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then you trade him at draft time... before his value plummetted both from this team being a joke and changing blocking schemes...
but instead we do it now, and get pennies on the dollar
Quote:I hope all Jag fans now realize that this seasons is not about winning it's all about cleaning house for next years draft.
If so, then do it. -- This better not be the "only" move then.
Quote:then you trade him at draft time... before his value plummetted both from this team being a joke and changing blocking schemes...
but instead we do it now, and get pennies on the dollar
What Monroe was traded for was close to what the Chiefs were reportedly offered for Albert.
Quote:then you trade him at draft time... before his value plummetted both from this team being a joke and changing blocking schemes...
Agreed with above. That was the time to do it.
Quote:then you trade him at draft time... before his value plummetted both from this team being a joke and changing blocking schemes...
but instead we do it now, and get pennies on the dollar
Couldn't have said it better so I'm quoting you here. This trade was garbage in terms of recouping value. Monroe could be the most undervalued offensive lineman in the whole NFL. He was a rare bright spot in our lineup. With all our cap room, I don't see the issue in giving him the franchise tag next year and then seeing how the rest of the season progresses before assessing if he should be dealt. He is only 26. He is entering his prime and will likely be an even better player next year.
Quote:What Monroe was traded for was close to what the Chiefs were reportedly offered for Albert.
the chiefs wanted a first for albert, and got offered a 2nd.... FAR from what we got for monroe, and even if it was the same thing offered, the chiefs smartly declined
Trade him at draft time instead of now?
What is the difference?
You'd get the same deal.
Quote:Agreed with above. That was the time to do it.
Even better it would have made more sense to swap picks with the Eagles, who were reported in love with Joeckel, take Lane Johnson, then flip Monroe to the highest bidder.
That is how you get your tackle of the future and high end picks not just a 4th and a 5th.
Quote:then you trade him at draft time... before his value plummetted both from this team being a joke and changing blocking schemes...
How do you know they didn't try and had no takers? That's the likely reality, since they probably decided they were going to select Fisher/Joekel (whoever was left) well before the draft.
That further illustrates how much you're overvaluing what you thought you had.
Quote:the chiefs wanted a first for albert, and got offered a 2nd.... FAR from what we got for monroe, and even if it was the same thing offered, the chiefs smartly declined
The Chiefs wanted a second (which nobody offered) and were offered a third. The Dolphins traded that third they offered for Albert for two fourth round picks. We got a fourth and a fifth.
So the market value for Albert was essentially two fourths. We got a fourth and a fifth for Monroe.
Quote:there is a thing called franchise tag... heard of it?
Yeah, and Caldwell obviously didn't think Monroe was worth what he'd have to pay.
Quote:it seems caldwells approach is BAP so it could go either way, right now i wouldnt be surprised if we trade out of the first pick
Oh please... not this "BAP" garbage again. Has this fanbase learned anything from Gene Smith's tenure?
What this team needs more than anything else is a QB.
Quote:then you trade him at draft time... before his value plummetted both from this team being a joke and changing blocking schemes...
but instead we do it now, and get pennies on the dollar
Assumptions are fun.
I believe they kept Monroe because he A. gave them flexibility and B. May have kept him had he played better. I believe his performance along with Luke's struggles at his position factored in.
Listen, I think Caldwell deserves some criticism. I don't agree with everything he has done. But damn, some people here criticize everything he has done up to this point. When posts are "This team is a joke, they are going to move in two years, I laugh at this team all the time" then you have already made your mind up. Anything he does will be criticized by these types of posters. You can't have an intelligent conversation with a person like that. Because that persons mind is already made up. Step back, take a breath and first try to understand why a GM would make such a move. It is okay to disagree, but posting complete mindless garbage brings this board down.
Quote:If so, then do it. -- This better not be the "only" move then.
There has to be someone willing to trade for Lewis or MJD so making moves are not under Caldwells control. Looking to trade Shorts is crazy, he is the start of the rebuild along with Blackmon, Joeckel, Cyprien,and Gratz. Posluszny I would hold on to because of his play and you need his experience on the young defense. Maybe we can get something of Jason Babin if he plays well but I doubt it. Lowery might be an option we will see.
Well, we had two tackles going forward so the needs then became OG, C, OG and QB for the offense. Now we need another Tackle in the offseason.
If Caldwell thought Joeckel was not going to be effective on the right side and needed to be on the left to be the stud he thought he was then ok.
I guess the market value is what it is, I thought a premier LT was worth more than a 4 and 5.
Looking at it from Baltimore's standpoint they are coming off a Super Bowl Championship and get a top tier LT for a 4th and 5th. A 4th and 5th is not likely to make a Super Bowl roster any how, so it was a bargain for them.
Regards......................the Chiefjag
Quote:Oh please... not this "BAP" garbage again. Has this fanbase learned anything from Gene Smith's tenure?
What this team needs more than anything else is a QB.
The problem wasn't with BAP.
The problem was the methodology he used to determine BAP.
Quote:Well, we had two tackles going forward so the needs then became OG, C, OG and QB for the offense. Now we need another Tackle in the offseason.
If Caldwell thought Joeckel was not going to be effective on the right side and needed to be on the left to be the stud he thought he was then ok.
I guess the market value is what it is, I thought a premier LT was worth more than a 4 and 5.
Looking at it from Baltimore's standpoint they are coming off a Super Bowl Championship and get a top tier LT for a 4th and 5th. A 4th and 5th is not likely to make a Super Bowl roster any how, so it was a bargain for them.
Regards......................the Chiefjag
A bargain until they have to make the decision to re-sign him.
Branden Albert's franchise tag season costs about $10M.
That's similar to Ryan Clady's successful negotiation for $52.5M over 5 yrs.
If they aren't impressed enough to sign him, they've gained nothing. So, I have a tough time seeing a bargain. What was good for them was the timing. They add a player at a position that they were worse off than expected, trying to salvage a run at the playoffs.
Quote:A bargain until they have to make the decision to re-sign him.
Branden Albert's franchise tag season costs about $10M.
That's similar to Ryan Clady's successful negotiation for $52.5M over 5 yrs.
If they aren't impressed enough to sign him, they've gained nothing. So, I have a tough time seeing a bargain. What was good for them was the timing. They add a player at a position that they were worse off than expected, trying to salvage a run at the playoffs.
The value is relative. He may not have been worth $10 million for us, but to them he might be and you can be assured they've taken it into consideration before the trade.
It's like a man who just ate a steak dinner being offered a hot dog by a street vendor. The hot dog might not be worth 50 cents to the man but the same hot dog might be worth $10 to a starving man. It's relative.
Regards......................the Chiefjag
Multiple third-day picks are worth way more than Monroe?
LOL
Are you high? Regardless of how "deep" a draft is, it's tough to get meaningful NFL contributors that late in the draft. Sure, sometimes you get a steal, but more often than not, latter round picks amount to nothing.
Monroe is one of the better tackles in the league. He's not great, but he's lived up to his billing as a Top 10 pick.
I have no problem with trading him, especially if he wasn't planning on staying anyways. But third-day picks for a very good LT? We got raped.
Do the Ravens still have Oher?
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