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(03-12-2022, 07:59 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 06:55 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Miraculously falls? I don't think it's a stretch, there are a few really good WRs at the top. I think one of Olave, Dotson, or Watson willfall
Of those guys, I only believe Olave is a true, immediate #1. He should be the 3rd WR off the board in round 1. I like Dotson, but I think he goes in round 1 as well. I like Watson a lot, but I think he takes a while to develop. I don't see him coming in and putting up anything close to Ja'Marr Chase numbers in year one or even year 2. We need someone who can be a true #1 in 2022.
Jamarr Chase set the rookie record. He will likely be a HOF. You ain't getting a Chase and you don't have to be a Chase to be a number 1
(03-12-2022, 06:49 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 06:22 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I'd rather not take on 20m each year for the next three years for him.
And maybe I'm crazy, but I would like to see them work on a contract with Chark before they start targeting other receivers. Giving Bortles a contract extension and not even being willing to talk with Ramsey about his is what soured Ramsey on us. Focus on the players we have now and take care of them and then work on trades/FA.
Getting Chark back is fine. I want him back too, but you have to admit, he has a history of injuries. Can he be counted on to be a #1 WR the entire season without getting hurt? Unless one of the top WR's miraculously falls to #33, I don't see any other way we find a true #1 WR without trading for one.
He missed 5 games his rookie season, 1 game in 2019 and 3 in 2020.
He got hurt this year because JRob got tackled into the back of his legs while he was run blocking down field. Can't really fault him for that, just a crappy situation that happens from time to time.
(03-12-2022, 08:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 07:59 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Of those guys, I only believe Olave is a true, immediate #1. He should be the 3rd WR off the board in round 1. I like Dotson, but I think he goes in round 1 as well. I like Watson a lot, but I think he takes a while to develop. I don't see him coming in and putting up anything close to Ja'Marr Chase numbers in year one or even year 2. We need someone who can be a true #1 in 2022.
Jamarr Chase set the rookie record. He will likely be a HOF. You ain't getting a Chase and you don't have to be a Chase to be a number 1
Well no duh Sherlock! That is why I specifically said, he probably wouldn't putting up
anything close to the numbers Chase put up. I was simply using Chase as an example of a rookie WR who made an immediate impact. You want me to use a different example? I don't think Watson will come in right away and put up anything close to the numbers Jaylen Waddle put up last season or What CeeDee Lamb did in his rookie year. Is that better?
(03-12-2022, 08:15 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 06:49 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Getting Chark back is fine. I want him back too, but you have to admit, he has a history of injuries. Can he be counted on to be a #1 WR the entire season without getting hurt? Unless one of the top WR's miraculously falls to #33, I don't see any other way we find a true #1 WR without trading for one.
He missed 5 games his rookie season, 1 game in 2019 and 3 in 2020.
He got hurt this year because JRob got tackled into the back of his legs while he was run blocking down field. Can't really fault him for that, just a crappy situation that happens from time to time.
I know, but some guys are just fragile. I hope that is not the case with Chark, but you never know. He's never played a full season yet, since entering the NFL. That is still a concern.
Really didn't want Cooper at 20 milly per year because his effort is in question and he gets hurt too.
I don't see any rookie in this draft being an immediate number 1. If I'm not mistaken most of the top ones have speed but are smaller guys. Jamar chase is an anomaly, he's barely 6 ft but has a wide base and is strong plus his speed.
Hopefully someone wants our #33 for like a Mike Thomas or Metcalf and then we pay them north of 20 milly. Other than that Chark is our #1 again and we better hope Shenault isn't jinxed this year too because all left are guys like Crowder, Kirk, and Gage. #2 or slot WRs.
(03-12-2022, 08:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 08:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Jamarr Chase set the rookie record. He will likely be a HOF. You ain't getting a Chase and you don't have to be a Chase to be a number 1
Well no duh Sherlock! That is why I specifically said, he probably wouldn't putting up anything close to the numbers Chase put up. I was simply using Chase as an example of a rookie WR who made an immediate impact. You want me to use a different example? I don't think Watson will come in right away and put up anything close to the numbers Jaylen Waddle put up last season or What CeeDee Lamb did in his rookie year. Is that better?
(03-12-2022, 08:15 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He missed 5 games his rookie season, 1 game in 2019 and 3 in 2020.
He got hurt this year because JRob got tackled into the back of his legs while he was run blocking down field. Can't really fault him for that, just a crappy situation that happens from time to time.
I know, but some guys are just fragile. I hope that is not the case with Chark, but you never know. He's never played a full season yet, since entering the NFL. That is still a concern.
