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Like Chris Berman says, "he was stumbling and mumbling" mess. Looked like a delusional old man who has no business running a country. We can't let this old feeble man continue running the country. Simply pathetic!

It's sad that he's made it this far. Have to question the entire administration at this point. There's no way he's been making all of these decisions in full confidence with competency.

It's clear he's just being used to write the checks and sign off on the destablization of our Country's already ever eroding foundations.

There's nobody that can look me in the eye and tell me they're going to double down on this. It's downright dementia and demented at this point.

Shame on the Democratic party. Shame on the Democratic loyalist's. Shame on the "Anybody but him crowd" from four years ago.

They have fast tracked us on the pathway to hell. Reminder. Still four months left for this group of psychopath's to plunge us into a Global conflict at the bidding of their Globalist masters.


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I think it’s pretty safe to say there won’t be a second debate. My guess is the DNC is having an earnest discussion about who can replace Biden on the ticket, and fast.

They have two obstacles to overcome. The first is finding a viable candidate in short order. The second will be overcoming the gauntlet of unelecteds who are using Biden as a pawn to stay at the reins of power.

There needs to be a decisive action, and soon. Real soon.

This is gonna be fun watching the Democratic party tear itself apart with a majority wanting to replace Biden at the convention and Biden's handlers and criminal family enterprise never allowing such a thing to happen. Also interesting that Trump has waited until after the debate to announce his veep pick. He can now choose who he really wants over who is politically expedient if that was a concern.

Also of interest will be RFK Jr.'s turnout on election day and his political career moving forward.

(06-28-2024, 07:37 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I think it’s pretty safe to say there won’t be a second debate. My guess is the DNC is having an earnest discussion about who can replace Biden on the ticket, and fast.

They have two obstacles to overcome. The first is finding a viable candidate in short order. The second will be overcoming the gauntlet of unelecteds who are using Biden as a pawn to stay at the reins of power.

There needs to be a decisive action, and soon. Real soon.

I agree, but I don't know how they would go about doing it.  The delegates to the convention have been elected, and they have the final say.  

Assuming Biden withdraws, I would suggest they leave it up to the convention.  It would make for some great TV drama and make the convention watchable for a change.

(06-28-2024, 07:37 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I think it’s pretty safe to say there won’t be a second debate. My guess is the DNC is having an earnest discussion about who can replace Biden on the ticket, and fast.

They have two obstacles to overcome. The first is finding a viable candidate in short order. The second will be overcoming the gauntlet of unelecteds who are using Biden as a pawn to stay at the reins of power.

There needs to be a decisive action, and soon. Real soon.

There's been prognostications by some on social media over the past year of a plan to replace him at the convention with Gavin Newsome.  Wild to see it playing out in real time regardless.

(06-28-2024, 07:44 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-28-2024, 07:37 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I think it’s pretty safe to say there won’t be a second debate. My guess is the DNC is having an earnest discussion about who can replace Biden on the ticket, and fast.

They have two obstacles to overcome. The first is finding a viable candidate in short order. The second will be overcoming the gauntlet of unelecteds who are using Biden as a pawn to stay at the reins of power.

There needs to be a decisive action, and soon. Real soon.

There's been prognostications by some on social media over the past year of a plan to replace him at the convention with Gavin Newsome.  Wild to see it playing out in real time regardless.

Too much California baggage for Gavin Newsome.

There’s a poll on Drudge on who should replace Biden. Right now, Gavin Newsom is in second place with 23.68%, behind Other at 39.27%.

(06-28-2024, 07:58 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There’s a poll on Drudge on who should replace Biden. Right now, Gavin Newsom is in second place with 23.68%, behind Other at 39.27%.

"Biden withdraws!  It's an open convention!"  That would be great TV.

(06-28-2024, 07:58 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There’s a poll on Drudge on who should replace Biden. Right now, Gavin Newsom is in second place with 23.68%, behind Other at 39.27%.

Newsom straddles along the lines of Canada's Justin Trudeau. Have an awful feeling about him. He's failed California miserably, and, if he gets into the White House? I would expect even more head scratching nonsense than what we've already seen with Biden.

