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So the two worst deals of FA in the NFL happen to the Jags at the two positions that coincidentally were the two that the Jags lost in FA in AROB and Colvin and people want to say they didn't scramble after losing them? Hope it works out. All in for 2018.

(03-19-2018, 12:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 12:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]We managed to pay Norwell/ASJ and still find a way to give Moncrief and Marqise ~3 mil more than the franchise tag, so that logic doesn't work. We could have easily had Norwell, ASJ, AND Arob.

And who cares about if Arob wanted to be here or not. He would have been forced to try his hardest so he could have cashed in next year. I think the evidence is pointing toward the FO not wanting Arob to be here more than Arob not wanting to be here.

I think the evidence is pointing toward the F.O. not liking what the doctors were telling them about A-Rob's knee rehab.

Do we actually have any evidence of that though?

I think that's a big leap.

(03-19-2018, 01:04 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Do we actually have any evidence of that though?

I think that's a big leap.

Anything that keeps ya from having to admit that they simply goofed.

(03-19-2018, 01:02 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]So the two worst deals of FA in the NFL happen to the Jags at the two positions that coincidentally were the two that the Jags lost in FA in AROB and Colvin and people want to say they didn't scramble after losing them? Hope it works out. All in for 2018.

Absolutely they didn't scramble. 

They may have chosen players of dubious skill level or injury history. They definitely over-paid. 
But scramble?  

Nah. If you think this front office didn't spend weeks drawing up contingency plans for those spots prior to the tampering period, you are kidding yourself. There are several people under the employ of the team whose jobs are to do exactly that.  
No one scrambled. The F.O. just clearly has more confidence in these two free agents than many of the team's fans have in them.

(03-19-2018, 12:43 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's becoming more clear that our FO are the ones that simply didn't want Arob to be here, not vice versa.

It was probably a combination of both. It's tough to criticize an organization that last year may have signed one of the top 3 free agent groups of all time. Did anybody really care if they overpaid Campbell after he recorded a historic number of sacks for the Jaguars or Bouye after the excellent season he had? Just curious, what did you say after those signings last year?

As far as Robinson is concerned, I'm surprised more people haven't referenced his 3rd season production (or lack of). His touchdowns and yards were basically half of what he achieved during his pro bowl season the year before. I also remember criticisms that he wasn't getting off the line of scrimmage and his overall effort wasn't great. Before you blame Blake for all of that, Blake was also his q.b. the previous year. Can't have it both ways. If they franchised him, they'd have been in the same boat after the season and I really wonder what his attitude and production would have been in that scenerio. Moncrief is just as physically talented as Robinson and a change of scenery and being healthy may unleash his high potential.

(03-19-2018, 01:02 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]So the two worst deals of FA in the NFL happen to the Jags at the two positions that coincidentally were the two that the Jags lost in FA in AROB and Colvin and people want to say they didn't scramble after losing them? Hope it works out. All in for 2018.

The Jaguars never lost faith in Colvin, and I believe they offered him just as much. Colvin left because he wanted a chance to start.

(03-19-2018, 01:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 01:02 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]So the two worst deals of FA in the NFL happen to the Jags at the two positions that coincidentally were the two that the Jags lost in FA in AROB and Colvin and people want to say they didn't scramble after losing them? Hope it works out. All in for 2018.

Absolutely they didn't scramble. 

They may have chosen players of dubious skill level or injury history. They definitely over-paid. 
But scramble?  

Nah. If you think this front office didn't spend weeks drawing up contingency plans for those spots prior to the tampering period, you are kidding yourself. There are several people under the employ of the team whose jobs are to do exactly that.  
No one scrambled. The F.O. just clearly has more confidence in these two free agents than many of the team's fans have in them.

They did. The contingency plan isn't lets just go ahead and hand out the two worst deals of the FA period to two unproven players that have no competition for their services. Even if the FO believes they can be pro bowl players, you don't have to pay them as such when their body of work suggests they should be on minimum deals. They saw plan B and C probably get signed by another team and needed to make a move. I love how Caldwell works believe me, but these deals don't seem very Caldwell like. Not at all. It further makes me believe they went ahead and just made these deals to fill the holes because they have a very specific plan in the draft. One that they don't want to include CB and WR.

