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(03-17-2022, 03:44 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2022, 03:31 PM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]Yes please.

Pulling Cam's tag right now would be bad for our reputation with the players, since we are currently engaged in negotiations with Cam for a long term extension.

Cam has the right to sign the tag, and continue to negotiate a long term extension (until I believe July).  Cam, thus far, has decided not to sign the tag.  If the team does not feel the 2 sides are close to a deal, and the player has not signed the tag, the team can pull the tag.  If Cam does not wish to play on the tag, he may wish to have the Jags rescind the tag, allowing him to find another team while it is still early in free agency.  I think you are right if they wait longer into the free agency period when money has dried up.

Does anyone one think Cam has any trade value now or later if he signs the tag and we do get a replacement?

(03-17-2022, 07:15 PM)ShivanWurm Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone one think Cam has any trade value now or later if he signs the tag and we do get a replacement?

Yes

Teams always need tackles and it seems like a couple starting tackles get season ending injuries in preseason or early in the reg season every year. 

His value would be worth legit picks to one of those teams especially

Maybe we can fleece the Packers in a Laviska trade, there wr corp is hurting

(03-17-2022, 07:15 PM)ShivanWurm Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone one think Cam has any trade value now or later if he signs the tag and we do get a replacement?

for his price tag and expiration date?

it would require some desperation for a team to trade a day 2 pick. Don't forget that the team getting a replacement will also reduce our bargaining chips - just like with Collins, teams will know the team doesn't have a lot to sell the deal and may just wait till he is released.

I kinda want the team to sign him long-term now, just to see this place go full-on pants-on-head crazy.

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(03-17-2022, 08:39 PM)Adub28 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we can fleece the Packers in a Laviska trade, there wr corp is hurting

We gonna have to jump them at a minimum if we want one of the big name WR in this darft.

(03-17-2022, 04:12 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2022, 03:54 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Reputation or not, it would make our O-Line better by 2 fold. Isn't that what the goal is, to make this team better?

I think if you're in the middle of negotiating a long term deal, and, assuming you're making progress and there isn't an impasse, all of a sudden you just walk away, the players and their agents will remember that.  Not a good look.  If Trent Baalke wants to rehabilitate his reputation around the league, that would not be a good thing to do.

Sure, it would be tempting, but you have to deal with people on an above-board and straightforward basis.  A good reputation is important if you want people to negotiate contracts with you.

Pulling a tag or walking away from a deal if a better player comes available doesn't hurt your reputation.

It means you know how to run a football team.

This is a business and everyone in it, including the players, knows it.

If a player gets butthurt over that, they aren't meant for professional sports.

We have one thread over run with comments saying agents won’t work with baalke and will keep players away and he’s a huge problem, then we have this thread full of the same people wanting baalke to screw a player over and rub up an agent the wrong way.
Arguing both of these points is why fans think they know better than gms when in reality they’re clueless

(03-18-2022, 08:50 AM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]We have one thread over run with comments saying agents won’t work with baalke and will keep players away and he’s a huge problem, then we have this thread full of the same people wanting baalke to screw a player over and rub up an agent the wrong way.
Arguing both of these points is why fans think they know better than gms when in reality they’re clueless

How is pulling the franchise tag screwing Cam Robinson over?  If Cam wants to play on the tag, he could sign it right now.  He could have signed it 10 days ago.  If he did, the Jaguars wouldn't have the option to rescind it.  I think he and his agent would be happy if the tag was removed as he would be free to negotiate with any other team and would likely get a lucrative long term deal.

(03-18-2022, 09:16 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2022, 08:50 AM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]We have one thread over run with comments saying agents won’t work with baalke and will keep players away and he’s a huge problem, then we have this thread full of the same people wanting baalke to screw a player over and rub up an agent the wrong way.
Arguing both of these points is why fans think they know better than gms when in reality they’re clueless

How is pulling the franchise tag screwing Cam Robinson over?  If Cam wants to play on the tag, he could sign it right now.  He could have signed it 10 days ago.  If he did, the Jaguars wouldn't have the option to rescind it.  I think he and his agent would be happy if the tag was removed as he would be free to negotiate with any other team and would likely get a lucrative long term deal.