He'll just be a lot more well spoken and more of a wolf in sheep's clothing about it all. No different than Obama.

He's essentially the Bizarro version of DeSantis.

(06-28-2024, 07:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-28-2024, 07:44 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]There's been prognostications by some on social media over the past year of a plan to replace him at the convention with Gavin Newsome.  Wild to see it playing out in real time regardless.

Too much California baggage for Gavin Newsome.

Oh I agree.  Newsome should have no chance nationally, but it won't necessarily be about that.  It will be about who currently has sway in the Democratic party and who has a machine in place.  Usually it's political families that have such capabilities. Newsome is part of the Pelosi family.

Could be Hillary or Michelle as well, but Hillary is already unlikeable and has plenty of baggage on her own and Michelle has no business being President.  Betting odds are favoring Newsome to replace if anyone does.  Michelle probably has the best chance with leftists yearning for more of the Obama years.

Axelrod on CNN after the debate chastised the republican across the table about Trump being in trouble if the top of the ticket changed for the Dems.   Axelrod is a political hack as is most everyone at CNN and he was clearly saying whatever he could to save face after a terrible performance by his guy.  A lot of time between now and the election and anything can happen, but Trump isn't in trouble at all at this moment and looks to be cruising to victory.

(06-28-2024, 08:58 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-28-2024, 07:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Too much California baggage for Gavin Newsome.

Oh I agree.  Newsome should have no chance nationally, but it won't necessarily be about that.  It will be about who currently has sway in the Democratic party and who has a machine in place.  Could be Hillary or Michelle as well, but Hillary is already unlikeable and has plenty of baggage on her own and Michelle has no business being President.  Betting odds are favoring Newsome to replace if anyone does.  Michelle probably has the best chance with leftists yearning for more of the Obama years.

Axelrod on CNN after the debate chastised the republican across the table about Trump being in trouble if the top of the ticket changed for the Dems.   Axelrod is a political hack as is most everyone at CNN and he was clearly saying whatever he could to save face after a terrible performance by his guy.  A lot of time between now and the election and anything can happen, but Trump isn't in trouble at all at this moment and looks to be cruising to victory.

Why though? With Michelle? So they can finish their job in the Middle East and further expand upon Bush Jr's "Patriot Act" laws and keep going after free speech and independent journalists? 

No thanks. Race relations would just be worse than it was with Barack, because now it's a Black Woman instead of a Black Man in the office. The narratives would be spun right back around on white people being too critical, racism this, racism that. 

What a [BLEEP] joke of a candidate at this point. The left has lost this one. Said it numerous time. Over the past eight [BLEEP] years, since 2016, instead of building up a perfect candidate, developing a better ideology as a party, they kept going after Trump, whether he was or was not in power, using everything they could to stop him instead of just offering the country a viable alternative. 

The political system here is garbage. It is what it is at this point, but, even if Trump gets in for the next four years, he's not the same man he was in 2016. He'll maybe alleviate some of our current problems, but, once he's done? Then what? 

We're right back to Warhawks in the White House and RINO's running the table again from the right. And then these Neoliberals will continue their social agenda nonsense some more to dumb down yet another generation of children that are being raised by parents that were put into an identity crisis the previous decade before.

It's hilarious to me that democrats call themselves the party of democracy and we're talking about who they are going to appoint without the will of the people. It's fitting, because that's the reality, but it's sad that people will turn out in droves to support whoever they pick to replace him. People are blinded by their own hate.

(06-28-2024, 09:07 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-28-2024, 08:58 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I agree.  Newsome should have no chance nationally, but it won't necessarily be about that.  It will be about who currently has sway in the Democratic party and who has a machine in place.  Could be Hillary or Michelle as well, but Hillary is already unlikeable and has plenty of baggage on her own and Michelle has no business being President.  Betting odds are favoring Newsome to replace if anyone does.  Michelle probably has the best chance with leftists yearning for more of the Obama years.

