(03-15-2022, 06:46 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone know how much cap space we have left after these signings? Could we still add a nickel corner?
On an AAV level we are way in the negative cap space now, but we backloaded everything so for this year we can still sign Darious Williams for example. Gonna have to start playing cap gymnastics next year.
(03-15-2022, 08:56 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 08:51 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]We should have resigned DJ instead of Zay.
They absolutely should have done that but it looks like he didn't want to play here. The problem was not locking him up before he hit FA and then giving Cam the tag instead of Chark.
Tag Chark. Still sign Kirk. Trade for Collins. Start Walker Little at LT.
Did he not want to play here or did we only offer a 1 year 7M deal as Dilla said? I have a strong feeling we could have signed him if we offered something fair.
(03-15-2022, 09:16 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 06:46 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone know how much cap space we have left after these signings? Could we still add a nickel corner?
On an AAV level we are way in the negative cap space now, but we backloaded everything so for this year we can still sign Darious Williams for example. Gonna have to start playing cap gymnastics next year.
I think I read that releasing Linder, griffen, Jenkins and Jack after this season will save over 40 million for next years cap plus it’ll go up another 10-20 million, I don’t think it’ll be a problem
https://twitter.com/mikeclaynfl/status/1...69667?s=21
Something else to watch for
(03-14-2022, 11:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022, 09:41 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]Yall were wishing for Lockett who is 5"10, 182 lb...but you're pausing for Kirk 5"11, 200 lb?
He's 200 lbs (so he's stronger than Chark). Who knows he may be a unconventional #1.
What does size have to do with anything?
(03-14-2022, 10:22 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]You pay for potential in Free Agency, not for what someone has already done.
That is a terrible and risky way of trying to build a team.
Of course it is, but there really aren't many other options of quickly reseting a team. "Doing it the right way" takes time and as many things going right as this way.
Again, don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
(03-14-2022, 06:14 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022, 03:59 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I’d still rather not for that money but he’s here now so I hope he lives up to it. I always said he a good slot WR. Pay attention! A lot of money for a slot WR
The jags have to pay more than other clubs because we’re not a club that players are looking to come to. So you’re gonna have to pay free agents more to come to Jacksonville. But we didn’t pay that much more than he would’ve gotten from another club actually so it’s a good signing
this may have been the case with Gabbert under center or Gus Bradley calling the shots.
Every club has to pay more because for any of these day 1 guys there's four other clubs willing to pay it if you aren't.
(03-14-2022, 06:23 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022, 06:01 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Oh lord. Nobody underpays in free agency. Guys in the league generally salivate at the thought of hitting the open market for this very reason. We must rationalize new info to fit the narrative though, right? I mean it was originally "nobody likes Baalke or wants to work for him or play for his team" to now it's "well Baalke had to have a wreath of $100,000 denominated dollar bills around his neck for anyone to even look at him".
You do take some abuse here that you shouldn't, but you kind of ask for it sometimes with this type of [BLEEP].
Are you blind, deaf or both? Outside of the Jaguars organization we are looked at as a clown show. This is a fanbase just in week 17 who was reported on national news demanding our current GM get fired. We just went through a National debacle of a high profile head coach since about week 3. This has been the worst team in the past decade. If your sitting here with a straight face trying to say that makes no matter to free agency then I have to say your crazy.
to someone looking for a ring next season, it might. Otherwise, as long as the checks clear, a lot of guys are going to want to be here.
You act like dysfunction don't happen anywhere else. Cripes, take a look at Seattle, Houston, Miami - those places are in much worse shape than we are, and there's probably others too (Chicago!!).
I'm sitting at home saying for most of the FA (especially the young guys like we've been targeting), the dollars have more influence than the setting.
(03-15-2022, 09:27 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022, 11:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]What does size have to do with anything?
That is a terrible and risky way of trying to build a team.
Of course it is, but there really aren't many other options of quickly reseting a team. "Doing it the right way" takes time and as many things going right as this way.
Again, don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Yes, there is. You sign people based on what they have done. Not what they might do.
(03-15-2022, 09:40 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 09:27 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Of course it is, but there really aren't many other options of quickly reseting a team. "Doing it the right way" takes time and as many things going right as this way.
Again, don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Yes, there is. You sign people based on what they have done. Not what they might do.
This is a horrible take. I don’t give a [BLEEP] what a player did. I care about what they’re going to do
(03-14-2022, 06:56 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Love the Scherff signing.
Christian Kirks contract makes me want to puke. 18m a year with incentives can be up to 21m/year lmao and people were complaining about amari cooper.
"WR Christian Kirk: Signing a four-year, $72 million contract that has a max value of $84 million. (Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero)"
just to point this out, never pay attention to the total value, it's rare that a guy sees it through to the end of the contract. Either they don't play up to the figure and end up released once the dead money hit runs out, or if they outplay the deal they'll hold out and renegotiate a bigger deal down the road.
Pay attention to the signing bonus, guaranteed money, and how the salary is structured and you'll get a better idea of whether the deal is good or bad.
For example, Kirk's deal has no guarantee after the second year. At that point, if he's no good, we eat $10M and walk away, leaving 33M in salary and bonuses behind. That's not bad, and gives Kirk all the motivation to keep his performance up if he wants to keep raking in the cash.
