(07-11-2024, 09:27 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]This is normal right?
https://youtu.be/OdKij6OmAwY?si=zXnStyVX5XTlNImG
Perhaps you all should ease up on Hunter. I mean, perhaps he hit the brink and had no other choices but to take bribes, smoke crack, and bang strippers. I tend to watch Netflix as my escape but to each their own.
(07-11-2024, 06:48 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]President Putin....of Ukraine.
You biden voters should feel shame.
Putin/Zelensky
Haley/Pelosi
it's all the same.
Personally, if I were K. Harris, I'd be a little nervous as it appears Biden inadvertently revealed his VP selection prior to the Dem Convention. I think it's genius for Biden to select Trump in attempt to capture a portion of his MAGA Base.
(07-12-2024, 09:46 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]If they aren't separating every person who jumps our border then they should be. Everyone should be held in solitary until they are identified, validated, adjudicated, and tossed back out of the country. End ALL immigration immediately, capture and kill the Coyotes. Deport EVERY illegal regardless of how long they've been here.
Then we can talk about resuming legal immigration. After that point any illegals that show up immediately get transported to the Canadian border and tossed over there. Time to quit being the World's blank cheque,
Holding folks in solitary would be massively expensive and way overboard.
I have no qualm with sending people back to Mexico. None. Do it quick if you have reliable information on them. But separating kids should only be done if there is reasonable suspicion of kidnapping or both parents are reasonably suspected of violent crime. Full stop. Turn in your dad card if you disagree. Seriously.
Not my kid, not my countrymen, not my problem. Split, ID, dump.
(07-12-2024, 12:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Not my kid, not my countrymen, not my problem. Split, ID, dump.
Fatherhood is universal. It is above nationality. Your statement makes you a bad person. Many of the kids who were split were unable to be reunited.
(07-12-2024, 12:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 12:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Not my kid, not my countrymen, not my problem. Split, ID, dump.
Fatherhood is universal. It is above nationality. Your statement makes you a bad person. Many of the kids who were split were unable to be reunited.
Your (years' worth of) statement(s) makes me really not care what you think. Its not my problem that they broke into our country, they can sort it out somewhere else. I'm tired of Americans being made to care about and for the rest of the world.
(07-12-2024, 12:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 12:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Fatherhood is universal. It is above nationality. Your statement makes you a bad person. Many of the kids who were split were unable to be reunited.
Your (years' worth of) statement(s) makes me really not care what you think. Its not my problem that they broke into our country, they can sort it out somewhere else. I'm tired of Americans being made to care about and for the rest of the world.
When things are "not your problem" you leave them alone. You don't jail things that are "not your problem" and you especially don't separate kids from parents when it's"not your problem.". This is basic man. You say I'm the one with TDS but you're the one not thinking straight.
(07-12-2024, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 12:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Your (years' worth of) statement(s) makes me really not care what you think. Its not my problem that they broke into our country, they can sort it out somewhere else. I'm tired of Americans being made to care about and for the rest of the world.
When things are "not your problem" you leave them alone. You don't jail things that are "not your problem" and you especially don't separate kids from parents when it's"not your problem.". This is basic man. You say I'm the one with TDS but you're the one not thinking straight.
See, again you just lack the intellect to understand. Or you're just willfully the Jungle's door knob; either, or I guess.
Foreign kids being separated from their "parents" because their "parents" jumped the border is not my problem.
Foreigners jumping the border "is" my problem and I want it dealt with in the most extreme manner possible.
We get it man, we know you're a dip [BLEEP], you can stop proving it any time you want.
(07-12-2024, 01:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]When things are "not your problem" you leave them alone. You don't jail things that are "not your problem" and you especially don't separate kids from parents when it's"not your problem.". This is basic man. You say I'm the one with TDS but you're the one not thinking straight.
See, again you just lack the intellect to understand. Or you're just willfully the Jungle's door knob; either, or I guess.
Foreign kids being separated from their "parents" because their "parents" jumped the border is not my problem.
Foreigners jumping the border "is" my problem and I want it dealt with in the most extreme manner possible.
We get it man, we know you're a dip [BLEEP], you can stop proving it any time you want.
When you "solve" problems the solution isn't supposed to make things worse. By your logic, why don't we just bomb Mexico until they stop coming? Wouldn't that get them to stop?
