(03-12-2022, 03:10 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:05 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]My offer was better. LOL.
Dallas basically swapped 6th RD picks with Cleveland and only really gained a 5th RD pick out of this trade. That's [BLEEP] INSANE!
You could have easily forked over a 4th. Hell, you could have probably got away with giving up just the 5th RD pick and one of those four 6th RD picks that will be lucky to make the final roster for Cooper.
Makes me think we go hard after A Rob and won't have to give up a pick
My guess is we are all going to be pretty disappointed.
This was a clear chance to help Trevor but they botched it per usual. And if they don’t get ARob or bring back Chark…..Then what?
Very disappointing move. Now, if we don't trade for one of the Seattle WR's, this free agency period is gonna be a failure. There isn't a single FA WR that I believe would significantly help this offense. If we don't get a premier WR via a trade, I'd rather just draft 3 WR's and roll with them. No need to waste FA money on receivers that are not much better than what we already have.
(03-12-2022, 09:53 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Not giving up any selections in RD3 in this year's class for Cooper and I am not really interested in Collins. Collins didn't play in 2020 and was on IR and he's a known doper in the NFL now after missing 5 games with a suspension last year. Too risky for this roster at the moment on a guy like that. He actually seems very immature with his decision making.
I would give up picks 103 (4th RD) and pick 196 (6th RD) for Amari Cooper. That's it. Not going any higher than that.
Collins would also more than likely play at RT, not LT. So, not sure why Robinson signing or rescinding on his tag would matter in the decision making here. If Baalke is dead set on getting an upgrade at RT. I commend him. Because the team needs it based upon Taylor's regression since they drafted him. However, again. I am not giving up any selections in the top 100 for him.
If you think he's an instant starter at RT? And he's been vetted and you think you can rely on him to not make stupid decisions again like he did last year while also holding up physically (he does have some injury concerns, again, didn't play in 2020, didn't finish in 2016) then, go for it. I'll give you 153 (5th RD) and 179 (6th RD) and MAYBE....MAYBE... a fourth round pick in next year's draft. Again. That's it. Not going any higher than that.
And the logic behind these picks is pretty simple. It's not that bad of a draft class at WR and T. And, you have to factor in that we're looking at a new offensive system that's rooted in the RPO. This means the burden falls on Lawrence virtually on every snap. He's going to have to read the defense completely, understand what he's seeing out there and trust what he's seeing to get the football in and out of his hands. I don't think we're going to need crazy athletes at LT and RT this year to make it work. I think you could also package up these same draft picks that I would be willing to fork over for Cooper and Collins to find adequate talent and players that are younger, cheaper and just as promising to address those needs there.
Dallas is hurting more in this scenario. They're trading away close to a total of 17% in cap hits this year with Cooper and Collins while this team gains two quality starters (potentially) in exchange for picks 103, 153, 179 & 196. That's beyond fair compensation IMHO. The way Jerry Jones likes to wheel and deal in the draft anyways he could probably use those four picks to weasel his way back into the top 100 for another coveted player of his with character issues.
(03-12-2022, 03:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:10 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Makes me think we go hard after A Rob and won't have to give up a pick
My guess is we are all going to be pretty disappointed.
This was a clear chance to help Trevor but they botched it per usual. And if they don’t get ARob or bring back Chark…..Then what?
Have to have a good draft
(03-12-2022, 03:10 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:05 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]My offer was better. LOL.
Dallas basically swapped 6th RD picks with Cleveland and only really gained a 5th RD pick out of this trade. That's [BLEEP] INSANE!
You could have easily forked over a 4th. Hell, you could have probably got away with giving up just the 5th RD pick and one of those four 6th RD picks that will be lucky to make the final roster for Cooper.
Makes me think we go hard after A Rob and won't have to give up a pick
I wouldn't waste money on Robinson. He totally disappeared last season. He went M.I.A. while a little known receiver named Darnell Mooney thrived in the same offense. You can't blame Robinson's failures last season on having a rookie QB when Mooney came out of nowhere in the same offense to have a very good season. The truth is that Robinson is on the decline and just can't get open like he used to. We already have receivers that can't get open. We don't need another one.
My big worry is all of the options in free agency, is dj chark would be a better option than all of them, no doubt Robinson is a better wr but at 28 common sense would suggest dj has a better 4 years than a rob does going forward. So what ever we do if we let dj go we’re weakening our biggest weakness
(03-12-2022, 03:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:34 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't waste money on Robinson. He totally disappeared last season. He went M.I.A. while a little known receiver named Darnell Mooney thrived in the same offense. You can't blame Robinson's failures last season on having a rookie QB when Mooney came out of nowhere in the same offense to have a very good season. The truth is that Robinson is on the decline and just can't get open like he used to. We already have receivers that can't get open. We don't need another one.
A Rob was hurt last year
He played 12 games and looked like trash in those games.
(03-12-2022, 03:34 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/15027...25120?s=21
There's also a good chance that the Cowboys were nice about it and asked Cooper which team he would like to play for out of the offers they had received, and Cooper and his agent said keep me theh ell away from Baalke.
(03-12-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]He played 12 games and looked like trash in those games.
He played hurt in those games, but he did look bad. Was he bad cause he was playing hurt, was he bad because it was an awful situation and he was frustrated, was he bad because he's aged some and taken a beating and just doesn't have as much left in the tank? It's a scary question.
(03-12-2022, 03:40 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:36 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I guess we tried. Still very disheartening though. Time to focus all our energy and resources to a Seattle trade.
Not holding my breath for that.
