(03-17-2022, 03:31 PM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 01:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]La'El Collins released.
Sign Collins. Pull Cams tag.
Little- Linder- Shatley- Scherff- Collins
Yes please.
Pulling Cam's tag right now would be bad for our reputation with the players, since we are currently engaged in negotiations with Cam for a long term extension.
(03-17-2022, 03:42 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 01:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]La'El Collins released.
Sign Collins. Pull Cams tag.
Little- Linder- Shatley- Scherff- Collins
Doesn't matter what we want, Baalke thinks Cam and Jawaan is a very good tackle tandem. We're screwed until this weird blind spot for our tackle position is overcome.
Also, I've seen like 4 blue checkmarks predict Collins goes to the Bengals, 1 that said it was between the Bengals and Pats, and I haven't seen anyone predict anywhere else.
I have seen the same and before this week would have expected it. Now after this week who knows?
(03-17-2022, 03:44 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 03:31 PM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]Yes please.
Pulling Cam's tag right now would be bad for our reputation with the players, since we are currently engaged in negotiations with Cam for a long term extension.
Reputation or not, it would make our O-Line better by 2 fold. Isn't that what the goal is, to make this team better?
(03-17-2022, 03:54 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 03:44 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Pulling Cam's tag right now would be bad for our reputation with the players, since we are currently engaged in negotiations with Cam for a long term extension.
Reputation or not, it would make our O-Line better by 2 fold. Isn't that what the goal is, to make this team better?
I think if you're in the middle of negotiating a long term deal, and, assuming you're making progress and there isn't an impasse, all of a sudden you just walk away, the players and their agents will remember that. Not a good look. If Trent Baalke wants to rehabilitate his reputation around the league, that would not be a good thing to do.
Sure, it would be tempting, but you have to deal with people on an above-board and straightforward basis. A good reputation is important if you want people to negotiate contracts with you.
(03-17-2022, 03:42 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 01:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]La'El Collins released.
Sign Collins. Pull Cams tag.
Little- Linder- Shatley- Scherff- Collins
Doesn't matter what we want, Baalke thinks Cam and Jawaan is a very good tackle tandem. We're screwed until this weird blind spot for our tackle position is overcome.
Also, I've seen like 4 blue checkmarks predict Collins goes to the Bengals, 1 that said it was between the Bengals and Pats, and I haven't seen anyone predict anywhere else.
I would like people to accept the bolded more. The team and its owner and GM are in charge. If they tell us they like certain players then it's not really worth discussing why they should be cut or who to replace them with. Sure, feel free in a fantasy post but not in any serious discussion.
(03-17-2022, 04:23 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 03:42 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't matter what we want, Baalke thinks Cam and Jawaan is a very good tackle tandem. We're screwed until this weird blind spot for our tackle position is overcome.
Also, I've seen like 4 blue checkmarks predict Collins goes to the Bengals, 1 that said it was between the Bengals and Pats, and I haven't seen anyone predict anywhere else.
I would like people to accept the bolded more. The team and its owner and GM are in charge. If they tell us they like certain players then it's not really worth discussing why they should be cut or who to replace them with. Sure, feel free in a fantasy post but not in any serious discussion.
So - anytime we disagree with the ownership or management of the football team this board was created to discuss...
... we shouldn't discuss that?
Why are we even here?
Bruh, if you aren't capable of wading through an endless swamp of horribly reasoned opinions on every conceivable topic relating to this football team, you're in the wrong place.
(03-17-2022, 04:23 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 03:42 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't matter what we want, Baalke thinks Cam and Jawaan is a very good tackle tandem. We're screwed until this weird blind spot for our tackle position is overcome.
Also, I've seen like 4 blue checkmarks predict Collins goes to the Bengals, 1 that said it was between the Bengals and Pats, and I haven't seen anyone predict anywhere else.
I would like people to accept the bolded more. The team and its owner and GM are in charge. If they tell us they like certain players then it's not really worth discussing why they should be cut or who to replace them with. Sure, feel free in a fantasy post but not in any serious discussion.
