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Arob > Moncrief and Lee combined.

(03-19-2018, 11:44 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Injury prone colts castoff WR for 10 million Vs Arob at 16 on the tag.  

I know which one I would have chosen.

Would not the "Injury Issues" apply to both?

A shoulder injury versus coming off an ACL tear.

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(03-19-2018, 12:00 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 11:53 AM)CAPTAIN Wrote: [ -> ]Since you labeled DM as injury prone let’s not forget ARob is coming back from an ACL injury himself.

That’s pertinent information in the assessment of awarding contracts.

It's more than Alshon Jeffery's one year prove it deal, and he had actually proven to be near elite when healthy just like Arob.

We're not just gambling on health we're paying for upside that he hasn't shown.

AR15 still has to prove this as well...1 year doesn't make you elite.

(03-19-2018, 12:01 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 11:44 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Injury prone colts castoff WR for 10 million Vs Arob at 16 on the tag.  

I know which one I would have chosen.

Would not the "Injury Issues" apply to both?

A shoulder injury versus coming off an ACL tear.

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(03-19-2018, 12:00 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's more than Alshon Jeffery's one year prove it deal, and he had actually proven to be near elite when healthy just like Arob.

We're not just gambling on health we're paying for upside that he hasn't shown.

AR15 still has to prove this as well...1 year doesn't make you elite.

It's the same for me either way but yeah you can apply both if you want.  

Injury prone colts cast off Vs Pro bowl caliber receiver Arob post ACL.

 I'd take Arob.

(03-19-2018, 11:53 AM)CAPTAIN Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 11:44 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Injury prone colts castoff WR for 10 million Vs Arob at 16 on the tag.  

I know which one I would have chosen.

Since you labeled DM as injury prone let’s not forget ARob is coming back from an ACL injury himself.

That’s pertinent information in the assessment of awarding contracts.

Yup fine by me. Injury prone colts cast off Vs post ACL pro bowl caliber receiver Arob.

https://twitter.com/joebanner13/status/9...46817?s=21

Joe Banner not a fan of the deal.

(03-19-2018, 12:11 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 12:01 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]Would not the "Injury Issues" apply to both?

A shoulder injury versus coming off an ACL tear.

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AR15 still has to prove this as well...1 year doesn't make you elite.

It's the same for me either way but yeah you can apply both if you want.  

Injury prone colts cast off Vs Pro bowl caliber receiver Arob post ACL.

 I'd take Arob.

Just playing with stats,  If you take out AR15 2015 year would you still call him "pro bowl caliber'?

Taking out their injury years (2017) and their best years (2015)  the biggest difference is #of targets.

Similar AVGs and Moncrief had 2 more TDs on 59 less receptions.

No denying AR15 was a Pro Bowler in 2015 but do you want to pay for 1 year coming off an ACL with the 2014/2016 AR15?

For the record I prefer AR15 but this wasn't a slam dunk decision like some make it out to be.

It's a really bad deal, but it's not as bad as the DJ Hayden deal since it's just one year. We probably did hand out two of the worst 3 or 4 deals this period though. Norwell better wash away a lot of sins.

(03-19-2018, 12:24 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's a really bad deal, but it's not as bad as the DJ Hayden deal since it's just one year. We probably did hand out two of the worst 3 or 4 deals this period though. Norwell better wash away a lot of sins.

Yea Moncrief would have been more palpable at the 7M or less and the Hayden has me completely puzzled. I feel like the Norwell/ASJ signings make it a good FA though.

(03-19-2018, 12:20 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/joebanner13/status/9...46817?s=21

Joe Banner not a fan of the deal.

Well, if Joe banner doesn't like it ....

Who the hell is Joe Banner?

I'm seeing some worrying parallels to the 2008 season.

I think its clear ARob didn't want to be here

(03-19-2018, 12:34 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think its clear ARob didn't want to be here

I think that's probably true, but they could have tagged him. (I think I would have tagged him, but I'm not privy to his medical reports post -injury, so the Jags had more info to decide with)

Still, I don't hate the Moncreif signing even if it's a bout 3 million more than it should be. I've been sort of waiting/expecting for him to have a big break-out season with the colts, and I'd like to see it happen with the Jags instead.

