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So we're not going in on A Rob, are we? That makes me a bit sad.

(03-15-2022, 09:48 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 09:40 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, there is. You sign people based on what they have done. Not what they might do.

This is a horrible take.  I don’t give a [BLEEP] what a player did.  I care about what they’re going to do

/Torry Holt waves

(03-15-2022, 10:22 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 09:48 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]This is a horrible take.  I don’t give a [BLEEP] what a player did.  I care about what they’re going to do

/Torry Holt waves

Hiiiiii

(03-15-2022, 09:52 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 09:48 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]This is a horrible take.  I don’t give a [BLEEP] what a player did.  I care about what they’re going to do

Are you Nostradamus? Can you see the future? If not, you're just guessing. Not a good way to build a team.

It's all educated guessing. across the board. There's no telling that a guy doesn't loaf his way through his fat contract regardless of how great he looked at his last stop (Aaron Ross,Who Douglas) or that they get hurt before they even take a snap (Laurent Robinson).

(03-15-2022, 10:10 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-14-2022, 11:00 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]There's a $20 million signing bonus plus $1.5 million in 2022 salary and $15.5 million in 2023.  All of that is guaranteed.  That is the $37 million that they quote.  I do feel this quote is misleading.  Well no, you never owe a player any money after you cut them.  The Jaguars would have $10 million in dead cap.  However, that is reflected within the $37 million figure that he quotes.  Basically, the lowest possible we could spend over two years is $37 million.  However, that's the minimum.  If he's healthy, he'll get a $500K roster bonus and a $500K workout bonus each year.  He's also eligible for up to $3 million per year in bonuses.  As such, the amount we owe if we cut him after two years will be between $37 million and $45 million or somewhere between $18.5 million and $22.5 million per year.

Why didn't we just trade for Amari Cooper?

we tried and our offer was better then the browns but he refused to play for jax that is the reason we did not get him'

Not true. This isn't free agency. He didn't get to pick his team. Cooper didn't have a no trade clause. He had no say in where he went. Dallas took the best offer they had.

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(03-15-2022, 10:11 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]This is one good step at least. 25m+ on off ball linebackers was downright ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...7731936263

We couldn't even trade him for a late round pick? Did we even try? I find this hard to believe. There are a bunch of 4-3 teams that he could become an instant starter.

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(03-15-2022, 10:15 AM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 10:13 AM)JagSwag Wrote: [ -> ]Sooo, have they another linebacker in mind if they’re releasing Jack?

Bring Wilson back for half of jacks contract again maybe

No. Find a thumper in the draft or use the savings to go after Bobby Wagner.

(03-15-2022, 10:09 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 10:04 AM)Jags@dajugular Wrote: [ -> ]Complain if we do complain if we don't I'm just glad we did more than last year.

How about instead of doing too little or doing too much, we just wish that they did it right.

There may be some universe where paying two hundred and twenty five million dollars to a guard, nose tackle, off ball linebacker, and a slot receiver makes sense...but it is not this universe.

Last year there was many on this board crying about keeping Cam at left tackle and bashing his play. Well he not only played the position better than anyone gave him credit for but only gave up one sack during the season. Know one knows how the players signed will help this team this season. How about waiting to see how it all washes out before bashing the teams free agent moves. If we have an 8 and 8 or better season record it will be money well spent. Wins and loses will determine if the teams free agent signings was successful.  It was well known that the Jaguars would have to pay a higher price for free agents to come to a team with so few wins during the last two seasons. If the team refused to sign players because the price was two high, everyone would [BLEEP] that the team did nothing in free agency when they had so much cap money.  Amari Cooper refused to play in Jax so the cowboys had to trade with the Browns for less compensation. That confirmed that players want to go to winning teams, not teams with losing records like the Jags. The Jags had to pay more then one might think they should have for players to bring players to Jacksonville.

Seems like we are about to cut another longtime veteran in addition to Jack.
I think it's Linder.

(03-15-2022, 10:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 10:10 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]we tried and our offer was better then the browns but he refused to play for jax that is the reason we did not get him'

Not true. This isn't free agency. He didn't get to pick his team. Cooper didn't have a no trade clause. He had no say in where he went. Dallas took the best offer they had.

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(03-15-2022, 10:11 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]This is one good step at least. 25m+ on off ball linebackers was downright ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...7731936263

We couldn't even trade him for a late round pick? Did we even try? I find this hard to believe. There are a bunch of 4-3 teams that he could become an instant starter.

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(03-15-2022, 10:15 AM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]Bring Wilson back for half of jacks contract again maybe

No. Find a thumper in the draft or use the savings to go after Bobby Wagner.

Thats not what was the rumor about not wanting to play for Jax .Regardless of his contract he could have made it known to Dallas that he would sit out instead of playing for the Jaguars and Dallas in cap hell need to trade so they were willing to take less for him.

(03-15-2022, 10:54 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 10:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Not true. This isn't free agency. He didn't get to pick his team. Cooper didn't have a no trade clause. He had no say in where he went. Dallas took the best offer they had.

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We couldn't even trade him for a late round pick? Did we even try? I find this hard to believe. There are a bunch of 4-3 teams that he could become an instant starter.

