(03-20-2018, 02:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 01:39 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Well now that Hurns is gone. A WR in the draft is a high possibility.
It was a high probability before Hurns was (officially) gone.
Certainly not a high draft pick. Where are they going to play? The top 4 is pretty set with Moncrief, Lee, Cole, and Dede. I'd be pretty upset if we drafted a guy high to be WR5 on our team
(03-20-2018, 02:20 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 02:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It was a high probability before Hurns was (officially) gone.
Certainly not a high draft pick. Where are they going to play? The top 4 is pretty set with Moncrief, Lee, Cole, and Dede. I'd be pretty upset if we drafted a guy high to be WR5 on our team
Westbrook and Cole are on cheap rookie deals. Moncreif is an investment in great potential which may or may not come to full fruition.
If Westbrook and/or Cole are rotational in their snap counts, it's not a big deal. If the Moncreif gamble doesn't pay out, they need a bigger guy to play the X spot.
If they see a guy in the second or third round that they believe could earn playing time in his rookie season, they could go there without worrying about where he fits on the depth chart.
(03-20-2018, 02:40 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 02:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Westbrook and Cole are on cheap rookie deals. Moncreif is an investment in great potential which may or may not come to full fruition.
If Westbrook and/or Cole are rotational in their snap counts, it's not a big deal. If the Moncreif gamble doesn't pay out, they need a bigger guy to play the X spot.
If they see a guy in the second or third round that they believe could earn playing time in his rookie season, they could go there without worrying about where he fits on the depth chart.
1. Rudolph
2. Hurst
3. Ateman
Let's do this.
That's like my nightmare draft.
(03-20-2018, 02:20 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 02:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It was a high probability before Hurns was (officially) gone.
Certainly not a high draft pick. Where are they going to play? The top 4 is pretty set with Moncrief, Lee, Cole, and Dede. I'd be pretty upset if we drafted a guy high to be WR5 on our team
I can see round 3 or 4 at the earliest.
If they see one, they should take one. They didn't expect to have Westbrook available in the 4th and couldn't pass him up.
If there's value in picking a WR after the second round, I don't see why they shouldn't.
(03-22-2018, 11:09 AM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]On a side note, how well do you think the Moncrief Jersey is going to sell? Personally I might buy one just for the novelty.
For those who are not local: https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local...t/29748334
Not really, we overpaid for the guy and he hasn't really done anything in the past 4 years. He just plays a role we didn't have a sure starter at. He is actually the signing I am the least excited about. If he couldn't hit 700 yards with Luck, I am not sure how he would do better with Bortles.
Maybe this Moncreif signing is a smoke screen for when we make a blockbuster trade for Odell.
haha on a real note, I really don't understand paying this guy 10m who hasn't proven anything and all based on potential. I honestly have a hard time seeing him even beating out Lee, Cole and Dede..
(03-26-2018, 01:35 PM)NJ JagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe this Moncreif signing is a smoke screen for when we make a blockbuster trade for Odell.
haha on a real note, I really don't understand paying this guy 10m who hasn't proven anything and all based on potential. I honestly have a hard time seeing him even beating out Lee, Cole and Dede..
It's not about beating them out. It's about having a different skill-set than them - one that the receiver corps was missing last year w/o Robinson.
Sure, they are rolling the dice on his production vs his potential, but you have to trust your player evaluation sometimes over statistics. The Jags are betting on their evaluation with this deal as well as the Hayden deal. I hope they don't lose those bets.
(03-26-2018, 06:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2018, 01:35 PM)NJ JagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe this Moncreif signing is a smoke screen for when we make a blockbuster trade for Odell.
haha on a real note, I really don't understand paying this guy 10m who hasn't proven anything and all based on potential. I honestly have a hard time seeing him even beating out Lee, Cole and Dede..
It's not about beating them out. It's about having a different skill-set than them - one that the receiver corps was missing last year w/o Robinson.
Sure, they are rolling the dice on his production vs his potential, but you have to trust your player evaluation sometimes over statistics. The Jags are betting on their evaluation with this deal as well as the Hayden deal. I hope they don't lose those bets.
That and it doesn't force them to draft a WR with that body type and skill set in the draft. It doesn't necessarily stop them from it either, but provides more flexibility going into the draft. I initially thought we egregiously overpaid and it may still prove that we did, but I just went through the combine numbers of this year's receivers and none that attended have Moncrief's combination of height, weight, speed and vertical so that probably helped push his price up as well.
(03-26-2018, 09:30 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2018, 01:35 PM)NJ JagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe this Moncreif signing is a smoke screen for when we make a blockbuster trade for Odell.
haha on a real note, I really don't understand paying this guy 10m who hasn't proven anything and all based on potential. I honestly have a hard time seeing him even beating out Lee, Cole and Dede..
Moncrief is bigger and faster than all our other WRs, and he's been polishing his skills as a split-end WR for a couple years now. It's what he does.
I agree that he's our best option at X/SE - and he IS fast - but I seriously doubt he's actually faster than Westbrook.