(03-19-2018, 12:29 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]I'm seeing some worrying parallels to the 2008 season.

Like what?

Idzik is in control of the cap now and he's one of the best in the league. A lot of the deals are essentially 2 year deals (outside of Norwell but he's a top 3 guard in the league) which allows the team to get out of the deals with little to no dead money.

I really don't see any parallels.

I think it's becoming more clear that our FO are the ones that simply didn't want Arob to be here, not vice versa.

(03-19-2018, 12:34 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think its clear ARob didn't want to be here

I tend to agree.

"It takes two to tango"....

*But what about the tag????*

Do you want to pay 16 mil to someone who really doesn't want to be here? Why not spend that money on players that are excited about coming here instead like Norwell and ASJ?

(03-19-2018, 12:44 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Do you want to pay 16 mil to someone who really doesn't want to be here? Why not spend that money on players that are excited about coming here instead like Norwell and ASJ?

We managed to pay Norwell/ASJ and still find a way to give Moncrief and Marqise ~3 mil more than the franchise tag, so that logic doesn't work. We could have easily had Norwell, ASJ, AND Arob.

And who cares about if Arob wanted to be here or not. He would have been forced to try his hardest so he could have cashed in next year. I think the evidence is pointing toward the FO not wanting Arob to be here more than Arob not wanting to be here.

(03-19-2018, 12:24 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 12:11 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It's the same for me either way but yeah you can apply both if you want.  

Injury prone colts cast off Vs Pro bowl caliber receiver Arob post ACL.

 I'd take Arob.

Just playing with stats,  If you take out AR15 2015 year would you still call him "pro bowl caliber'?

Taking out their injury years (2017) and their best years (2015)  the biggest difference is #of targets.

Similar AVGs and Moncrief had 2 more TDs on 59 less receptions.

No denying AR15 was a Pro Bowler in 2015 but do you want to pay for 1 year coming off an ACL with the 2014/2016 AR15?

For the record I prefer AR15 but this wasn't a slam dunk decision like some make it out to be.

Removing the year he went to the pro bowl and asking if he's still a pro bowl caliber WR doesn't make much sense.  

He's had historic age adjusted production. Had a down year in a terrible offense/team with one of the worst QBs in football (at the time) followed by an ACL injury this year.

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Arob said he was disappointed NOT to receive the tag.

How often do you hear that from players?

(03-19-2018, 12:42 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 12:29 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]I'm seeing some worrying parallels to the 2008 season.

Like what?

Idzik is in control of the cap now and he's one of the best in the league. A lot of the deals are essentially 2 year deals (outside of Norwell but he's a top 3 guard in the league) which allows the team to get out of the deals with little to no dead money.

I really don't see any parallels.

Hopefully it's just the natural pessimist in me, but that offseason we felt like we were so close to being elite and overpaid for a few FAs that actually set us back rather than improved the team. For Moncrief and Hayden read Porter and Florence. Then of course we traded up in the draft to fill what we thought was our last need (pass rusher) and absolutely screwed the pooch. 

I realise there are a ton of differences too, and I'm probably being unnecessarily negative, but having low expectations worked out great last season so I'm not changing now lol

(03-19-2018, 12:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2018, 12:44 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Do you want to pay 16 mil to someone who really doesn't want to be here? Why not spend that money on players that are excited about coming here instead like Norwell and ASJ?

We managed to pay Norwell/ASJ and still find a way to give Moncrief and Marqise ~3 mil more than the franchise tag, so that logic doesn't work. We could have easily had Norwell, ASJ, AND Arob.

And who cares about if Arob wanted to be here or not. He would have been forced to try his hardest so he could have cashed in next year. I think the evidence is pointing toward the FO not wanting Arob to be here more than Arob not wanting to be here.

I think the evidence is pointing toward the F.O. not liking what the doctors were telling them about A-Rob's knee rehab.