(03-16-2022, 11:34 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 11:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]We've gone from "We're screwed, Baalke is going to ruin any chances we have at bringing in talent" to signing :
Christian Kirk
Evan Engram
Zay Jones
Brandon Scherff
Foye Oluokun
Foley Fatukasi
and
Darious Williams
- almost immediately as free agency began.
What a world.
There are some who will give him no credit. According to them, this was all Doug Pederson.
Coupled with last year's "it was Urban's show, Baalke was just a glorified coffee getter" to "wait a minute, Baalke was GM last year and free agency stunk." Rabble gonna rabble.
(03-16-2022, 11:24 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 11:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]We've gone from "We're screwed, Baalke is going to ruin any chances we have at bringing in talent" to signing :
Christian Kirk
Evan Engram
Zay Jones
Brandon Scherff
Foye Oluokun
Foley Fatukasi
and
Darious Williams
- almost immediately as free agency began.
What a world.
I would bet most players care more who the coaches than the GM. They deal with the coach a lot more directly.
That could be true and is just another reason why having an experienced, respected HC is the way to go.
(03-16-2022, 11:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 11:07 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just trying to keep up. I need to know if I should be excited.
We've gone from "We're screwed, Baalke is going to ruin any chances we have at bringing in talent" to signing :
Christian Kirk
Evan Engram
Zay Jones
Brandon Scherff
Foye Oluokun
Foley Fatukasi
and
Darious Williams
- almost immediately as free agency began.
What a world.
Admittedly, I'll eat my crow. Very pleasantly surprised.
(03-16-2022, 10:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 10:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...NaJzOnUXdA
Linder likely cut. Shatley the new center.
Very nice!
They're drafting a center in the 2nd round or with one of our 3rd round picks thats what this tells me. Hope its the one from Utah, he just has a NASTY streak to him this team has been missing since Meester & Manuwai
(03-16-2022, 11:34 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 11:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]We've gone from "We're screwed, Baalke is going to ruin any chances we have at bringing in talent" to signing :
Christian Kirk
Evan Engram
Zay Jones
Brandon Scherff
Foye Oluokun
Foley Fatukasi
and
Darious Williams
- almost immediately as free agency began.
What a world.
There are some who will give him no credit. According to them, this was all Doug Pederson.
I think Pederson and the presence of Lawrence had as much or more to do with some of these signings than Baalke, but he is getting it done and by the looks of it structured some safe deals in terms of long term cap.
So - I'm no fan of the GM - but pretty hard to fault him right now comparing this free agency to last season's version.
Good signing here. I'm usually against taking players from a team that just won the Super Bowl. But, I do like Williams a lot.
(03-16-2022, 11:59 AM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Good signing here. I'm usually against taking players from a team that just won the Super Bowl. But, I do like Williams a lot.
Depends on the attitude of the player, if they're looking to cash out and coast into retirement after winning a ring I agree I'd pass. But like Malik Jackson, oftentimes adding a guy who literally JUST reached the mountain top can kickstart a rebuild and overhaul team culture with a proven model. I'll take it!
(03-16-2022, 11:34 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 11:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]We've gone from "We're screwed, Baalke is going to ruin any chances we have at bringing in talent" to signing :
Christian Kirk
Evan Engram
Zay Jones
Brandon Scherff
Foye Oluokun
Foley Fatukasi
and
Darious Williams
- almost immediately as free agency began.
What a world.
There are some who will give him no credit. According to them, this was all Doug Pederson.
You serious?
It was more.. here take 3 million more than you're worth. Enjoy!
Giving that lump of lard Baalke any credit for spending Khan's money is asinine at best.
I won't back down on Baalke. Taking the wait and see approach. I have let myself get carried away by hype and so far the negatives are heavy. Hooray he spent money.
Got to see it on the field. No not wins per se but situations where you see wins will happen.
(03-16-2022, 10:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 10:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...NaJzOnUXdA
Linder likely cut. Shatley the new center.
Very nice!
I feel like we didn't miss a beat when Shatley played - but I'm not sold on Bartch. Assuming no more moves (trading for Collins) I almost would have liked to see them move Linder to Guard with Shatley at Center giving us an OLine of Robinson, Linder, Shatley, Scherff, Little. Then we'd have Bartch ready to play when the inevitable Linder injury hits.
(03-16-2022, 11:14 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 11:07 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just trying to keep up. I need to know if I should be excited.
Nope, they were overpaid
It’s not your money so why you care what they spent. We knew we’d have to spend more to get players here and we did. We may have had the best free agent signings for this year in the NFL. And you’re whining about money we got cap space or cap will be fine next year.
(03-16-2022, 01:18 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 11:14 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, they were overpaid
It’s not your money so why you care what they spent. We knew we’d have to spend more to get players here and we did. We may have had the best free agent signings for this year in the NFL. And you’re whining about money we got cap space or cap will be fine next year.
