(11-29-2022, 10:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not expecting much in terms of surprises from Musk's revelations. I don't think he's going to reveal how the algorithm and shadowbanning and throttling have worked. Because every indication is Musk still wants to use those tools behind the curtain.
Something interesting he might be able to reveal is the bias. There probably were(and still are) some more right wing or centrist moderators over there who wanted to punish some of the more extreme or inciteful left wing accounts, that were never punished. Those internal arguments might be very interesting, if there is record of them.
Right wing moderators at Twitter?
(11-29-2022, 10:58 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 10:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not expecting much in terms of surprises from Musk's revelations. I don't think he's going to reveal how the algorithm and shadowbanning and throttling have worked. Because every indication is Musk still wants to use those tools behind the curtain.
Something interesting he might be able to reveal is the bias. There probably were(and still are) some more right wing or centrist moderators over there who wanted to punish some of the more extreme or inciteful left wing accounts, that were never punished. Those internal arguments might be very interesting, if there is record of them.
Right wing moderators at Twitter?
Obviously he's never been on Twitter.
(11-29-2022, 10:58 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 10:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not expecting much in terms of surprises from Musk's revelations. I don't think he's going to reveal how the algorithm and shadowbanning and throttling have worked. Because every indication is Musk still wants to use those tools behind the curtain.
Something interesting he might be able to reveal is the bias. There probably were(and still are) some more right wing or centrist moderators over there who wanted to punish some of the more extreme or inciteful left wing accounts, that were never punished. Those internal arguments might be very interesting, if there is record of them.
Right wing moderators at Twitter?
My point is they probably existed at a low level, and were simply overruled. I can't imagine any organization having total homogeneity in this. Even if the dispute was between a hyper-woke moderator and a simply liberal moderator, there should be evidence of these kinds of internal discussions, and it might be very interesting.
(11-29-2022, 12:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 10:58 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Right wing moderators at Twitter?
My point is they probably existed at a low level, and were simply overruled. I can't imagine any organization having total homogeneity in this. Even if the dispute was between a hyper-woke moderator and a simply liberal moderator, there should be evidence of these kinds of internal discussions, and it might be very interesting.
Low level?!?
How about damn near non-existant?
Now that I've actually took the time to read some of your posts, I now know why people get so upset with you. You just spew garbage out of the corner of your mouth with absolutely ZERO facts.
You don't do any research and you are nothing but a contrarian.
I'm going back to ignoring your garbage now..
Your content = Diarrhea
(11-29-2022, 10:58 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 10:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not expecting much in terms of surprises from Musk's revelations. I don't think he's going to reveal how the algorithm and shadowbanning and throttling have worked. Because every indication is Musk still wants to use those tools behind the curtain.
Something interesting he might be able to reveal is the bias. There probably were(and still are) some more right wing or centrist moderators over there who wanted to punish some of the more extreme or inciteful left wing accounts, that were never punished. Those internal arguments might be very interesting, if there is record of them.
Right wing moderators at Twitter?
"And in other news today, the Earth was discovered to indeed be flat after all"..
(11-29-2022, 12:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 10:58 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Right wing moderators at Twitter?
My point is they probably existed at a low level, and were simply overruled. I can't imagine any organization having total homogeneity in this. Even if the dispute was between a hyper-woke moderator and a simply liberal moderator, there should be evidence of these kinds of internal discussions, and it might be very interesting.
You actually think they hired right wing conservatives to work around all those wokesters at Twitter?
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(11-29-2022, 02:42 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 12:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]My point is they probably existed at a low level, and were simply overruled. I can't imagine any organization having total homogeneity in this. Even if the dispute was between a hyper-woke moderator and a simply liberal moderator, there should be evidence of these kinds of internal discussions, and it might be very interesting.
You actually think they hired right wing conservatives to work around all those wokesters at Twitter?
I actually think they complied with federal employment law and didn't ask about political views in the hiring process!
Don't you think we would have heard of a lawsuit by now, if they had not?