Axelrod on CNN after the debate chastised the republican across the table about Trump being in trouble if the top of the ticket changed for the Dems.   Axelrod is a political hack as is most everyone at CNN and he was clearly saying whatever he could to save face after a terrible performance by his guy.  A lot of time between now and the election and anything can happen, but Trump isn't in trouble at all at this moment and looks to be cruising to victory.

Why though? With Michelle? So they can finish their job in the Middle East and further expand upon Bush Jr's "Patriot Act" laws and keep going after free speech and independent journalists? 

No thanks. Race relations would just be worse than it was with Barack, because now it's a Black Woman instead of a Black Man in the office. The narratives would be spun right back around on white people being too critical, racism this, racism that. 

What a [BLEEP] joke of a candidate at this point. The left has lost this one. Said it numerous time. Over the past eight [BLEEP] years, since 2016, instead of building up a perfect candidate, developing a better ideology as a party, they kept going after Trump, whether he was or was not in power, using everything they could to stop him instead of just offering the country a viable alternative. 

The political system here is garbage. It is what it is at this point, but, even if Trump gets in for the next four years, he's not the same man he was in 2016. He'll maybe alleviate some of our current problems, but, once he's done? Then what? 

We're right back to Warhawks in the White House and RINO's running the table again from the right. And then these Neoliberals will continue their social agenda nonsense some more to dumb down yet another generation of children that are being raised by parents that were put into an identity crisis the previous decade before.

The veep pick is key.  Trump will be a lame duck in 2 years.  And I agree Michelle would be a bad candidate but that hasn't stopped people from voting for someone before and Obama is still well regarded on that side of the aisle.  Romney and McCain were both awful candidates and not my primary choice the years they were the nominee and I voted for them in the general anyway.

Last night's debate had the 2nd best possible outcome for Democrats. The best would have been an energetic and lucid Joe Biden; that outcome disappeared about 5 minutes into the "debate." The horrible and sad performance by Biden made it totally obvious that if Democrats want to win they must convince him to withdraw. Since the Democratic party has a history of self-destructive behavior (not unlike the Republicans), I'm not so sure they will pressure him to step down. If this doesn't happen after the post-debate polls, the Democrats will have no one to blame but themselves.

(06-28-2024, 09:24 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Last night's debate had the 2nd best possible outcome for Democrats. The best would have been an energetic and lucid Joe Biden; that outcome disappeared about 5 minutes into the "debate." The horrible and sad performance by Biden made it totally obvious that if Democrats want to win they must convince him to withdraw. Since the Democratic party has a history of self-destructive behavior (not unlike the Republicans), I'm not so sure they will pressure him to step down. If this doesn't happen after the post-debate polls, the Democrats will have no one to blame but themselves.

They can't replace him without him stepping down because the delegates are pledged to him and have to vote for him.  My wild-[BLEEP] guess on whether he will step down is 50% chance.

(06-28-2024, 09:24 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Last night's debate had the 2nd best possible outcome for Democrats. The best would have been an energetic and lucid Joe Biden; that outcome disappeared about 5 minutes into the "debate." The horrible and sad performance by Biden made it totally obvious that if Democrats want to win they must convince him to withdraw. Since the Democratic party has a history of self-destructive behavior (not unlike the Republicans), I'm not so sure they will pressure him to step down. If this doesn't happen after the post-debate polls, the Democrats will have no one to blame but themselves.

I find the Dems desire for an historically early debate to provide time and options prior to the convention highly plausible.

Biden's going to get The Pillow this week. Kumala will step in and arrest Trump. The Dems will pick Big Mike to be their candidate.

(06-28-2024, 10:09 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Biden's going to get The Pillow this week. Kumala will step in and arrest Trump. The Dems will pick Big Mike to be their candidate.

Honestly? Not a bad theory at all.

(06-28-2024, 10:24 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-28-2024, 10:09 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Biden's going to get The Pillow this week. Kumala will step in and arrest Trump. The Dems will pick Big Mike to be their candidate.

Honestly? Not a bad theory at all.

I just wonder if Harris has the balls to perp walk Trump out on stage at the DNC. That to me would be the clincher.