(10-04-2023, 11:34 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]According to Doug at the press conference today, they think Fortner is doing just fine. “No problems at all.” May be just coachspeak. But he said it with conviction. We have to face the possibility that this coach and front office suck at evaluating O line. I’d take odds that they resign Cam going forward AND don’t significantly address C/G in the offseason.
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Nah - Doug just doesn't throw players under the bus at pressers.
They know LG and C have been giving up pressure - and getting manhandled in the run game.
They just don't have an answer so they aren't going to demoralize the guys getting whipped out there.
If he really thinks Fortner is fine - we have a problem. I don't think he believes that at all.
They wouldn't have yanked Bartch and put in the equally bad Shatley if they didn't see it.
And if they see it at LG , they see it at Center.
They are hoping sliding a tackle to LG will bolster Fortner enough to make a difference.
Can't bash the 2nd year center before exhausting all efforts to help him , and even then, Pederson is a bit too classy for that usually.
(10-04-2023, 11:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2023, 11:34 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]According to Doug at the press conference today, they think Fortner is doing just fine. “No problems at all.” May be just coachspeak. But he said it with conviction. We have to face the possibility that this coach and front office suck at evaluating O line. I’d take odds that they resign Cam going forward AND don’t significantly address C/G in the offseason.
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Nah - Doug just doesn't throw players under the bus at pressers.
They know LG and C have been giving up pressure - and getting manhandled in the run game.
They just don't have an answer so they aren't going to demoralize the guys getting whipped out there.
If he really thinks Fortner is fine - we have a problem. I don't think he believes that at all.
They wouldn't have yanked Bartch and put in the equally bad Shatley if they didn't see it.
And if they see it at LG , they see it at Center.
They are hoping sliding a tackle to LG will bolster Fortner enough to make a difference.
Can't bash the 2nd year center before exhausting all efforts to help him , and even then, Pederson is a bit too classy for that usually.
Let's hope this is the case.
(10-04-2023, 08:42 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone have they pressures allowed for each of our starting OL? I saw Harrison has only allowed 1 the past 2 weeks.
@Cam leads the team with 0 thusfar@
(10-04-2023, 11:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2023, 11:34 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]According to Doug at the press conference today, they think Fortner is doing just fine. “No problems at all.” May be just coachspeak. But he said it with conviction. We have to face the possibility that this coach and front office suck at evaluating O line. I’d take odds that they resign Cam going forward AND don’t significantly address C/G in the offseason.
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Nah - Doug just doesn't throw players under the bus at pressers.
He could've answered differently without throwing him under the bus.
Like "we could be better as a team"... or something like that.
(10-04-2023, 02:37 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2023, 11:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Nah - Doug just doesn't throw players under the bus at pressers.
He could've answered differently without throwing him under the bus.
Like "we could be better as a team"... or something like that.
No he could not. with all the attention the OL is garnering anything else would have been blown out of proportion by the media. Who knows by some others as well.
(10-04-2023, 02:37 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2023, 11:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Nah - Doug just doesn't throw players under the bus at pressers.
He could've answered differently without throwing him under the bus.
Like "we could be better as a team"... or something like that.
I could have gotten out of bed this morning on the left side by the window instead of the right side by the nightstand.
*shrug*
Do you actually think Pederson believes Fortner is playing well?
I'll remind you that his PFF grade through the first 3 weeks was a whopping 45.4 (top centers grading in the 80's)
Week 4 he clawed his way to 53.8
(10-04-2023, 03:41 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone can post things on the Internet. I found this on Reddit and it shows our line to be below average but not really terrible compared to some other teams.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1...5053132233
We're 21st in pass blocking. 31st in run blocking if you look at the 2nd image in the post.
That's pretty bad buddy... we certainly... candobetter.
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(10-04-2023, 03:41 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone can post things on the Internet. I found this on Reddit and it shows our line to be below average but not really terrible compared to some other teams.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1...5053132233
That's a pretty good combo of three different sites pass pro metrics - until you read the fine print where he states that he gave PFF and SIS 40% each and only weighed the ESPN rating 20% into his composite. Of course ESPN had the lowest rating on us of the three.
Anyway - being the 21st ranked pass pro line is bad no mater how you slice it.
I'd wager 25-28 range to be more accurate, but whatever.
Did you see his run block composite?
We are 31st.
The thing people are NOT getting from looking at these grades is that they are accumulated over 4 weeks.
If each week you have two or three linemen trending up with good scores, and each week you have two or three linemen trending way down and getting beaten frequently - you can't see that on a 1-32 ranking graphic.