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No. Find a thumper in the draft or use the savings to go after Bobby Wagner.

Thats not what was the rumor about not wanting to play for Jax .Regardless of his contract he could have made it known to Dallas that he would sit out instead of playing for the Jaguars and Dallas in cap hell need to trade so they were willing to take less for him.

That's not how trades work. Rumors are just that, rumors that people make up.

(03-15-2022, 10:45 AM)irontrooper83 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like we are about to cut another longtime veteran in addition  to Jack.
I think it's Linder.

Good. Get that old, dead weight outta here.

This is how you change culture!

I wanted Jack and Linder gone. I also want Jenkins and Marvin Jones gone.

(03-15-2022, 10:45 AM)irontrooper83 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like we are about to cut another longtime veteran in addition  to Jack.
I think it's Linder.

Trevor likes Shatley too.

Linder was never healthy, he carries zero dead money and will save 10 mill against the cap.

Rumor is they're trying to get Darious Williams.

(03-15-2022, 10:57 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 10:54 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]Thats not what was the rumor about not wanting to play for Jax .Regardless of his contract he could have made it known to Dallas that he would sit out instead of playing for the Jaguars and Dallas in cap hell need to trade so they were willing to take less for him.

That's not how trades work. Rumors are just that, rumors that people make up.

Ok so post the facts that you have to dispute the rumors that cooper refused to play for the Jags, or is this just your opinion with no facts to back it up.  At this point I don't think anyone can dispute or confirm the fact that Cooper did or didn't refuse to play for the Jags.

(03-15-2022, 11:06 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 10:57 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That's not how trades work. Rumors are just that, rumors that people make up.

Ok so post the facts that you have to dispute the rumors that cooper refused to play for the Jags, or is this just your opinion with no facts to back it up.  At this point I don't think anyone can dispute or confirm the fact that Cooper did or didn't refuse to play for the Jags.

The facts are, he has no say in where he goes unless he had a no trade clause, which he didn't. Case closed.

(03-15-2022, 10:35 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 09:52 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Are you Nostradamus? Can you see the future? If not, you're just guessing. Not a good way to build a team.

It's all educated guessing. across the board. There's no telling that a guy doesn't loaf his way through his fat contract regardless of how great he looked at his last stop (Aaron Ross,Who Douglas) or that they get hurt before they even take a snap (Laurent Robinson).

Clint Session as well. Dude was stout along with Poz before he got concussed

(03-15-2022, 11:02 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 10:45 AM)irontrooper83 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like we are about to cut another longtime veteran in addition  to Jack.
I think it's Linder.

Trevor likes Shatley too.

Linder was never healthy, he carries zero dead money and will save 10 mill against the cap.

Rumor is they're trying to get Darious Williams.

Didn't see a difference when Shatley was in there instead of Linder tbh. Also, Linder is always missing games.

(03-15-2022, 11:08 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 11:06 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok so post the facts that you have to dispute the rumors that cooper refused to play for the Jags, or is this just your opinion with no facts to back it up.  At this point I don't think anyone can dispute or confirm the fact that Cooper did or didn't refuse to play for the Jags.

The facts are, he has no say in where he goes unless he had a no trade clause, which he didn't. Case closed.

So he could not refuse to play this season and sit out the year if they tried to trade him to Jax?

(03-15-2022, 11:06 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 10:57 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That's not how trades work. Rumors are just that, rumors that people make up.

Ok so post the facts that you have to dispute the rumors that cooper refused to play for the Jags, or is this just your opinion with no facts to back it up.  At this point I don't think anyone can dispute or confirm the fact that Cooper did or didn't refuse to play for the Jags.

I saw a couple of people say that Cooper preferred not coming to Jax, I saw like a dozen tweets saying that the Browns deal was chosen because they were the only team that was willing to pay the whole contract. Also, they have said basically the same about the Collins contract.

It definitely could have been partly because Cooper didn't want to come here, but the large majority of the evidence points to Baalke simply not wanting to pay all of Coopers (and Collins) current contract.

(03-15-2022, 11:08 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 11:06 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok so post the facts that you have to dispute the rumors that cooper refused to play for the Jags, or is this just your opinion with no facts to back it up.  At this point I don't think anyone can dispute or confirm the fact that Cooper did or didn't refuse to play for the Jags.

The facts are, he has no say in where he goes unless he had a no trade clause, which he didn't. Case closed.

If a player says "I'll sit out before I play for [insert team of choice here]", do you think that team is still all in on their offer, no matter how sweet?

You're right that players without a no-trade clause can't veto a trade outright, but they still do have a say in the deal, albeit a minor one that is gonna smack them square in the wallet.

(03-15-2022, 11:02 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-15-2022, 10:45 AM)irontrooper83 Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like we are about to cut another longtime veteran in addition  to Jack.
I think it's Linder.

Trevor likes Shatley too.

Linder was never healthy, he carries zero dead money and will save 10 mill against the cap.

Rumor is they're trying to get Darious Williams.

Like I said when we re-signed Shatley, I have a feeling he'll be our starter this year.

Looks like Chark is gone . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBakpAF7llI