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(03-13-2018, 11:25 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone here really think Moncrief + Lee > Arob? For a few more million even...
Considering Lee and Moncrief won't be struggling through the typical down year following an ACL, absolutely.
We are really paying 7 million (upto 9) for a guy that had 300 yards last year? And some of you guys are complaining about Hurns deal!
(03-14-2018, 12:11 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2018, 12:07 AM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]+ Norwell, yes
Well, if we could afford Norwell + ~16.5 mil w/ those WRs we could have still afforded Norwell + ~14 mil for Arob (or 16 mil franchise).
Arob didn't want to be here and was coming off an ACL off a down year. Don't know why there are so many tears over this. The guy was trashing our fan base 2 years ago, you couldn't possibly think he wanted to stay here after they upped Bortles.
(03-13-2018, 11:33 PM)haveaseat Wrote: [ -> ]ARob didn’t want to be here folks. He’s a "me" not a team guy. Would have likely ditched the Jags for the same offer plus an Arby’s coupon. I’d rather pay Norwell who chose us over the Giants despite it being ~New York~. TC has made it clear. Don’t wanna be here? Bye. The culture has changed. Be apart of it or walk.
It takes two to tango.
-TC
I'm excited about McCardell working with Moncreif this offseason. I liked him as a draft prospect and I think his upside is still untapped.
The one year/prove-it deal is a little steep, but I like the size and skill-set he brings to a receiver corps that was lacking those particular qualities. Here's hoping he realizes much of that untapped potential in Duval County.
For the price of Allen Robinson's 2018 salary the Jags will have Moncreif and Lee. I would have liked for both contracts to be a bit less, but such is the harsh reality of free agency. You overpay 99% of the time.
(03-13-2018, 11:36 PM)Achilles Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2018, 11:25 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone here really think Moncrief + Lee > Arob? For a few more million even...
Yes
How do you figure?
I have second thoughts on this Moncrief deal.
St. John's Infirmary?
From ESPN:
Moncrief's career with the Colts took a turn for the worse during the 2016 season largely due to injuries. He missed 11 games over the past two seasons because of shoulder and ankle injuries after not missing any games during his first two seasons.
Moncrief, 24, had all the tools to be Indianapolis' best all-around receiver the past two seasons -- size, speed and strength -- but he continually failed to take advantage of the opportunities in front of him. He lost his starting job as the No. 2 receiver to Kamar Aiken at one point, and he finished with only 26 receptions for 391 yards and 2 touchdowns last season.
(03-14-2018, 06:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm excited about McCardell working with Moncreif this offseason. I liked him as a draft prospect and I think his upside is still untapped.
The one year/prove-it deal is a little steep, but I like the size and skill-set he brings to a receiver corps that was lacking those particular qualities. Here's hoping he realizes much of that untapped potential in Duval County.
For the price of Allen Robinson's 2018 salary the Jags will have Moncreif and Lee. I would have liked for both contracts to be a bit less, but such is the harsh reality of free agency. You overpay 99% of the time.
Allen Robinson signed for $14 mil per.
Compare that to $9.5 mil per for Lee plus $7 mil per for Moncrief.
If they wanted to spend $16.5 mil on WRs, they could have simpliy tagged ARob.
Then again, that's just the surface numbers as Lee's first-year cap hit might be less.
(03-14-2018, 06:43 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]I have second thoughts on this Moncrief deal.
St. John's Infirmary?
From ESPN:
Moncrief's career with the Colts took a turn for the worse during the 2016 season largely due to injuries. He missed 11 games over the past two seasons because of shoulder and ankle injuries after not missing any games during his first two seasons.
Moncrief, 24, had all the tools to be Indianapolis' best all-around receiver the past two seasons -- size, speed and strength -- but he continually failed to take advantage of the opportunities in front of him. He lost his starting job as the No. 2 receiver to Kamar Aiken at one point, and he finished with only 26 receptions for 391 yards and 2 touchdowns last season.
If I hadn't read the opening that you're talking about Moncrief, I would have thought you're talking about Hurns.
Again, if Moncrief is getting $7 mil this year, why shouldn't Hurns make every penny of his $7 mil base salary?
(03-14-2018, 06:49 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2018, 06:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm excited about McCardell working with Moncreif this offseason. I liked him as a draft prospect and I think his upside is still untapped.
The one year/prove-it deal is a little steep, but I like the size and skill-set he brings to a receiver corps that was lacking those particular qualities. Here's hoping he realizes much of that untapped potential in Duval County.
For the price of Allen Robinson's 2018 salary the Jags will have Moncreif and Lee. I would have liked for both contracts to be a bit less, but such is the harsh reality of free agency. You overpay 99% of the time.
Allen Robinson signed for $14 mil per.
Compare that to $9.5 mil per for Lee plus $7 mil per for Moncrief.
If they wanted to spend $16.5 mil on WRs, they could have simpliy tagged ARob.
Then again, that's just the surface numbers as Lee's first-year cap hit might be less.
Lee's first year cap hit may well be less, but the thing you are somehow ignoring here is that they signed TWO receivers for the cost of one Allen Robinson.
Consider the term "value."
Defenses will struggle to cover everybody when you trot out Moncreif, Lee, Cole and Westbrook. That's a lot of speed at WR and there will be some serious mismatches at times. At the very least - it helps you back up the LBs and secondary some to run the ball easier.