Agreed, but there's nothing else out there and it's hard to count on a rookie WR or two to step up big when we won't even be drafting one until at least pick #33. I just don't see how this offense makes a significant turnaround without getting Trevor a veteran #1 receiver.
(03-12-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]A Rob was hurt last year
He played 12 games and looked like trash in those games.
Like I said. He was hurt. He only played 12 games and had a lingering hamstring injury. You're not gonna be 100% with a lingering hamstring injury.
Cooper was traded for a fifth round draft pick while we offered a fourth and a sixth.
NH3...
(03-12-2022, 03:45 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:34 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/15027...25120?s=21
There's also a good chance that the Cowboys were nice about it and asked Cooper which team he would like to play for out of the offers they had received, and Cooper and his agent said keep me theh ell away from Baalke.
(03-12-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]He played 12 games and looked like trash in those games.
He played hurt in those games, but he did look bad. Was he bad cause he was playing hurt, was he bad because it was an awful situation and he was frustrated, was he bad because he's aged some and taken a beating and just doesn't have as much left in the tank? It's a scary question.
I was reading something the other day that said he also was essentially blocking every game for Mooney on screens.
The QB play was really bad last year.
Regardless of the reason for ARobs bad season, Jags still have to take a chance.
(03-12-2022, 03:45 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:34 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/15027...25120?s=21
There's also a good chance that the Cowboys were nice about it and asked Cooper which team he would like to play for out of the offers they had received, and Cooper and his agent said keep me theh ell away from Baalke.
(03-12-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]He played 12 games and looked like trash in those games.
He played hurt in those games, but he did look bad. Was he bad cause he was playing hurt, was he bad because it was an awful situation and he was frustrated, was he bad because he's aged some and taken a beating and just doesn't have as much left in the tank? It's a scary question.
If that is the case, I really don't want him. It means he is a headcase that let's outside influences effect his play. Not good. If he was hurt and kept playing, that hurt his team. He would've been better off sitting out than playing so poorly. If he doesn't have much left in the tank, that would be bad as well. It's a no-win situation with him. I take a hard pass.
Remember how Robinson was caught on camera yelling at Blake Bortles? Trevor is gonna make some mistakes, he's young. Do we really wanna bring some "diva type" WR in here to mess with Lawrence's head if he makes a mistake?
(03-12-2022, 03:44 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]My big worry is all of the options in free agency, is dj chark would be a better option than all of them, no doubt Robinson is a better wr but at 28 common sense would suggest dj has a better 4 years than a rob does going forward. So what ever we do if we let dj go we’re weakening our biggest weakness
I love Chark and definitely wanna bring him back, but he is injured a lot and it's no guarantee he stays healthy. That's why we need to go after a true #1 receiver as well.
(03-12-2022, 03:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]He played 12 games and looked like trash in those games.
Like I said. He was hurt. He only played 12 games and had a lingering hamstring injury. You're not gonna be 100% with a lingering hamstring injury.
Excuses. If he was hurt that bad, he should've sat out instead of playing like hot garbage. A healthy WR on the field would've given them a better chance to win.
(03-12-2022, 03:51 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:45 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]There's also a good chance that the Cowboys were nice about it and asked Cooper which team he would like to play for out of the offers they had received, and Cooper and his agent said keep me theh ell away from Baalke.
He played hurt in those games, but he did look bad. Was he bad cause he was playing hurt, was he bad because it was an awful situation and he was frustrated, was he bad because he's aged some and taken a beating and just doesn't have as much left in the tank? It's a scary question.
I was reading something the other day that said he also was essentially blocking every game for Mooney on screens.
The QB play was really bad last year.
Regardless of the reason for ARobs bad season, Jags still have to take a chance.
No we don't. I don't wanna be on the hook for the type of big contract he's gonna want when he doesn't make this team significantly better.
(03-12-2022, 03:53 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2022, 03:45 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]There's also a good chance that the Cowboys were nice about it and asked Cooper which team he would like to play for out of the offers they had received, and Cooper and his agent said keep me theh ell away from Baalke.
He played hurt in those games, but he did look bad. Was he bad cause he was playing hurt, was he bad because it was an awful situation and he was frustrated, was he bad because he's aged some and taken a beating and just doesn't have as much left in the tank? It's a scary question.
If that is the case, I really don't want him. It means he is a headcase that let's outside influences effect his play. Not good. If he was hurt and kept playing, that hurt his team. He would've been better off sitting out than playing so poorly. If he doesn't have much left in the tank, that would be bad as well. It's a no-win situation with him. I take a hard pass.
Remember how Robinson was caught on camera yelling at Blake Bortles? Trevor is gonna make some mistakes, he's young. Do we really wanna bring some "diva type" WR in here to mess with Lawrence's head if he makes a mistake?
(03-12-2022, 03:44 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]My big worry is all of the options in free agency, is dj chark would be a better option than all of them, no doubt Robinson is a better wr but at 28 common sense would suggest dj has a better 4 years than a rob does going forward. So what ever we do if we let dj go we’re weakening our biggest weakness
I love Chark and definitely wanna bring him back, but he is injured a lot and it's no guarantee he stays healthy. That's why we need to go after a true #1 receiver as well.
(03-12-2022, 03:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said. He was hurt. He only played 12 games and had a lingering hamstring injury. You're not gonna be 100% with a lingering hamstring injury.
Excuses. If he was hurt that bad, he should've sat out instead of playing like hot garbage. A healthy WR on the field would've given them a better chance to win.
No it wouldn't. A 60% A Rob is better than any Bears WR not named Mooney. I like if my player is banged up and goes out there and plays to give his team a chance. Not to mention he didn't have a QB. Hopefully we get ARob then you can cry about it lol
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