(07-12-2024, 01:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 01:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]See, again you just lack the intellect to understand. Or you're just willfully the Jungle's door knob; either, or I guess.
Foreign kids being separated from their "parents" because their "parents" jumped the border is not my problem.
Foreigners jumping the border "is" my problem and I want it dealt with in the most extreme manner possible.
We get it man, we know you're a dip [BLEEP], you can stop proving it any time you want.
When you "solve" problems the solution isn't supposed to make things worse. By your logic, why don't we just bomb Mexico until they stop coming? Wouldn't that get them to stop?
I don't need to destroy Mexico to stop illegal immigration. What would help us though is imprisoning all of the illegals here while we deport them. I don't believe Trump will really do it, he's not nearly as extreme as you UIs want to pretend he is. Just because you want to continue this stupid game of yours doesn't mean the rest of us have to do so. As always you just want to continue arguing for the sake of arguing. At least the rest of us actually believe what we post here, unlike you who just wants to feel smart by being the eternal contrarian.
(07-12-2024, 02:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 01:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]When you "solve" problems the solution isn't supposed to make things worse. By your logic, why don't we just bomb Mexico until they stop coming? Wouldn't that get them to stop?
I don't need to destroy Mexico to stop illegal immigration. What would help us though is imprisoning all of the illegals here while we deport them. I don't believe Trump will really do it, he's not nearly as extreme as you UIs want to pretend he is. Just because you want to continue this stupid game of yours doesn't mean the rest of us have to do so. As always you just want to continue arguing for the sake of arguing. At least the rest of us actually believe what we post here, unlike you who just wants to feel smart by being the eternal contrarian.
There are kids that were never reunited with their parents. We don't know what happened to those parents. Do you think that solved something?
(07-12-2024, 04:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 02:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I don't need to destroy Mexico to stop illegal immigration. What would help us though is imprisoning all of the illegals here while we deport them. I don't believe Trump will really do it, he's not nearly as extreme as you UIs want to pretend he is. Just because you want to continue this stupid game of yours doesn't mean the rest of us have to do so. As always you just want to continue arguing for the sake of arguing. At least the rest of us actually believe what we post here, unlike you who just wants to feel smart by being the eternal contrarian.
There are kids that were never reunited with their parents. We don't know what happened to those parents. Do you think that solved something?
Yes, they aren't in our country anymore. Beyond that I don't care.
(07-12-2024, 09:46 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]If they aren't separating every person who jumps our border then they should be. Everyone should be held in solitary until they are identified, validated, adjudicated, and tossed back out of the country. End ALL immigration immediately, capture and kill the Coyotes. Deport EVERY illegal regardless of how long they've been here.
Then we can talk about resuming legal immigration. After that point any illegals that show up immediately get transported to the Canadian border and tossed over there. Time to quit being the World's blank cheque,
Damn straight Skippy! And before Mike comes here and states something about we can’t get Americans to do certain jobs, get the under the table wages off the table and wages will balance out. Couple that with ending free checks for doing nothing and the Americans wanting to dig ditches will astound everyone.
(07-12-2024, 12:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 12:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Fatherhood is universal. It is above nationality. Your statement makes you a bad person. Many of the kids who were split were unable to be reunited.
Your (years' worth of) statement(s) makes me really not care what you think. Its not my problem that they broke into our country, they can sort it out somewhere else. I'm tired of Americans being made to care about and for the rest of the world.
Agreed. Blame the parents for breaking the law hoping the border. Do not blame the law for upholding its part. If they bring their kid here illegally, they are bad fathers and setting bad examples for their kids.
(07-12-2024, 04:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 04:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]There are kids that were never reunited with their parents. We don't know what happened to those parents. Do you think that solved something?
Yes, they aren't in our country anymore. Beyond that I don't care.
But the kids are in our country, in foster care. Creating de facto orphans is worth it to you?
(07-12-2024, 05:02 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 12:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Your (years' worth of) statement(s) makes me really not care what you think. Its not my problem that they broke into our country, they can sort it out somewhere else. I'm tired of Americans being made to care about and for the rest of the world.
Agreed. Blame the parents for breaking the law hoping the border. Do not blame the law for upholding its part. If they bring their kid here illegally, they are bad fathers and setting bad examples for their kids.
We could have sent them back with their kids. Stop setting up false choices.