If Blake takes another step forward in development - this WR group is plenty dangerous.
(03-14-2018, 06:49 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]
Again, if Moncrief is getting $7 mil this year, why shouldn't Hurns make every penny of his $7 mil base salary?
Because Hurns doesn't have 4.3 speed and a forty inch vertical jump, but he does have multiple concussions and 16 million dollars in the bank from a new contract that he's underperformed on.
(03-14-2018, 12:46 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]We are really paying 7 million (upto 9) for a guy that had 300 yards last year? And some of you guys are complaining about Hurns deal!
(03-14-2018, 12:11 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Well, if we could afford Norwell + ~16.5 mil w/ those WRs we could have still afforded Norwell + ~14 mil for Arob (or 16 mil franchise).
Arob didn't want to be here and was coming off an ACL off a down year. Don't know why there are so many tears over this. The guy was trashing our fan base 2 years ago, you couldn't possibly think he wanted to stay here after they upped Bortles.
Exactly, but the 'experts' still need to complain.
He. Didn't. Want. To. Be. Here.
Don't forget that nobody here is privy to the medical side of these equations. IMO, Robinson's knee = Hurn's head in the sense that the Jaguars, a billion dollar corporation with top medical people, have watched every step of both players rehabilitation and maybe...they don't like what they see.
Maybe AR15 isn't AR15 anymore. Maybe Hurns is still seeing stars or the team has been advised that he has hit Wes Welker territory, ie one more good hit could put him into La-La land.
Who's got the inside skinny on the medical here? Who KNOWS what is happening with those guys? Probably only the Jaguars.
(03-14-2018, 07:57 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]Don't forget that nobody here is privy to the medical side of these equations. IMO, Robinson's knee = Hurn's head in the sense that the Jaguars, a billion dollar corporation with top medical people, have watched every step of both players rehabilitation and maybe...they don't like what they see.
Maybe AR15 isn't AR15 anymore. Maybe Hurns is still seeing stars or the team has been advised that he has hit Wes Welker territory, ie one more good hit could put him into La-La land.
Who's got the inside skinny on the medical here? Who KNOWS what is happening with those guys? Probably only the Jaguars.
Good point.
It reminds me of how upset people were when Boselli went to the Texans, but then how relieved we were to learn that his shoulders were shot and the Jags knew it all along.
(03-14-2018, 07:30 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2018, 12:46 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]We are really paying 7 million (upto 9) for a guy that had 300 yards last year? And some of you guys are complaining about Hurns deal!
Arob didn't want to be here and was coming off an ACL off a down year. Don't know why there are so many tears over this. The guy was trashing our fan base 2 years ago, you couldn't possibly think he wanted to stay here after they upped Bortles.
Exactly, but the 'experts' still need to complain.
He. Didn't. Want. To. Be. Here.
I really believe that was the key reason why they didn't sign him. I never got the impression he was glad to be here with Blake as his q.b. He did have one great season, but was just mediocre 2 years ago. Combine these 2 things with his coming off the ACL and it makes sense that the Jags went with LEE and Moncrief instead. The way I look at it, even if one of these 2 guys stay healthy and are reliable targets for Blake, the receiving group should be just fine. The odds are that at least one of last year's rookies take the next step this season (I like both Westbrook and Cole) so the team should have at least 2 solid wide-receivers plus a better tight end to start the season.
This one and Norwell's are good moves, all the other ones are terrible.
(03-13-2018, 05:02 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2018, 04:59 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting. No WR in the draft then
No. It just means you can truly pick BAP now.
I'm now expecting to hear Hurns has gotten cut or traded in the next few hours.
Lee
Moncrief
Hurns?
Westbrook
Cole
Mickens
Rookie
(03-14-2018, 12:38 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2018, 11:25 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone here really think Moncrief + Lee > Arob? For a few more million even...
Considering Lee and Moncrief won't be struggling through the typical down year following an ACL, absolutely.
This, and the club wasn't hurt a bit by losing ARob. We've added Moncrief to what was already there and have the draft to go, too. Last draft we found Westbrook in the 4th.
I've got zero concern at WR, and complete confidence in Caldwell's eye for WR talent. I can't say that about every position, but to me he's arguably better at WR than any other.
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If I hadn't read the opening that you're talking about Moncrief, I would have thought you're talking about Hurns.
Again, if Moncrief is getting $7 mil this year, why shouldn't Hurns make every penny of his $7 mil base salary?
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Maybe because Hurns is a concussion or two away from being retired?
1 year deal, he'll be one of those players you forget is on the roster as the season progresses, like a Jalen Strong. Just another guy way back in the depth chart.
(03-14-2018, 11:35 AM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]1 year deal, he'll be one of those players you forget is on the roster as the season progresses, like a Jalen Strong. Just another guy way back in the depth chart.
Jaelen Strong wasn't getting paid $7+ million. Moncrief will get a fair share of PT, you can bank on that
(03-14-2018, 11:37 AM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2018, 11:35 AM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]1 year deal, he'll be one of those players you forget is on the roster as the season progresses, like a Jalen Strong. Just another guy way back in the depth chart.
Jaelen Strong wasn't getting paid $7+ million. Moncrief will get a fair share of PT, you can bank on that
Right now it looks like Lee and Moncrief the outside starters, with Cole and Westbrook in the mix as well. Any three of these when a slot comes on.
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