If the reports are true that the team is actively trying to negotiate a long term deal with Cam, then pulling the tag prematurely is unwise. It's their safety net in case they don't have their tackle positions outfitted properly.
If both sides have decided to move on - that's a different story. I don't think we're there yet. 

Cam not signing could very likely just be a very basic negotiating tactic to land a long term contract with the Jags. 

Unless the Jags are on the verge of signing a clear replacement at OT - there is no point in rescinding the tag right now.

If someone better is available, then sign them. This is a business, not a charity.

(03-18-2022, 08:50 AM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]We have one thread over run with comments saying agents won’t work with baalke and will keep players away and he’s a huge problem, then we have this thread full of the same people wanting baalke to screw a player over and rub up an agent the wrong way.
Arguing both of these points is why fans think they know better than gms when in reality they’re clueless

If this team is negotiating a long term deal with Robinson, it just confirms what an incompetent piece of trash Baalke really is. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find many Jaguars' fans who want Robinson for the future. The reason many of us wanted to tag him, certainly isn't because he's good. It's because he was the best of a bad situation in the short term. Robinson has done nothing to merit a long term deal. He's was just better than any of our options at the time. If it is true that Baalke is trying to extend him, it just confirms every negative thing I've ever thought about our current GM.

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(03-18-2022, 09:36 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]If someone better is available, then sign them. This is a business, not a charity.

Agreed.

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(03-18-2022, 09:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2022, 09:16 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]How is pulling the franchise tag screwing Cam Robinson over?  If Cam wants to play on the tag, he could sign it right now.  He could have signed it 10 days ago.  If he did, the Jaguars wouldn't have the option to rescind it.  I think he and his agent would be happy if the tag was removed as he would be free to negotiate with any other team and would likely get a lucrative long term deal.

If the reports are true that the team is actively trying to negotiate a long term deal with Cam, then pulling the tag prematurely is unwise. It's their safety net in case they don't have their tackle positions outfitted properly.
If both sides have decided to move on - that's a different story. I don't think we're there yet. 

Cam not signing could very likely just be a very basic negotiating tactic to land a long term contract with the Jags. 

Unless the Jags are on the verge of signing a clear replacement at OT - there is no point in rescinding the tag right now.

Even entertaining the thought of signing Cam Robinson to a long term deal, is unwise.

(03-18-2022, 09:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2022, 08:50 AM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]We have one thread over run with comments saying agents won’t work with baalke and will keep players away and he’s a huge problem, then we have this thread full of the same people wanting baalke to screw a player over and rub up an agent the wrong way.
Arguing both of these points is why fans think they know better than gms when in reality they’re clueless

If this team is negotiating a long term deal with Robinson, it just confirms what an incompetent piece of trash Baalke really is. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find many Jaguars' fans who want Robinson for the future. The reason many of us wanted to tag him, certainly isn't because he's good. It's because he was the best of a bad situation in the short term. Robinson has done nothing to merit a long term deal. He's was just better than any of our options at the time. If it is true that Baalke is trying to extend him, it just confirms every negative thing I've ever thought about our current GM.

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(03-18-2022, 09:36 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]If someone better is available, then sign them. This is a business, not a charity.

Agreed.

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(03-18-2022, 09:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If the reports are true that the team is actively trying to negotiate a long term deal with Cam, then pulling the tag prematurely is unwise. It's their safety net in case they don't have their tackle positions outfitted properly.
If both sides have decided to move on - that's a different story. I don't think we're there yet. 

Cam not signing could very likely just be a very basic negotiating tactic to land a long term contract with the Jags. 

Unless the Jags are on the verge of signing a clear replacement at OT - there is no point in rescinding the tag right now.

Even entertaining the thought of signing Cam Robinson to a long term deal, is unwise.

There are lots of opinions out there on Cam covering a wide range of faith in his ability. 

My statement had nothing to do with that. A representative of the team has said they are negotiating with him. 
Like it or not - that is happening. 