(11-29-2022, 02:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 02:42 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]You actually think they hired right wing conservatives to work around all those wokesters at Twitter?
I actually think they complied with federal employment law and didn't ask about political views in the hiring process!
Don't you think we would have heard of a lawsuit by now, if they had not?
Yeah, there’s no way of ever getting around that kind of thing.
(11-29-2022, 02:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 02:42 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]You actually think they hired right wing conservatives to work around all those wokesters at Twitter?
I actually think they complied with federal employment law and didn't ask about political views in the hiring process!
Don't you think we would have heard of a lawsuit by now, if they had not?
It really seems to bother you that Twitter will no longer suppress conservative views.
(11-29-2022, 04:59 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 02:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I actually think they complied with federal employment law and didn't ask about political views in the hiring process!
Don't you think we would have heard of a lawsuit by now, if they had not?
It really seems to bother you that Twitter will no longer suppress conservative views.
...that's not what I've said at all. Twitter no longer suppressing conservative views doesn't bother me even a little bit. And I don't deny that they did it. Especially with regard to the transgender issue.
But no matter what I say here, almost everyone thinks I actually said something else.
I swear, L2L is the only one here who consistently reads what I'm actually saying.
(11-29-2022, 03:03 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 02:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I actually think they complied with federal employment law and didn't ask about political views in the hiring process!
Don't you think we would have heard of a lawsuit by now, if they had not?
Yeah, there’s no way of ever getting around that kind of thing.
Twitter employs over 5,000 people.
You're saying they successfully hired over 5,000 non-conservative people, without ever once bringing in a conservative job applicant? Or, if they did happen to interview a conservative, they managed to figure out that the applicant was conservative, and avoid hiring him or her, without asking him or her, every single time?
Uh oh he's getting pedantic!
(11-29-2022, 05:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 04:59 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]It really seems to bother you that Twitter will no longer suppress conservative views.
...that's not what I've said at all. Twitter no longer suppressing conservative views doesn't bother me even a little bit. And I don't deny that they did it. Especially with regard to the transgender issue.
But no matter what I say here, almost everyone thinks I actually said something else.
I swear, L2L is the only one here who consistently reads what I'm actually saying.
(11-29-2022, 03:03 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, there’s no way of ever getting around that kind of thing.
Twitter employs over 5,000 people.
You're saying they successfully hired over 5,000 non-conservative people, without ever once bringing in a conservative job applicant? Or, if they did happen to interview a conservative, they managed to figure out that the applicant was conservative, and avoid hiring him or her, without asking him or her, every single time?
No doubt they had people who were more centrist or conservative working support roles but do you believe any of them had any control over moderation and content?
(11-29-2022, 05:53 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 05:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]...that's not what I've said at all. Twitter no longer suppressing conservative views doesn't bother me even a little bit. And I don't deny that they did it. Especially with regard to the transgender issue.
But no matter what I say here, almost everyone thinks I actually said something else.
I swear, L2L is the only one here who consistently reads what I'm actually saying.
Twitter employs over 5,000 people.
You're saying they successfully hired over 5,000 non-conservative people, without ever once bringing in a conservative job applicant? Or, if they did happen to interview a conservative, they managed to figure out that the applicant was conservative, and avoid hiring him or her, without asking him or her, every single time?
No doubt they had people who were more centrist or conservative working support roles but do you believe any of them had any control over moderation and content?
OK now we're making progress. We agree they were there. Are there.
No, I don't believe they had control of these decisions. I imagine the only people in control started out as entry level moderators and they only got promoted to "control" if they had a clean record of only recommending right wing comments for moderation. I would bet there were at least a few low level workers flagging left wing posts, and those flags were ignored by the left wing bosses, and those workers probably got frustrated and didn't last long. I would bet there are a few paper trails in that vein.
(11-29-2022, 02:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 02:42 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]You actually think they hired right wing conservatives to work around all those wokesters at Twitter?
I actually think they complied with federal employment law and didn't ask about political views in the hiring process!
Don't you think we would have heard of a lawsuit by now, if they had not?