(03-19-2018, 01:40 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 01:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely they didn't scramble. 

They may have chosen players of dubious skill level or injury history. They definitely over-paid. 
But scramble?  

Nah. If you think this front office didn't spend weeks drawing up contingency plans for those spots prior to the tampering period, you are kidding yourself. There are several people under the employ of the team whose jobs are to do exactly that.  
No one scrambled. The F.O. just clearly has more confidence in these two free agents than many of the team's fans have in them.

They did. The contingency plan isn't lets just go ahead and hand out the two worst deals of the FA period to two unproven players that have no competition for their services. Even if the FO believes they can be pro bowl players, you don't have to pay them as such when their body of work suggests they should be on minimum deals. They saw plan B and C probably get signed by another team and needed to make a move. I love how Caldwell works believe me, but these deals don't seem very Caldwell like. Not at all. It further makes me believe they went ahead and just made these deals to fill the holes because they have a very specific plan in the draft. One that they don't want to include CB and WR.

That still doesn't sound like scrambling to me. It sounds like following your plan to the best contingency available. 

Ideal?  No it's not.  
Scrambling?  That term is a misnomer in this instance.

(03-19-2018, 01:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]That still doesn't sound like scrambling to me. It sounds like following your plan to the best contingency available. 

Ideal?  No it's not.  
Scrambling?  That term is a misnomer in this instance.

They still somehow decided that it was more wise to give Hayden more money than Robey-Coleman or Patrick Robinson so I wouldn't use the word best contingency.

I would rather draft Ridley at the end of round 1 than sign Moncrief and Lee.

I see nothing in any of these signings that prevent us taking a WR in any round of the draft.

(03-19-2018, 02:40 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 01:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]That still doesn't sound like scrambling to me. It sounds like following your plan to the best contingency available. 

Ideal?  No it's not.  
Scrambling?  That term is a misnomer in this instance.

They still somehow decided that it was more wise to give Hayden more money than Robey-Coleman or Patrick Robinson so I wouldn't use the word best contingency.

I wouldn't necessarily see overpaying Hayden as the best contingency at nickel either, but the Jags clearly did. 

I realize that front offices make mistakes, but to just assume this team scrambled to sign Hayden without considering other possibilities seems incredibly naive to me. I really think that did not happen. 

Paying him too much money is wide open for criticism clearly, but they obviously have a different evaluation on the guy than most fans re: his ability to play the nickel spot effectively.

(03-19-2018, 11:50 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I guess people owe JLC apologies this time around he was pretty darn accurate.

I'll never apologize to that pompous tool

Why does anybody care how much money we gave him? He's fit in under the cap and it was a one year deal. It honestly doesn't effect anything.

(03-19-2018, 03:15 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]I see nothing in any of these signings that prevent us taking a WR in any round of the draft.

Me either.  But I need to do more research on the guys likely to be there at 29.

I didn't envision WR being a need at all until just before Robinson left.  Accordingly, I didn't pay too much attention to the position.  I now feel like I am in catch up mode.

As it see it, Caldwell is merely covering all the bases in free agency but isn't necessarily ruling out potential draft picks with these signings.

A good example of how he might use the draft is with Mike Williams, a prototypical FB in terms of size who looks to be a good one. But he also signed Tommy Bohannon first. Initially it was thought that Williams would beat out Bohannon, but that was not to be. They competed in camp. Tommy won the spot.

Now at another spot that draft pick merely becomes depth, but you don't keep a backup FB.

(03-19-2018, 05:24 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]Why does anybody care how much money we gave him? He's fit in under the cap and it was a one year deal. It honestly doesn't effect anything.

Agreed, I’m not sure what all this hand wringing is over either.

(03-19-2018, 05:24 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]Why does anybody care how much money we gave him? He's fit in under the cap and it was a one year deal. It honestly doesn't effect anything.

Because it is their money, obviously.

Well now that Hurns is gone. A WR in the draft is a high possibility.

(03-20-2018, 01:39 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Well now that Hurns is gone. A WR in the draft is a high possibility.

It was a high probability before Hurns was (officially) gone.