I think the point was more directed at a hypothetical future situation where the cap matters and we're actually competitive. So we don't want to overspend massively to limit the potential in the future to invest. Also, just for this year making sure we are using this using cap space effectively.
However, I'm sure most would expect a bit of overspend, I mean Jags can't exactly be the easiest sell to players looking to win!
It does seem that most of the deals have been structured in such a way to offer us a get out in a few years when Trevor contract is up for renewal.
Other than our WR signings, I love our FA so far. Little worried about if our shiny new OG can play 17 games, but overall very solid. I feel like we could have gotten similar value or performance out of other WRs for far less money... BUT like I said, can't really complain anywhere else and I think Williams is the final piece to cement this defense as the unquestioned strength of this team while TL develops.
Very well could be a top 10 unit if our pass rush improves.
(03-16-2022, 01:18 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 11:14 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, they were overpaid
It’s not your money so why you care what they spent. We knew we’d have to spend more to get players here and we did. We may have had the best free agent signings for this year in the NFL. And you’re whining about money we got cap space or cap will be fine next year.
Because it completely bones the market now and in the future? Imagine if we had drafted a stud wideout a couple years back and we are trying to re-sign. Then, some bozo [BLEEP] GM goes and gives a slot WR who never hit 1k 82 freaking million.. You're going to be complaining when your entire cap space consists of your QB and 1 WR and then everyone else sucks.
(03-16-2022, 01:18 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 11:14 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, they were overpaid
It’s not your money so why you care what they spent.
We can still want it used best. For example, I think spending ~18M on James Daniels and Connor Williams (or any of the other myriad of IOL value signings) would give us a way better oline than having Scherff and Bartch. Considering Scherff's injury history it probably gives us a better and more consistent oline too. Instead of tagging Cam (which I was for pre FA), we could have rescinded the tag and gotten an equally good Morgan Moses and had enough to sign Russell Gage or some good pass rush depth like Charles Harris.
(03-16-2022, 02:10 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 01:18 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not your money so why you care what they spent.
We can still want it used best. For example, I think spending ~18M on James Daniels and Connor Williams (or any of the other myriad of IOL value signings) would give us a way better oline than having Scherff and Bartch. Considering Scherff's injury history it probably gives us a better and more consistent oline too. Instead of tagging Cam (which I was for pre FA), we could have rescinded the tag and gotten an equally good Morgan Moses and had enough to sign Russell Gage or some good pass rush depth like Charles Harris.
Connor Williams had more holding penalties that Jawaan Taylor. Think about that.
What the hell makes him a 'value signing'?
(03-16-2022, 03:18 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2022, 02:10 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]We can still want it used best. For example, I think spending ~18M on James Daniels and Connor Williams (or any of the other myriad of IOL value signings) would give us a way better oline than having Scherff and Bartch. Considering Scherff's injury history it probably gives us a better and more consistent oline too. Instead of tagging Cam (which I was for pre FA), we could have rescinded the tag and gotten an equally good Morgan Moses and had enough to sign Russell Gage or some good pass rush depth like Charles Harris.
Connor Williams had more holding penalties that Jawaan Taylor. Think about that.
What the hell makes him a 'value signing'?
Much like sacks, INTs, FFs, etc...anything where the number is so small that just a small fluke one direction or another can massively sway an opinion...you probably shouldn't put too much stock into one seasons worth of data. He had 14 penalties (11 of which were holding) last year and yeah that's crazy high. However, his previous 3 seasons he had 6, 5, and 5 only 10 of which were holding combined. I do not think the evidence shows that last year was what should be expected going forward.
He is extremely good otherwise, signed for half of what Scherff did, and has missed about as many games in his entire career as Scherff has missed PER SEASON his last 4 years. Plus he is only 24 and probably still has some improvement in him unlike Scherff. I call that value.
(03-16-2022, 02:00 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Other than our WR signings, I love our FA so far. Little worried about if our shiny new OG can play 17 games, but overall very solid. I feel like we could have gotten similar value or performance out of other WRs for far less money... BUT like I said, can't really complain anywhere else and I think Williams is the final piece to cement this defense as the unquestioned strength of this team while TL develops.
Very well could be a top 10 unit if our pass rush improves.
(03-16-2022, 01:18 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not your money so why you care what they spent. We knew we’d have to spend more to get players here and we did. We may have had the best free agent signings for this year in the NFL. And you’re whining about money we got cap space or cap will be fine next year.
Because it completely bones the market now and in the future? Imagine if we had drafted a stud wideout a couple years back and we are trying to re-sign. Then, some bozo [BLEEP] GM goes and gives a slot WR who never hit 1k 82 freaking million.. You're going to be complaining when your entire cap space consists of your QB and 1 WR and then everyone else sucks.
All that really matters is the guaranteed money and the cap hit. Everything else is monopoly money.
(03-16-2022, 03:38 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]If he was on the Jaguars you'd be the first one screaming to get rid of him.
You don't know me very well at all huh