Waddle also set the rookie record. You're giving bad examples. Those guys are top 6 picks. I could see him putting up Lamb like numbers if he had other weapons around him like Lamb did. Lamb went to a team that were already stacked at WR and TE.
(03-12-2022, 09:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 08:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Well no duh Sherlock! That is why I specifically said, he probably wouldn't putting up anything close to the numbers Chase put up. I was simply using Chase as an example of a rookie WR who made an immediate impact. You want me to use a different example? I don't think Watson will come in right away and put up anything close to the numbers Jaylen Waddle put up last season or What CeeDee Lamb did in his rookie year. Is that better?
I know, but some guys are just fragile. I hope that is not the case with Chark, but you never know. He's never played a full season yet, since entering the NFL. That is still a concern.
Waddle also set the rookie record. You're giving bad examples. Those guys are top 6 picks. I could see him putting up Lamb like numbers if he had other weapons around him like Lamb did. Lamb went to a team that were already stacked at WR and TE.
You're making my point for me. We don't have any weapons to surround a rookie WR. We can't possibly expect a rookie 2nd round WR to come in here and be the #1 WR, which is why we're gonna have to trade for one. There certainly isn't a #1 WR type in free agency, but we need someone to come in here and at the very least, put up numbers like CeeDee Lamb did in his rookie season and I don't see that happening via this draft at pick #33 or free agency.
(03-12-2022, 07:51 PM)BamboozledAgain Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe so many on this board wanted Amari Cooper for 20 million per year. smh
I can't believe so many on this board want us to give a big contract to DJ Chark but are against guys like Cooper/AR-15 who are both, much better players.
Who would you take between Robinson and Landry.
(03-13-2022, 12:25 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Who would you take between Robinson and Landry.
I would pass on both. Neither are worth anything remotely close to what they will command and they don't represent a significant upgrade over what we have.
It's funny to me that ppl get hung up on 20 mil vs 14 mil in a year that the market is inflated like hell and most decent or better free agents will be grossly overpaid
I don't give a [BLEEP] if we overpay for anyone who makes this team better -- especially if we have an out clause in the contract after 2 or 3 years
(03-13-2022, 12:25 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Who would you take between Robinson and Landry.
This is a joke question right? Robinson and it's not close. The only comp with the two is being somewhat slow, Robinsons hands are elite and if anyone denies that, they haven't been a jaguar fan very long.
(03-13-2022, 01:26 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2022, 12:25 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Who would you take between Robinson and Landry.
I would pass on both. Neither are worth anything remotely close to what they will command and they don't represent a significant upgrade over what we have.
Really? Cause I seem to recall Allen Robinson putting up 1400 yards and 14 TDs with Blake Bortles at QB. Marvin Jones is our best WR currently (unless your one of the people who think Chark is good because he had one good year out of like 4) and Jones compares more to a Allen Hurns if you will. AR-15 is lightyears better. He's had Blake, Trubiski, Foles and Fields. He's done pretty good for what he's had.
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(03-13-2022, 02:53 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Really? Cause I seem to recall Allen Robinson putting up 1400 yards and 14 TDs with Blake Bortles at QB.
That was a whopping 7 years ago. Arob has gone airborn and slammed into the ground hundreds of times since then. I'm pretty worried that his 50/50 ball specialty has taken a toll on his body and the guy that was a bonafide WR1 talent is no longer in there.
I'm not going to complain if we do wind up rolling the dice on him, just saying I'm worried and if we don't wind up with him I don't think it's the end of the world.
(03-13-2022, 02:53 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2022, 12:25 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Who would you take between Robinson and Landry.
This is a joke question right? Robinson and it's not close. The only comp with the two is being somewhat slow, Robinsons hands are elite and if anyone denies that, they haven't been a jaguar fan very long.
(03-13-2022, 01:26 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I would pass on both. Neither are worth anything remotely close to what they will command and they don't represent a significant upgrade over what we have.
Really? Cause I seem to recall Allen Robinson putting up 1400 yards and 14 TDs with Blake Bortles at QB. Marvin Jones is our best WR currently (unless your one of the people who think Chark is good because he had one good year out of like 4) and Jones compares more to a Allen Hurns if you will. AR-15 is lightyears better. He's had Blake, Trubiski, Foles and Fields. He's done pretty good for what he's had.