Those 2 or 3 guys getting beaten each week are affecting the passing game more negatively than any aggregate of 5 individual scores over 4 weeks of games can illustrate.
This interior line sucks.
I never even noticed the run block. That one is pretty terrible.
For pass pro I still think we're bad , but not terrible. I agree the interior line sucks but I honestly don't have too much to say about our tackles.
Anyway,
wouldn't these scores mean that the run game is more affected by the o-line's troubles? Why are we then using Etienne the way we do?
(10-04-2023, 04:21 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]I never even noticed the run block. That one is pretty terrible.
For pass pro I still think we're bad , but not terrible. I agree the interior line sucks but I honestly don't have too much to say about our tackles.
Anyway,
wouldn't these scores mean that the run game is more affected by the o-line's troubles? Why are we then using Etienne the way we do?
If there is one gripe I legit have with the new play caller it is his desire to run between the tackles.
Doesn't make sense. I guess he doesn't trust his guards to pull right now. (Scherff is playing through ankle injury and LG has been an utter [BLEEP] show)
The run strategy needs to be adjusted and quick. Whatever smoke and mirrors they can find - they need to McGyver some [BLEEP] together with duct tape, zip ties and that those old cans of solvent in the tool shed.
When you run 1 or 2 run plays on almost every 1st down, it's going to be hard to have a highly rated OL.
Are there any reports from practice? Who is at what position?
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(10-04-2023, 04:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2023, 04:21 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]I never even noticed the run block. That one is pretty terrible.
For pass pro I still think we're bad , but not terrible. I agree the interior line sucks but I honestly don't have too much to say about our tackles.
Anyway,
wouldn't these scores mean that the run game is more affected by the o-line's troubles? Why are we then using Etienne the way we do?
If there is one gripe I legit have with the new play caller it is his desire to run between the tackles.
Doesn't make sense. I guess he doesn't trust his guards to pull right now. (Scherff is playing through ankle injury and LG has been an utter [BLEEP] show)
The run strategy needs to be adjusted and quick. Whatever smoke and mirrors they can find - they need to McGyver some [BLEEP] together with duct tape, zip ties and that those old cans of solvent in the tool shed.
And last year, posters on here complained about not running in between the tackles enough lol
I’m not saying it was you but I remember people getting mad at all the horizontal stuff.
(10-04-2023, 02:42 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2023, 02:37 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ]He could've answered differently without throwing him under the bus.
Like "we could be better as a team"... or something like that.
I could have gotten out of bed this morning on the left side by the window instead of the right side by the nightstand.
*shrug*
Do you actually think Pederson believes Fortner is playing well?
I'll remind you that his PFF grade through the first 3 weeks was a whopping 45.4 (top centers grading in the 80's)
Week 4 he clawed his way to 53.8
I can only take people on what comes out of their mouths. I truly don't know what's inside their heart.
(10-04-2023, 04:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2023, 04:21 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]I never even noticed the run block. That one is pretty terrible.
For pass pro I still think we're bad , but not terrible. I agree the interior line sucks but I honestly don't have too much to say about our tackles.
Anyway,
wouldn't these scores mean that the run game is more affected by the o-line's troubles? Why are we then using Etienne the way we do?
If there is one gripe I legit have with the new play caller it is his desire to run between the tackles.
Doesn't make sense. I guess he doesn't trust his guards to pull right now. (Scherff is playing through ankle injury and LG has been an utter [BLEEP] show)
The run strategy needs to be adjusted and quick. Whatever smoke and mirrors they can find - they need to McGyver some [BLEEP] together with duct tape, zip ties and that those old cans of solvent in the tool shed.
Did you already forget week one? The team kept trying to run outside and getting blown up for losses.
(10-04-2023, 08:22 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Did you already forget week one? The team kept trying to run outside and getting blown up for losses.
I think it was mostly pulling OL that had issues. If they line up with TEs, a toss should work. Run off the Ts and cut inside/outside based on the defenders.
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(10-04-2023, 08:22 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2023, 04:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If there is one gripe I legit have with the new play caller it is his desire to run between the tackles.
Doesn't make sense. I guess he doesn't trust his guards to pull right now. (Scherff is playing through ankle injury and LG has been an utter [BLEEP] show)
The run strategy needs to be adjusted and quick. Whatever smoke and mirrors they can find - they need to McGyver some [BLEEP] together with duct tape, zip ties and that those old cans of solvent in the tool shed.
Did you already forget week one? The team kept trying to run outside and getting blown up for losses.
You're right.
I did forget that.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't it would appear.