I don’t have to ask my prospective employees their political party. I just assume that if they sign up to sweat and bust their [BLEEP] off for a paycheck to feed their families that they are Republicans. So far… the ones that stay seem to all be right leaning. Just basing that off talks that happen in the truck. Black, white, purple… doesn’t matter.
(11-29-2022, 06:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 05:53 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]No doubt they had people who were more centrist or conservative working support roles but do you believe any of them had any control over moderation and content?
OK now we're making progress. We agree they were there. Are there.
No, I don't believe they had control of these decisions. I imagine the only people in control started out as entry level moderators and they only got promoted to "control" if they had a clean record of only recommending right wing comments for moderation. I would bet there were at least a few low level workers flagging left wing posts, and those flags were ignored by the left wing bosses, and those workers probably got frustrated and didn't last long. I would bet there are a few paper trails in that vein.
When people say that a movie or show is good, or bad, do you think they are also referring to the lighting technicians, catering services, grips, gaffers and such?
(11-29-2022, 07:10 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 02:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I actually think they complied with federal employment law and didn't ask about political views in the hiring process!
Don't you think we would have heard of a lawsuit by now, if they had not?
I don’t have to ask my prospective employees their political party. I just assume that if they sign up to sweat and bust their [BLEEP] off for a paycheck to feed their families that they are Republicans. So far… the ones that stay seem to all be right leaning. Just basing that off talks that happen in the truck. Black, white, purple… doesn’t matter.
Ya know, in my 35+ years of working, I never once cared about a fellow employee's party affiliation. All I cared about was that they were pulling their own weight and finished projects and planning in a timely manner.
I have no problem working with democrats, liberals, conservatives, independents.. Never mattered to me.
I discriminate against the lazy and the do nothings..
(11-29-2022, 07:29 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 07:10 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t have to ask my prospective employees their political party. I just assume that if they sign up to sweat and bust their [BLEEP] off for a paycheck to feed their families that they are Republicans. So far… the ones that stay seem to all be right leaning. Just basing that off talks that happen in the truck. Black, white, purple… doesn’t matter.
Ya know, in my 35+ years of working, I never once cared about a fellow employee's party affiliation. All I cared about was that they were pulling their own weight and finished projects and planning in a timely manner.
I have no problem working with democrats, liberals, conservatives, independents.. Never mattered to me.
I discriminate against the lazy and the do nothings..
Truly, neither do I.
I’m not trying to be funny on this one. A very common denominator in the guys I hire seem or come off as R’s. I don’t care. I’ll hiring anybody willing to work. I’m just sharing my experience over the last 16 or so years. Turns out, they all seem to be right leaning. Take that for what you will.
(11-29-2022, 07:44 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 07:29 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Ya know, in my 35+ years of working, I never once cared about a fellow employee's party affiliation. All I cared about was that they were pulling their own weight and finished projects and planning in a timely manner.
I have no problem working with democrats, liberals, conservatives, independents.. Never mattered to me.
I discriminate against the lazy and the do nothings..
Truly, neither do I.
I’m not trying to be funny on this one. A very common denominator in the guys I hire seem or come off as R’s. I don’t care. I’ll hiring anybody willing to work. I’m just sharing my experience over the last 16 or so years. Turns out, they all seem to be right leaning. Take that for what you will.
No doubt though, I agree.
(11-29-2022, 07:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2022, 06:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]OK now we're making progress. We agree they were there. Are there.
No, I don't believe they had control of these decisions. I imagine the only people in control started out as entry level moderators and they only got promoted to "control" if they had a clean record of only recommending right wing comments for moderation. I would bet there were at least a few low level workers flagging left wing posts, and those flags were ignored by the left wing bosses, and those workers probably got frustrated and didn't last long. I would bet there are a few paper trails in that vein.
When people say that a movie or show is good, or bad, do you think they are also referring to the lighting technicians, catering services, grips, gaffers and such?
No. But certain actors and directors have treated their techs, grips, etc., so poorly that word gets out, right?
Why do you ask?