Do you know how long ago that was? A.J. Green was once a great WR, but no one was clamoring to sign him last year, because like Robinson, his prime is over. He's not the player he once was. Robinson was hot garbage in the games he played last season. No excuses. He wasn't even second fiddle to Darnell Mooney, he was like third fiddle. He's gonna ask for a huge deal and he's not gonna live up to anything close to that deal. Not to mention his attitude. Remember when he was screaming at Bortles during that televised game? Lawrence is young and he's gonna make some mistakes. We don't need some hothead receiver like Robinson screaming at him like he did with Bortles. I don't wanna get stuck with a big contract for a player that is not significantly better than what we have now and may cause problems with our QB. Some people need to stop living in the past. The Allen Robinson of today is not even close to the Allen Robinson that left this team in 2018. Just like Myles Jack is not the player he was in 2018.
Yes, we are in dire straits when it comes to the WR position, but that doesn't mean we should make irrational moves. Baalke already screwed up by letting Amari Cooper get away. We MUST trade for a #1 receiver. If we come out of this offseason without a true veteran #1 receiver, this next season will be a failure. We also have to realize that Robinson is not a #1 anymore.
(03-12-2022, 08:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 08:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Jamarr Chase set the rookie record. He will likely be a HOF. You ain't getting a Chase and you don't have to be a Chase to be a number 1
Well no duh Sherlock! That is why I specifically said, he probably wouldn't putting up anything close to the numbers Chase put up. I was simply using Chase as an example of a rookie WR who made an immediate impact. You want me to use a different example? I don't think Watson will come in right away and put up anything close to the numbers Jaylen Waddle put up last season or What CeeDee Lamb did in his rookie year. Is that better?
(03-12-2022, 08:15 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He missed 5 games his rookie season, 1 game in 2019 and 3 in 2020.
He got hurt this year because JRob got tackled into the back of his legs while he was run blocking down field. Can't really fault him for that, just a crappy situation that happens from time to time.
I know, but some guys are just fragile. I hope that is not the case with Chark, but you never know. He's never played a full season yet, since entering the NFL. That is still a concern.
He had a RB get tackled and fall on his ankle from behind.
Anyone could have gotten hurt on a play like that. Not sure Chark should be penalized in any analysis because of that.
(03-13-2022, 11:49 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 08:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Well no duh Sherlock! That is why I specifically said, he probably wouldn't putting up anything close to the numbers Chase put up. I was simply using Chase as an example of a rookie WR who made an immediate impact. You want me to use a different example? I don't think Watson will come in right away and put up anything close to the numbers Jaylen Waddle put up last season or What CeeDee Lamb did in his rookie year. Is that better?
I know, but some guys are just fragile. I hope that is not the case with Chark, but you never know. He's never played a full season yet, since entering the NFL. That is still a concern.
He had a RB get tackled and fall on his ankle from behind.
Anyone could have gotten hurt on a play like that. Not sure Chark should be penalized in any analysis because of that.
I'm certainly not faulting him for that, I'm just simply saying some players' bodies aren't as durable as others. The same type of fall may not have been as severe for a different player. Sometimes certain people get injured doing things that other people could simply walk off. Everyone is different. Maybe Chark is a bit more fragile than some other players. That would not be his fault, it would just be how he was created. Hopefully, I'm wrong and he has just suffered some bad luck. In any case, I want him back. I think he has a lot of untapped potential. He just needs to stay healthy.
(03-13-2022, 01:26 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2022, 11:49 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]He had a RB get tackled and fall on his ankle from behind.
Anyone could have gotten hurt on a play like that. Not sure Chark should be penalized in any analysis because of that.
I'm certainly not faulting him for that, I'm just simply saying some players' bodies aren't as durable as others. The same type of fall may not have been as severe for a different player. Sometimes certain people get injured doing things that other people could simply walk off. Everyone is different. Maybe Chark is a bit more fragile than some other players. That would not be his fault, it would just be how he was created. Hopefully, I'm wrong and he has just suffered some bad luck. In any case, I want him back. I think he has a lot of untapped potential. He just needs to stay healthy.
I think you're really reaching here man. I don't care who the player is, you could put anybody in that same position Chark was in and their ankle is going to break. Has nothing to do with being fragile or not.
Here's the injury below, watch it again. Anybody's ankle is getting snapped in that situation.
I hope Chark resigns. He has endured the bad times and I would like to see what he would do with our team as it becomes less dysfunctional.
Looks like we might have to take a gamble on MVS, he has gotten better at route running still isn’t great but can take the top off of any defense. He is probably going to get way over paid but welcome to free agency and the Jacksonville Jaguars fa tax to get anyone to play for us.
Another one bites the dust
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