Also does anyone really expect a general manager to say my left and right tackle suck they need upgrading immediately if we’re to stand a chance. Whether we role with Taylor or not, no coach or gm should publicly say they are not good enough unless you are very confident a replacement is coming
(03-17-2022, 04:12 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 03:54 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Reputation or not, it would make our O-Line better by 2 fold. Isn't that what the goal is, to make this team better?
I think if you're in the middle of negotiating a long term deal, and, assuming you're making progress and there isn't an impasse, all of a sudden you just walk away, the players and their agents will remember that. Not a good look. If Trent Baalke wants to rehabilitate his reputation around the league, that would not be a good thing to do.
Sure, it would be tempting, but you have to deal with people on an above-board and straightforward basis. A good reputation is important if you want people to negotiate contracts with you.
Keeping a far inferior product is certainly not going to help his reputation with the fans. Even the vast majority of us who wanted to tag Robinson certainly didn't want him signed long term. The guy is a band-aid at best. He's just the best of a bad situation, because this OT draft class is so bad. If he signs Robinson long term, my hatred for Baalke will only grow.
(03-17-2022, 04:23 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 03:42 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't matter what we want, Baalke thinks Cam and Jawaan is a very good tackle tandem. We're screwed until this weird blind spot for our tackle position is overcome.
Also, I've seen like 4 blue checkmarks predict Collins goes to the Bengals, 1 that said it was between the Bengals and Pats, and I haven't seen anyone predict anywhere else.
I would like people to accept the bolded more. The team and its owner and GM are in charge. If they tell us they like certain players then it's not really worth discussing why they should be cut or who to replace them with. Sure, feel free in a fantasy post but not in any serious discussion.
I think we all accept that, but that doesn't mean we can't voice our displeasure when we see this team making bad moves. For God's sake, we have had 1 winning season since 2007. Those of us who have been loyal fans since the very first game of the team's existence have earned the right to voice our opinions and we will continue to do so. We're tired of the losing!
Sure, but it helps to be realistic. I've read several posts where it's just assumed that either Little or Cam will be moved to RT: Now the GM has said he likes Taylor at RT so he's the starter until something else happens. They clearly didn't upgrade the position in FA and they refused to say where Little will be playing.
The options right now at RT are Taylor or Evan Neal.
(03-17-2022, 05:09 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, but it helps to be realistic. I've read several posts where it's just assumed that either Little or Cam will be moved to RT: Now the GM has said he likes Taylor at RT so he's the starter until something else happens. They clearly didn't upgrade the position in FA and they refused to say where Little will be playing.
The options right now at RT are Taylor or Evan Neal.
Dude.
Stop.
GMs don't decide who starts and where they line up. When Pederson comments on starting positioning along the OL in August we'll know something. We don't know what they plan to do right now.
(03-17-2022, 05:09 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, but it helps to be realistic. I've read several posts where it's just assumed that either Little or Cam will be moved to RT: Now the GM has said he likes Taylor at RT so he's the starter until something else happens. They clearly didn't upgrade the position in FA and they refused to say where Little will be playing.
The options right now at RT are Taylor or Evan Neal.
You do realize that the GM doesn't decide who starts and who sits or who plays what position? That is not his job. That is up to the Head Coach and Pederson has not commented. All options are open until Pederson makes the final decision.
(03-17-2022, 05:15 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 05:09 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, but it helps to be realistic. I've read several posts where it's just assumed that either Little or Cam will be moved to RT: Now the GM has said he likes Taylor at RT so he's the starter until something else happens. They clearly didn't upgrade the position in FA and they refused to say where Little will be playing.
The options right now at RT are Taylor or Evan Neal.
You do realize that the GM doesn't decide who starts and who sits or who plays what position? That is not his job. That is up to the Head Coach and Pederson has not commented. All options are open until Pederson makes the final decision.
If you think they're not aligned then that is of course ok. But again, the realistic alternative to Taylor is Neal.
(03-17-2022, 05:23 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 05:15 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize that the GM doesn't decide who starts and who sits or who plays what position? That is not his job. That is up to the Head Coach and Pederson has not commented. All options are open until Pederson makes the final decision.
