB since that Sugar Bowl. Jameis will be in the same situation entering next year, he is far from a guaranteed #1.