All I know is he's a better tackle than Taylor and if they aren't going to sign an OT or draft one early, then keeping Cam around is better than not keeping Cam around. 

However it shakes out with positioning left or right - we need two competent starting tackles on this roster. 
Right now we have Walker Little,  a couple of back-up level guys, and a dangling Cam Robinson uncommitted either way. 
Something has to get done - and Cam Robinson is a safety net I can hold my nose and live with if something better can't happen.

(03-18-2022, 10:07 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2022, 09:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If this team is negotiating a long term deal with Robinson, it just confirms what an incompetent piece of trash Baalke really is. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find many Jaguars' fans who want Robinson for the future. The reason many of us wanted to tag him, certainly isn't because he's good. It's because he was the best of a bad situation in the short term. Robinson has done nothing to merit a long term deal. He's was just better than any of our options at the time. If it is true that Baalke is trying to extend him, it just confirms every negative thing I've ever thought about our current GM.

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Agreed.

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Even entertaining the thought of signing Cam Robinson to a long term deal, is unwise.

There are lots of opinions out there on Cam covering a wide range of faith in his ability. 

My statement had nothing to do with that. A representative of the team has said they are negotiating with him. 
Like it or not - that is happening. 

All I know is he's a better tackle than Taylor and if they aren't going to sign an OT or draft one early, then keeping Cam around is better than not keeping Cam around. 

However it shakes out with positioning left or right - we need two competent starting tackles on this roster. 
Right now we have Walker Little,  a couple of back-up level guys, and a dangling Cam Robinson uncommitted either way. 
Something has to get done - and Cam Robinson is a safety net I can hold my nose and live with if something better can't happen.

Saying Cam is better than Taylor is setting the bar very, very low, but I agree. Keeping Cam is better than not having him.......... for now or unless we can upgrade with La'el Collins. 

I totally agree. If we aren't gonna sign Collins, then Robinson is our best option for 2022. With that said, he's only good enough in the short term. He's certainly not good enough to want to keep beyond 2022.

Collins is visiting with the bengals today I think it’s fair to say we don’t have a chance signing him.

Also regarding cam I never said he should be signed long term, but saying signing him long term is terrible business might be wrong, how do we know that long term they aren’t trying to convince him to shift to right tackle, he would probably be one of the top 10 right tackles in the league seems his skill set is set up for that.

Might be the case it might not be. But I’ve always thought a forum should be discussions and not saying everyone else’s opinion is wrong. Not every move we don’t agree with is terrible. Go back last year and dig up agnews thread god knows 99% of the bored was moaning when they saw that contract

If cam turns out to be a one year rental, then we move Little to Lt and draft a RT next year. I have a feeling little is going to beat cam out for a left tackle anyway this year.

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Though too small of a sample set to draw vast conclusions, to me it does not seem to be a coincidence that two out of the three games Little started resulted in victories, where as we only won a single game with cam Robinson starting the entire year. Obviously lots of factors go into that, but it’s not like Cam Robinson was the difference maker compared to little.

Dilla seems to be hinting at us trying to make one more significant offensive move.

At the moment, Cam signing the tag is our least risky option for the season as far as the oline is concerned. To me that means Little battles Taylor for RT but still leaves LG unsolved. All that said, if Cam does not sign Little is the LT and Taylor is the RT. Period. Baalke had high praise for Cam and also spoke glowingly of Taylor. Is that GM equivalent of coach speak? No doubt to an extent. This all leads me to think they are not getting a tackle high in the draft. In fact, I don't see them taking an offensive lineman until 2nd pick of the 3rd round or later. The first three picks will be Edge followed by WR or ILB but not sold on the order other than Hutch at #1. I definitely don't see a safety before 6th round. 3RD 4TH and 5TH rounds will be TE , IOL, and LB/ Dline in no particular order. JMO

(03-18-2022, 11:50 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Dilla seems to be hinting at us trying to make one more significant offensive move.

I'm down. MVS?

(03-18-2022, 11:58 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2022, 11:50 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Dilla seems to be hinting at us trying to make one more significant offensive move.

I'm down. MVS?

I'm gonna guess Will Fuller.