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Lets see the new jerseys already!

(03-15-2018, 01:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

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Already wearing the teal. I like it.

(03-15-2018, 01:31 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]Lets see the new jerseys already!

Let's see... Trent. Newark. Elizabeth. Cherry Hill. Jersey City. Atlantic City. Burlington. Mt.Holly... Uhmmm... Just off top, thats all I got.

I like the guy. He seems like a guy who is going to come in pissed off and use it to work for another contract.

Moncrief is a faster version of A-Rob. Remember the knock on ARob is his lack of speed. And it begun to show the year before he was hurt.

He's great at elevating and taking the ball from smaller db's, but to be consistent in the NFL as a wr you're going to need speed.

Has there been any word on guarantees built in to Moncrief's deal? I'd assume there is little if any. He might be expected to start, but if he gets injured in preseason or gets significantly outplayed by Lee, Cole and Westbrook and the possibility of another rookie it could be he may not make the 53 in which case he'd only be due the guarantee portion of his contract if there is any.

(03-15-2018, 04:02 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]Moncrief is a faster version of A-Rob. Remember the knock on ARob is his lack of speed. And it begun to show the year before he was hurt.

He's great at elevating and taking the ball from smaller db's, but to be consistent in the NFL as a wr you're going to need speed.

He never was the best at getting mad separation, but for his size he can run. He ran a 4.47 at his Pro Day.

That said check out Moncrief's combine numbers...

• 6' 2 3/8", 221 lbs
  
• 4.34 40-yard dash
  
• 13 reps on bench
  
• 39 1/2" vert
  
• 11' broad
  

(03-15-2018, 04:20 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Has there been any word on guarantees built in to Moncrief's deal?  I'd assume there is little if any.  He might be expected to start, but if he gets injured in preseason or gets significantly outplayed by Lee, Cole and Westbrook and the possibility of another rookie it could be he may not make the 53 in which case he'd only be due the guarantee portion of his contract if there is any.

I also have a feeling that the 7 mil will be structured in a way that he will have to make the final 53 to see that money.

(03-15-2018, 11:42 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2018, 04:20 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Has there been any word on guarantees built in to Moncrief's deal?  I'd assume there is little if any.  He might be expected to start, but if he gets injured in preseason or gets significantly outplayed by Lee, Cole and Westbrook and the possibility of another rookie it could be he may not make the 53 in which case he'd only be due the guarantee portion of his contract if there is any.

I also have a feeling that the 7 mil will be structured in a way that he will have to make the final 53 to see that money.

Sure it is. It's called base salary, and it becomes guaranteed if on the roster week one.

Moncrief has all the physical tools, he just needs to apply them to what he is doing. He's got better as a route runner, but he's still not great and his hands aren't the best either, but that combination of size and speed cannot be taught. I hope everything comes together for him here in Jacksonville. It's certainly a low risk signing that could pay high dividends.

(03-18-2018, 02:04 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Moncrief has all the physical tools, he just needs to apply them to what he is doing. He's got better as a route runner, but he's still not great and his hands aren't the best either, but that combination of size and speed cannot be taught. I hope everything comes together for him here in Jacksonville. It's certainly a low risk signing that could pay high dividends.

I'm reminded of Jason Hill. 

If you just said "who" ...I understand. 

Hill was set to be our savior replacing Jimmy Smith. He had the combine stats and looked like he'd be an instant stud, but the season began and he never did squat.

I don't mean to suggest this will happen with Moncrief, but the set-up seems similar.  

(03-18-2018, 03:23 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2018, 02:04 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Moncrief has all the physical tools, he just needs to apply them to what he is doing. He's got better as a route runner, but he's still not great and his hands aren't the best either, but that combination of size and speed cannot be taught. I hope everything comes together for him here in Jacksonville. It's certainly a low risk signing that could pay high dividends.

I'm reminded of Jason Hill. 

If you just said "who" ...I understand. 

Hill was set to be our savior replacing Jimmy Smith. He had the combine stats and looked like he'd be an instant stud, but the season began and he never did squat.

I don't mean to suggest this will happen with Moncrief, but the set-up seems similar.  

This seems like relevant information since Hill is actually Moncrief. Hill is immortal and changed his name to get back on the Jags and disappoint us again. Thank you for this genius take.

9.6 million guaranteed. Incentives could take it to eleven million

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...7958149121

Moncrief’s deal is apparently fully guaranteed. There must’ve been at least one other team bidding for him as any guarantee seems unnecessary given his production and injury history. I mean, let’s see him get through camp and preseason at least.

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This also further reinforces the notion that ARob really had no interest in playing here. $9.6 million guaranteed seems pretty high to me.

ARob’s deal is essentially for 2 years with $25 million in guarantees though he’ll earn a total of $28 million in the first 2 years and the only way he misses out on the extra $3 million is with a significant, maybe career ending injury. So it’ll average $14 million per year for the 2 years. I think most would have to agree that ARob at $14 million per year is a bargain compared to Moncrief at almost $10 million and maybe even more, right?

The Jags either know something that no one else does about ARob or he really didn’t want to be here.

Injury prone colts castoff WR for 10 million Vs Arob at 16 on the tag.

I know which one I would have chosen.

I guess people owe JLC apologies this time around he was pretty darn accurate.

(03-19-2018, 11:42 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]ARob’s deal is essentially for 2 years with $25 million in guarantees though he’ll earn a total of $28 million in the first 2 years and the only way he misses out on the extra $3 million is with a significant, maybe career ending injury.  So it’ll average $14 million per year for the 2 years.  I think most would have to agree that ARob at $14 million per year is a bargain compared to Moncrief at essentially $10 million, right?

Not necessarily. 

I mean - This deal leaves literally 18 million dollars in the Jags' accounts and many folks here believe in Moncreif's upside. 
I liked the player a lot coming out in the draft and I'm excited to see him get a chance at staying healthy and producing. 
If Moncreif works out the Jags can offer him an extension, and if they see him as a stop-gap they can draft a guy to take the spot in 2019 cheaply. 

Adding Moncreif, ASJ and likely another receiver and/or TE in the draft gives Bortles more than enough outlets to make up for A-Rob walking in FA in my mind.

(03-19-2018, 11:44 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Injury prone colts castoff WR for 10 million Vs Arob at 16 on the tag.  

I know which one I would have chosen.

Since you labeled DM as injury prone let’s not forget ARob is coming back from an ACL injury himself.

That’s pertinent information in the assessment of awarding contracts.

(03-19-2018, 11:53 AM)CAPTAIN Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 11:44 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Injury prone colts castoff WR for 10 million Vs Arob at 16 on the tag.  

I know which one I would have chosen.

Since you labeled DM as injury prone let’s not forget ARob is coming back from an ACL injury himself.

That’s pertinent information in the assessment of awarding contracts.

It's more than Alshon Jeffery's one year prove it deal, and he had actually proven to be near elite when healthy just like Arob.

We're not just gambling on health we're paying for upside that he hasn't shown.