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Quote:No one else worth the #2 = best available player.

You are ignoring the most important words in the senence. No other player at a needed position was worth picking at #2. Why did we need Luke Joeckel? Because David Caldwell wanted to shop Gene Smith's first pick, obviously.

Quote:You are ignoring the most important words in the senence. No other player at a needed position was worth picking at #2. Why did we need Luke Joeckel? Because David Caldwell wanted to shop Gene Smith's first pick, obviously.

youre ignoring the fact that joeckel was the best player in the draft. by joeckel being available made monroe expendable, yielded more value overall by potentially improving the LT position while netting picks and saving cap space. or at least thats how i see it.

One of the best players in the draft. The Chiefs obviously did not think he is better than Fisher.

 

Before the draft, Caldwell said he is "a needs-based drafter."

I thought that one of the main goals this year is to evaluate Gabbert, how does this help with that goal?

Quote:I thought that one of the main goals this year is to evaluate Gabbert, how does this help with that goal?

It doesn't. Caldwell mailed this season in the minute he walked in the door. Gabbert will be riding pine come bye week anyways.

Quote:I thought that one of the main goals this year is to evaluate Gabbert, how does this help with that goal?

i think he has seen all of gabbert he has needed to see

Quote:i think he has seen all of gabbert he has needed to see

haven't we all.....

Quote:I thought that one of the main goals this year is to evaluate Gabbert, how does this help with that goal?

lol last week may have been the final straw for Gabbert. Clean pocket that he runs out of to get sacked multiple times

I understand this trade but I am still dissapointed as I sort of see it as one more positon to sort now. If we had been further ahead I don't think  Monroe would have left but considering we are absolute rubbish at the mo I think Monroe would have left in FA so i reckon this is a good trade, simply as it gets us something for next to nothing.

 

Nonetheless the rg suddenly becomes a primary positon of need again which I hoped was finally fixed long term.

 

It also suggests to me that caldwell has completely abandoned this season (fair enough) and is now moving on completely. The good news is I reckon he now has a more definitive timeframe for the rebuild in mind and so does not see these older players as part of his long term vision. I think we could now see a firesale with alualu, lewis, poz and mjd all hitting the trade block and leaving for low round picks with poz perhaps hitting a 2nd.

 

Fair enough but it means even assuming bridgewater is the best talent since luck we are in danger of ruining another pick with a young and talent depleted roster especially at the line, where we will probably have 3 rookie/ udfa guards, a 2nd year lt and a rookie/fa right guard.  I reckon he like gabbert will spend most of his first year on his [BLEEP], which is all well and good and I hope he is mentally stronger than gabbert and can handle it but do you want to take that risk... we cannot afford to bust another first round qb pick

 

However we now, to my mind need (assuming there is no firesale), qb (not ditching on gabbert but realistically with these performances and us having top 3 pick you cannot ignore teddy or the plethora of qb talent in this draft) rb rg, g,g, c, wr3/4 all need upgrading on offense whilst, dt, de1, olb, olb, cb fs and you could even argue could all do with an upgrade leaving us with 12 postions to sort with 10 picks.

 

Though it's feasibly possible using low priced fa's and rookies, creating a young roster means mistakes and a long turn around time til we hit 8 and 8 let alone the playoffs

Quote:youre ignoring the fact that joeckel was the best player in the draft. by joeckel being available made monroe expendable, yielded more value overall by potentially improving the LT position while netting picks and saving cap space. or at least thats how i see it.

You're missing the point.


Caldwell is not a BAP drafter.

so do we have 12 picks in this draft so far??? ( 7 original picks, 5th rounder for mike thomas, conditional pick for D'anthony smith, & 3 picks from monroe)

 

If so, NICE! Who says Monroe would have resigned with us anyway??? He would have left us and we would have had nothing

Quote:so do we have 11 picks in this draft so far??? ( 7 original picks, 5th rounder for mike thomas, conditional pick for D'anthony smith, & 3 picks from monroe)

 

If so, NICE! Who says Monroe would have resigned with us anyway??? He would have left us and we would have had nothing

 

We get nothing for D'anthony Smith, he was released so we get nothing.

Quote:so do we have 12 picks in this draft so far??? ( 7 original picks, 5th rounder for mike thomas, conditional pick for D'anthony smith, & 3 picks from monroe)

 

If so, NICE! Who says Monroe would have resigned with us anyway??? He would have left us and we would have had nothing

 

BINGO!  Someone gets it!  We traded away 12 games that we weren't going to win anyway!   That's the extent of the contract remaining for Eugene Monroe.  

Quote:BINGO!  Someone gets it!  We traded away 12 games that we weren't going to win anyway!   That's the extent of the contract remaining for Eugene Monroe.  

So you don't even negotiate to keep your best young talent you just develop them and then trade them for peanuts during their contract year.

 

Brilliant! Just call us the NFL's farm league.

Next up Lewis and MJD. I don't know it there is any value for either player but I just don't see them here next year. I think playing Gabbert was and is to see if they could get some value out of him in possible trade, Not happening. it is quite clear that Caldwell is not interested in this season which we all know is lost and is continuing his plan for rebuilding the team. This is far better then trying to pick up a few players to win two or three games.  I feel much better today about the team then I did yesterday! No sense chasing your tail, there very few if any wins coming this season. Now Jag fans can accept this year for what it is and look forward to next years draft! Go to the games and watch the young players get experience that is what this year is all about.

Quote:Next up Lewis and MJD. I don't know it there is any value for either player but I just don't see them here next year. I think playing Gabbert was and is to see if they could get some value out of him in possible trade, Not happening. it is quite clear that Caldwell is not interested in this season which we all know is lost and is continuing his plan for rebuilding the team. This is far better then trying to pick up a few players to win two or three games. I feel much better today about the team then I did yesterday! No sense chasing your tail, there very few if any wins coming this season. Now Jag fans can accept this year for what it is and look forward to next years draft! Go to the games and watch the young players get experience that is what this year is all about.

Bingo, I would add Poz and Jason Babin to that list as well.

Quote:Bingo, I would add Poz and Jason Babin to that list as well.

 

I would not.  If our defense were paired with a good offense (or at least and offense with an NFL caliber QB) then we would be a far, far better team.  Neither Lewis or MJD have shown that they are a major improvement over their backups this year.  That can not be said about Poz for sure.  Babin is a nasty guy who brings the right attitude to the d-line.  There has to be some experience out there.

So the Jags are struggling The solution clearly is to trade arguably their best young player, who plays a premium position, for a few mid-late draft picks? 

 

I get the need for picks, but if you are really breaking down the trade, the Jaguars could not have handled trading Monroe in a way to produce less in return. The Cards are shopping Levi Brown now, it will be interesting to see what they get in return. 

Quote:I would not.  If our defense were paired with a good offense (or at least and offense with an NFL caliber QB) then we would be a far, far better team.  Neither Lewis or MJD have shown that they are a major improvement over their backups this year.  That can not be said about Poz for sure.  Babin is a nasty guy who brings the right attitude to the d-line.  There has to be some experience out there.

 

I agree, if our Offense could generate a TOP equal to our opponents TOP our D would be able to handle itself. Being out there that long and coming in after turnovers always lead to points for the other team. Don't get me wrong our D still needs to improve but I don't feel like we have any better options.

Quote:it seems caldwells approach is BAP so it could go either way, right now i wouldnt be surprised if we trade out of the first pick

 

Ace Sanders was selected because we can't count on Blackmon.  Caldwell was aware of his 2nd positive drug test.  Ace was not the BAP