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Oh, there is more.

(08-17-2021, 10:00 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, there is more.

Gold. If this worthless thread must stay open at least keep these coming.

(08-17-2021, 10:17 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2021, 10:00 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, there is more.

Gold. If this worthless thread must stay open at least keep these coming.

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So good.
https://twitter.com/DrUnits/status/14277...CFiGA&s=19

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https://twitter.com/plastiqmachine/statu...bdUaw&s=19

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Final one.
https://twitter.com/jtylerconway/status/...AFNsg&s=19

Newest signing.
https://twitter.com/DunnandDrew/status/1...FL3Yw&s=19

(08-17-2021, 07:42 PM)Tank Commander Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2021, 06:29 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Sir, please put down the crack pipe.

Seems like obvious sacaracsm.

I'm not so sure. I seem to recall the poster being a Tebowite. If I recall wrong, I guess I got wooshed.

So, to sum up the Tebow era, it was a mistake to put the guy on the 90 man roster, but on the other hand, if they were going to do it, they did it the right way.

No press conferences, no interviews, and cut with the first wave of cuts. I think they did a good job of minimizing the circus.

(08-18-2021, 06:18 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So, to sum up  the Tebow era, it was a mistake to put the guy on the 90 man roster, but on the other hand, if they were going to do it, they did it the right way. 

No press conferences, no interviews, and cut with the first wave of cuts.  I think they did a good job of minimizing the circus.

I think the word we are all looking for is "closure".

Jacksonville finally has Tebow closure.  Only took 12 years.

Well they managed to get rid of some extra jerseys this summer.

Didnt this all go as expected?

So I came out my front door this morning, and some guy was walking down the street talking on his cell phone, and he was saying something like, "...he was arguably the greatest college football player off all time..." I'm sure he was talking about Tebow, and I have heard this from other people.  But I wouldn't put Tim Tebow in the top 10 college football players of all time. 

Is there any case at all that Tim Tebow is one of the all time great college football players?  He's a legend in Jacksonville, and among Gator fans, but seriously, all-time great in all of college football history?  No.

Now we know what they are going to do with the left over Tebow jerseys.

He had his chance to make this team years ago but chose the Jets instead. He would have been the starting QB in Jax that year.

(08-18-2021, 06:18 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So, to sum up  the Tebow era, it was a mistake to put the guy on the 90 man roster, but on the other hand, if they were going to do it, they did it the right way. 

No press conferences, no interviews, and cut with the first wave of cuts.  I think they did a good job of minimizing the circus.

I Concur.

Jersey sales again for the fourth time were #1 though. We got our share of the pot. IJS.

NH3...

(08-18-2021, 07:55 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So I came out my front door this morning, and some guy was walking down the street talking on his cell phone, and he was saying something like, "...he was arguably the greatest college football player off all time..." I'm sure he was talking about Tebow, and I have heard this from other people.  But I wouldn't put Tim Tebow in the top 10 college football players of all time. 

Is there any case at all that Tim Tebow is one of the all time great college football players?  He's a legend in Jacksonville, and among Gator fans, but seriously, all-time great in all of college football history?  No.

Absolutely. That case has been made many times by many pundits. For college players, the body of work is very relevant. Because the proposition on the table is not "who was the most talented player to play college football." Jerry Rice was arguably the greatest receiver to ever lace them up -- but his college and conference was inconsequential, and it's understood there's an "impact" factor on the whole body of work when looking at the greatest college players. Bo Jackson was the freakiest freak that ever freaked. Hershel was probably the best football player of all time. But body of work, consequential games, those things come into when trying to say the greatest.

Keep in mind, your question wasn't "Is he definitely the greatest" or even "is he the greatest." Your questions was "is there any case" for it. Yes. Just a few data points:

1. Two national championships. First one, wasn't the quarterback, but led that team in touchdowns. (Not many players have two, and those that do get in the conversation on that basis).
2. First sophomore to win the Heisman.
3. Only returning Heisman winner to win a national championship.
4. Broke Herschel Walker's SEC record for rushing touchdowns (which, in the conference that had Hershel, Bo, and so many other great tailbacks, is kind of the gold standard).
5. While breaking that rushing TD record, threw for 88 TD's (finishing 3rd in SEC history, one behind Peyton Manning's 89. Think about that -- rushed for more than Hershel, passed for about as many as Peyton.
6. First 30-20 man in college football (30 passing TD's and 20 rushing TD's). There are still only three (Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson).
7. Did all of this in the most difficult, competitive conference, at a time when that conference was at one of its peaks.

So there will be those that go "that's not I score it. He was on good teams and I want to give more points to guys who accomplished less with lousy teams." But you can see how from a story standpoint he's one of the most consequential players of all time.

(08-18-2021, 09:29 AM)Race Bannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2021, 07:55 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So I came out my front door this morning, and some guy was walking down the street talking on his cell phone, and he was saying something like, "...he was arguably the greatest college football player off all time..." I'm sure he was talking about Tebow, and I have heard this from other people.  But I wouldn't put Tim Tebow in the top 10 college football players of all time. 