Scherff's deal is structured almost the exact same - after 2 years, if it ain't working out, we eat a little amortization and walk away with no other guarantees on our books.
(03-14-2022, 07:04 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I just woke up so I have no idea if anyone noticed this but Taven Bryans signed with the Browns lolol
addition by subtraction!
I'll have to warn my BiL back home, I don't expect him to be anything more than rotation, though.
(03-15-2022, 09:49 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022, 06:56 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Love the Scherff signing.
Christian Kirks contract makes me want to puke. 18m a year with incentives can be up to 21m/year lmao and people were complaining about amari cooper.
"WR Christian Kirk: Signing a four-year, $72 million contract that has a max value of $84 million. (Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero)"
just to point this out, never pay attention to the total value, it's rare that a guy sees it through to the end of the contract. Either they don't play up to the figure and end up released once the dead money hit runs out, or if they outplay the deal they'll hold out and renegotiate a bigger deal down the road.
Pay attention to the signing bonus, guaranteed money, and how the salary is structured and you'll get a better idea of whether the deal is good or bad.
For example, Kirk's deal has no guarantee after the second year. At that point, if he's no good, we eat $10M and walk away, leaving 33M in salary and bonuses behind. That's not bad, and gives Kirk all the motivation to keep his performance up if he wants to keep raking in the cash.
Scherff's deal is structured almost the exact same - after 2 years, if it ain't working out, we eat a little amortization and walk away with no other guarantees on our books.
2/37 with 10 mil in dead cap for year 3 is a lot too!
https://twitter.com/robertmays/status/15...0259231745
(03-15-2022, 09:48 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 09:40 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, there is. You sign people based on what they have done. Not what they might do.
This is a horrible take. I don’t give a [BLEEP] what a player did. I care about what they’re going to do
Are you Nostradamus? Can you see the future? If not, you're just guessing. Not a good way to build a team.
(03-14-2022, 07:06 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ]Does Evan Engram and Dan Arnold make our TE room good enough. Or do we still need to invest draft capital in that position?
eh, Engram's only a one year deal, and neither are the type that are going to tilt the field. Always be improving, if a great TE falls to us, absolutely take him.
(03-15-2022, 09:16 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 06:46 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone know how much cap space we have left after these signings? Could we still add a nickel corner?
On an AAV level we are way in the negative cap space now, but we backloaded everything so for this year we can still sign Darious Williams for example. Gonna have to start playing cap gymnastics next year.
(03-15-2022, 08:56 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]They absolutely should have done that but it looks like he didn't want to play here. The problem was not locking him up before he hit FA and then giving Cam the tag instead of Chark.
Tag Chark. Still sign Kirk. Trade for Collins. Start Walker Little at LT.
Did he not want to play here or did we only offer a 1 year 7M deal as Dilla said? I have a strong feeling we could have signed him if we offered something fair.
Me too. I hope he becomes a star in Detroit.
(03-14-2022, 08:04 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t say I have ever seen ANY team do this much in FA so fast
remember the eagles' dream team?
LOL Vince Young
Complain if we do complain if we don't I'm just glad we did more than last year.
(03-15-2022, 10:04 AM)Jags@dajugular Wrote: [ -> ]Complain if we do complain if we don't I'm just glad we did more than last year.
How about instead of doing too little or doing too much, we just wish that they did it right.
There may be some universe where paying two hundred and twenty five million dollars to a guard, nose tackle, off ball linebacker, and a slot receiver makes sense...but it is not this universe.
(03-14-2022, 11:00 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022, 09:03 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]This directly contradicts what Spotrac says. Graziano says we can cut him after 2023 without owing him any money, but spotrac says there is tons of dead money if we do. Which one is correct?
There's a $20 million signing bonus plus $1.5 million in 2022 salary and $15.5 million in 2023. All of that is guaranteed. That is the $37 million that they quote. I do feel this quote is misleading. Well no, you never owe a player any money after you cut them. The Jaguars would have $10 million in dead cap. However, that is reflected within the $37 million figure that he quotes. Basically, the lowest possible we could spend over two years is $37 million. However, that's the minimum. If he's healthy, he'll get a $500K roster bonus and a $500K workout bonus each year. He's also eligible for up to $3 million per year in bonuses. As such, the amount we owe if we cut him after two years will be between $37 million and $45 million or somewhere between $18.5 million and $22.5 million per year.
Why didn't we just trade for Amari Cooper?
we tried and our offer was better then the browns but he refused to play for jax that is the reason we did not get him'
Sooo, have they another linebacker in mind if they’re releasing Jack?
(03-15-2022, 10:13 AM)JagSwag Wrote: [ -> ]Sooo, have they another linebacker in mind if they’re releasing Jack?
Bring Wilson back for half of jacks contract again maybe
(03-15-2022, 07:22 AM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 04:37 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Shenault is on a rookie contract, which makes him very cheap. With our new WRs, and maybe more to come, we will not be forced to play him if he can't catch the ball better. The guy has potential. I would keep him and see what happens.
People are crazy lol. You don't get rid of a 2nd round pick after 1 good year and 1 bad year. That's how you field a team with no depth.
You do if they don't excel during preseason. you might try to get a late pick in trade, but don't hang onto dead weight just because of where you picked em.
Same goes for Taylor, if he's odd man out, so be it.