Westbrook recorded a 4.34 forty at his pro-day.
(03-26-2018, 09:30 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2018, 01:35 PM)NJ JagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe this Moncreif signing is a smoke screen for when we make a blockbuster trade for Odell.
haha on a real note, I really don't understand paying this guy 10m who hasn't proven anything and all based on potential. I honestly have a hard time seeing him even beating out Lee, Cole and Dede..
Moncrief is bigger and faster than all our other WRs, and he's been polishing his skills as a split-end WR for a couple years now. It's what he does.
Polishing is prob a bit much for Moncrief. I mean the guy would need to have done something in the first place in order to polish. I hope he breaks out as much as anyone, but I think its a fools ransom to bet on him doing that at this point, when he didn't do it the previous 4 years (2.5 with Luck).
If you ask the Indy fans, Moncreif under-performed to their expectations. The hope in Jax is that he will turn over a new leaf and put in the time and effort to improve. He relies on raw skills, which has kept him as a mediocre WR to date, with occasional flashes. Is Keenan the answer?....he's on a one year deal to find out.
(03-27-2018, 08:28 AM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]If you ask the Indy fans, Moncreif under-performed to their expectations. The hope in Jax is that he will turn over a new leaf and put in the time and effort to improve. He relies on raw skills, which has kept him as a mediocre WR to date, with occasional flashes. Is Keenan the answer?....he's on a one year deal to find out.
So did the entire organization for the last 3 years. How can a wr look good when the organization is so inept that their franchise qb was obliterated into damn near early retirement and for the last two years have been starting guys who would struggle to find a back up roll on any other team.
(03-27-2018, 08:28 AM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]If you ask the Indy fans, Moncreif under-performed to their expectations. The hope in Jax is that he will turn over a new leaf and put in the time and effort to improve. He relies on raw skills, which has kept him as a mediocre WR to date, with occasional flashes. Is Keenan the answer?....he's on a one year deal to find out.
I believe Marrone said that if Moncrief actually listens to coaching (Keenan) that he should improve on just about everything.
Here’s hoping he’s not stubborn.
(03-26-2018, 06:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2018, 01:35 PM)NJ JagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe this Moncreif signing is a smoke screen for when we make a blockbuster trade for Odell.
haha on a real note, I really don't understand paying this guy 10m who hasn't proven anything and all based on potential. I honestly have a hard time seeing him even beating out Lee, Cole and Dede..
It's not about beating them out. It's about having a different skill-set than them - one that the receiver corps was missing last year w/o Robinson.
Sure, they are rolling the dice on his production vs his potential, but you have to trust your player evaluation sometimes over statistics. The Jags are betting on their evaluation with this deal as well as the Hayden deal. I hope they don't lose those bets.
It kinda is though... you're paying this guy 10m for a year. That isn't the kind of money you throw out just because of his size and speed its because you're expecting him to be better then one the other 3 (by a significant amount). Not including we pretty much cut Hurns for it who was going to get paid 7m this year and has had better production then Moncrief. If it was just about size we would have stuck with Strong or any other tall fast wideout whose out there or could draft but no. The money shows that this guy is expected to show something that he hasn't in the past which I don't think is smart to bet on especially since you're already paying him the money.
And on top of all that there is no way you could tell me that we had to pay this guy 10m... there is no way he was having that many offers where we had to overpay for this guy? That's also not including that this guy had only a 700 yard season with a top tier QB throwing to him and when he had a below average QB throwing to him he was significantly worse (300 yard seasons and we just paid this guy 10m LOL). Plus its not like this guy hasn't had his fair share of injuries.. so this could easily have been 10m in cap we just rolled over to next year.
Obviously we can argue about this all we want but it won't matter until the season starts and we actually see productivity. This guy just seems to have a lot of if's and not a lot of production to warrant 10m/year contract and in the small chance he does ball out you think we will be able to afford the long term deal next year? probably not is my guess. So the only upside is that he balls out this one year and thats really it... or you know.. he fails out and isn't worth the money.
(03-26-2018, 09:30 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-26-2018, 01:35 PM)NJ JagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe this Moncreif signing is a smoke screen for when we make a blockbuster trade for Odell.
haha on a real note, I really don't understand paying this guy 10m who hasn't proven anything and all based on potential. I honestly have a hard time seeing him even beating out Lee, Cole and Dede..
Moncrief is bigger and faster than all our other WRs, and he's been polishing his skills as a split-end WR for a couple years now. It's what he does.
You seem to be a little misguided, do you automatically think size and speed means this guy is going to ball out? I understand why.. everyone is trying to find the next Calvin Johnson who is probably my favorite WR of all time outside of the jags and everyone tries to mimic him because they think size and speed = beast but there has been many, many cases since Calvin that has proven that wrong but people still obsess over it. Whose the tall and fast wide out that NE has or the eagles? Alshon Jeffery is the closest thing to that but even then his speed is pretty average for a wide out in this era and the Patriots have no one who fit the bill..