(07-12-2024, 01:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 01:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]See, again you just lack the intellect to understand. Or you're just willfully the Jungle's door knob; either, or I guess.
Foreign kids being separated from their "parents" because their "parents" jumped the border is not my problem.
Foreigners jumping the border "is" my problem and I want it dealt with in the most extreme manner possible.
We get it man, we know you're a dip [BLEEP], you can stop proving it any time you want.
When you "solve" problems the solution isn't supposed to make things worse. By your logic, why don't we just bomb Mexico until they stop coming? Wouldn't that get them to stop?
We had a policy that dealt with that. It was called “Remain in Mexico”. Sadly you cast your vote for the party that ended that policy. You want to point fingers? Look in the mirror.
(07-12-2024, 05:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 04:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, they aren't in our country anymore. Beyond that I don't care.
But the kids are in our country, in foster care. Creating de facto orphans is worth it to you?
(07-12-2024, 05:02 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. Blame the parents for breaking the law hoping the border. Do not blame the law for upholding its part. If they bring their kid here illegally, they are bad fathers and setting bad examples for their kids.
We could have sent them back with their kids. Stop setting up false choices.
Damn dude, would you quit moving the goal posts? I literally said that what I want is them tossed out (go back to my "If not/Should be" statement), not that they are being tossed out now. Get your [BLEEP] together, you're embarrassing yourself with your nonsensical bleating. And I didn't say they couldn't reunite them, I have no issues with putting them together in cuffs as they toss them back over the border. I'm not saying they should be permanently separated by us, just that they should be while we figure out if they really belong together. Then we can ship them all back out either together or separately depending on what ICE figures out.
When you're attempting to tug at heart strings to affect policy, you're probably a Dem. Bad dudes can entice/force young children to travel with them and coerce them to lie and say that they are "a family". Separating them for a period can allow an investigator to potentially get the truth out of the child. Letting the bad dudes know ahead of time that these coerced children will be separated from them when caught could help end the practice. Sobbing into the nearest camera about "the children" as some Dems did only invites further abuses. They are separated from their family, but are taken care of while in custody. They are not being abused. Some might say a border jumper bringing small children with them through the cover of darkness is abuse.
I don’t know why you guys put yourselves through this. You know exactly how he’ll respond.
(07-12-2024, 07:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 07:29 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]This may sound overly harsh, but why is separating families automatically such a terrible injustice? These people committed a crime just by the act of entering the country (This is where all the liberal heads are buried under a mile of sand). If you take a 3-year-old on a B & E or carjacking, what do you expect the police to do with the child when you're arrested?
It is overly harsh because crossing the border without papers is a civil infraction, not a crime. It's also non violent. So it should not be compared to carjacking or breaking and entering.
(07-12-2024, 07:48 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Mike just makes things up. He is literally a living Billy Madison academic decathlon meme.
Prove it. Provide alternate information.
First, I can understand your opinion. However, I am uncertain whether you have had a friend or loved one robbed and killed by the same people that are just allowed to walk across the border without going thru a screening process. That is the reason any mother or father making the decision to break the law is at fault for what happens not us. People make choices and that is just not a good one if they care about their children as much as you seem to. In fact if a citizen did the same thing Social Service just may show upat your door and remove your children. You may just be charged for endangering...
Second, I do not work for you, nor do you have the ability to assign me work. It is not my duty to provide information to you. It actually is your responsibility when challenged to do this, not mine. I have already pointed you in a few directions already.
(07-12-2024, 06:00 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-12-2024, 07:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It is overly harsh because crossing the border without papers is a civil infraction, not a crime. It's also non violent. So it should not be compared to carjacking or breaking and entering.
Prove it. Provide alternate information.
First, I can understand your opinion. However, I am uncertain whether you have had a friend or loved one robbed and killed by the same people that are just allowed to walk across the border without going thru a screening process. That is the reason any mother or father making the decision to break the law is at fault for what happens not us. People make choices and that is just not a good one if they care about their children as much as you seem to.
Second, I do not work for you, nor do you have the ability to assign me work. It is not my duty to provide information to you. It actually is your responsibility when challenged to do this, not mine. I have already pointed you in a few directions already.
I didn't assign you work, and I wouldn't. I assigned SC1 work because he called me Billy Madison. You are being respectful and making positive contributions to the discussion.