If you think they're not aligned then that is of course ok. But again, the realistic alternative to Taylor is Neal.
The realistic alternative to Taylor is any Tackle on the roster that Doug wants to start at RT.
This Taylor or Neal only narrative is horse [BLEEP]
(03-17-2022, 05:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 05:23 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]If you think they're not aligned then that is of course ok. But again, the realistic alternative to Taylor is Neal.
The realistic alternative to Taylor is any Tackle on the roster that Doug wants to start at RT.
This Taylor or Neal only narrative is horse [BLEEP]
Ok, who's available? Why haven't they signed anyone? The only other available tackle is Will Richardson.
(03-17-2022, 05:23 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 05:15 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize that the GM doesn't decide who starts and who sits or who plays what position? That is not his job. That is up to the Head Coach and Pederson has not commented. All options are open until Pederson makes the final decision.
If you think they're not aligned then that is of course ok. But again, the realistic alternative to Taylor is Neal.
No, the realistic option is that either Robinson or Little moves to RT. Most likely Little.
(03-17-2022, 05:42 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 05:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The realistic alternative to Taylor is any Tackle on the roster that Doug wants to start at RT.
This Taylor or Neal only narrative is horse [BLEEP]
Ok, who's available? Why haven't they signed anyone? The only other available tackle is Will Richardson.
Why are you totally dismissing Little as an option?
(03-17-2022, 05:42 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 05:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The realistic alternative to Taylor is any Tackle on the roster that Doug wants to start at RT.
This Taylor or Neal only narrative is horse [BLEEP]
Ok, who's available? Why haven't they signed anyone? The only other available tackle is Will Richardson.
LOL
It's March 17, guy.
Who is available to play RT is going to change between now and the time they have to make a decision on who starts where.
(03-17-2022, 05:48 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 05:23 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]If you think they're not aligned then that is of course ok. But again, the realistic alternative to Taylor is Neal.
No, the realistic option is that either Robinson or Little moves to RT. Most likely Little.
(03-17-2022, 05:42 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, who's available? Why haven't they signed anyone? The only other available tackle is Will Richardson.
Why are you totally dismissing Little as an option?
I'm not dismissing him. The team is. You know it was Little that Baalke suggested could play guard, not Taylor.
(03-17-2022, 06:07 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 05:48 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]No, the realistic option is that either Robinson or Little moves to RT. Most likely Little.
Why are you totally dismissing Little as an option?
I'm not dismissing him. The team is. You know it was Little that Baalke suggested could play guard, not Taylor.
Baalke is not in charge of what position a guy will play. That is Pederson's job. Baalke is just overstepping his boundaries with his coaching staff just like he did in San Francisco. When Pederson makes a decision on the matter then we will know. Until then, Baalke is just running his mouth about things he has no jurisdiction over.
(03-17-2022, 06:13 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 06:07 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not dismissing him. The team is. You know it was Little that Baalke suggested could play guard, not Taylor.
Baalke is not in charge of what position a guy will play. That is Pederson's job. Baalke is just overstepping his boundaries with his coaching staff just like he did in San Francisco. When Pederson makes a decision on the matter then we will know. Until then, Baalke is just running his mouth about things he has no jurisdiction over.
I already commented that you can believe they're not aligned if you wish.
It's good that you agree that until the team communicates something else it's Cam and Taylor who are the starters.
(03-17-2022, 06:13 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2022, 06:07 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not dismissing him. The team is. You know it was Little that Baalke suggested could play guard, not Taylor.
Baalke is not in charge of what position a guy will play. That is Pederson's job. Baalke is just overstepping his boundaries with his coaching staff just like he did in San Francisco. When Pederson makes a decision on the matter then we will know. Until then, Baalke is just running his mouth about things he has no jurisdiction over.
I already commented that you can believe they're not aligned if you wish.
It's good that you agree that until the team communicates something else it's Cam and Taylor who are the starters.
I wonder how Little would do at LG. Could be All Pro potential