Is there any case at all that Tim Tebow is one of the all time great college football players?  He's a legend in Jacksonville, and among Gator fans, but seriously, all-time great in all of college football history?  No.

Absolutely.  That case has been made many times by many pundits.  For college players, the body of work is very relevant.  Because the proposition on the table is not "who was the most talented player to play college football."  Jerry Rice was arguably the greatest receiver to ever lace them up -- but his college and conference was inconsequential, and it's understood there's an "impact" factor on the whole body of work when looking at the greatest college players.  Bo Jackson was the freakiest freak that ever freaked.  Hershel was probably the best football player of all time. But body of work, consequential games, those things come into when trying to say the greatest. 

Keep in mind, your question wasn't "Is he definitely the greatest" or even "is he the greatest."  Your questions was "is there any case" for it.  Yes.  Just a few data points:

1.  Two national championships.  First one, wasn't the quarterback, but led that team in touchdowns.  (Not many players have two, and those that do get in the conversation on that basis).
2.  First sophomore to win the Heisman.
3.  Only returning Heisman winner to win a national championship.
4.  Broke Herschel Walker's SEC record for rushing touchdowns (which, in the conference that had Hershel, Bo, and so many other great tailbacks, is kind of the gold standard).
5.  While breaking that rushing TD record, threw for 88 TD's (finishing 3rd in SEC history, one behind Peyton Manning's 89.  Think about that -- rushed for more than Hershel, passed for about as many as Peyton.
6.  First 30-20 man in college football (30 passing TD's and 20 rushing TD's).  There are still only three (Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson).
7.  Did all of this in the most difficult, competitive conference, at a time when that conference was at one of its peaks.

So there will be those that go "that's not I score it.  He was on good teams and I want to give more points to guys who accomplished less with lousy teams."  But you can see how from a story standpoint he's one of the most consequential players of all time.

Now that Freshman have won the Heisman that doesn't mean squat. And that redshirt freshman was also a colossal failure in the big boy leagues.

And no, the conference found that "peak" when Alabama started destroying everyone and made Tebow cry. That just also correlated with UF becoming an afterthought so I can see why you'd think that while UF was on top the SEC was at it's peak....

well at least this thread will eventually go away... :O

(08-18-2021, 09:38 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]well at least this thread will eventually go away... :O

No.  Now that we've started discussing Tebow's legacy, this can go on for at least 10 more pages.  You're welcome.

(08-18-2021, 09:35 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2021, 09:29 AM)Race Bannon Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely.  That case has been made many times by many pundits.  For college players, the body of work is very relevant.  Because the proposition on the table is not "who was the most talented player to play college football."  Jerry Rice was arguably the greatest receiver to ever lace them up -- but his college and conference was inconsequential, and it's understood there's an "impact" factor on the whole body of work when looking at the greatest college players.  Bo Jackson was the freakiest freak that ever freaked.  Hershel was probably the best football player of all time. But body of work, consequential games, those things come into when trying to say the greatest. 

Keep in mind, your question wasn't "Is he definitely the greatest" or even "is he the greatest."  Your questions was "is there any case" for it.  Yes.  Just a few data points:

1.  Two national championships.  First one, wasn't the quarterback, but led that team in touchdowns.  (Not many players have two, and those that do get in the conversation on that basis).
2.  First sophomore to win the Heisman.
3.  Only returning Heisman winner to win a national championship.
4.  Broke Herschel Walker's SEC record for rushing touchdowns (which, in the conference that had Hershel, Bo, and so many other great tailbacks, is kind of the gold standard).
5.  While breaking that rushing TD record, threw for 88 TD's (finishing 3rd in SEC history, one behind Peyton Manning's 89.  Think about that -- rushed for more than Hershel, passed for about as many as Peyton.
6.  First 30-20 man in college football (30 passing TD's and 20 rushing TD's).  There are still only three (Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson).
7.  Did all of this in the most difficult, competitive conference, at a time when that conference was at one of its peaks.

So there will be those that go "that's not I score it.  He was on good teams and I want to give more points to guys who accomplished less with lousy teams."  But you can see how from a story standpoint he's one of the most consequential players of all time.

Now that Freshman have won the Heisman that doesn't mean squat. And that redshirt freshman was also a colossal failure in the big boy leagues.

And no, the conference found that "peak" when Alabama started destroying everyone and made Tebow cry. That just also correlated with UF becoming an afterthought so I can see why you'd think that while UF was on top the SEC was at it's peak....

I'm certainly not a UF fan or a Tebow fan by any means - my kids went to rival schools (college-FSU / high school-St Augustine, who Tebow never beat, going 0-4 against them) and I've been to many games in Tallahassee, but you can't deny the points that were made. He's not saying Tebow was the best player in college history - just that the case can be made that he's one of the best, and I don't disagree with that.  You didn't really refute any of the points he made, other than having an issue with UF being on top at the SEC's peak - but he actually said "at a time when that conference was at one of it's peaks" - and that's also true....  Tebow was a great college football player but his talents most certainly didn't translate to the NFL and he just wasn't cut out to play at the next level.